195 replies to this topic

[cw68]

No...this topic is sickening!

No, I wasn't serious...any more than I'm serious when a Catholic priest molests a little boy or girl, he is simply taking aside to instruct for Biblical reasons. I guess it's just a coincidence that most of the children molested by priests were little boys. (sic) How many priest are women???? Logic, it's not just for sane people.

WELL, CONSIDERING THAT WOMEN WEREN'T/STILL AREN'T ALLOWED TO BE HOLD THE SAME POSTS AS MEN THIS IS RIDICULOUS LOGIC.

I don't know the percentage of gay molestations verses straight and it really doesn't matter to a parent, who has had that happen to their kid. But I can guarantee you they are thinking about it NOW! Thanks to all the information and gay parades out there! Gays are REALLY educating us!

AS SOMEONE WHOSE GRANDFATHER WAS A DISGUSTING PEDOPHILE, I AM HORRIFIED THAT YOU EQUAL GAYNESS WITH PEDOPHILIA.

[ducky]

I haven't heard of much sexual molestation from the Lesbian community. Come to think of it, I've never heard of a Lesbian kidnapping a little girl and forcing sexual actions on her.

Have any of you?

I've heard a a few female teachers who had sex with their male students. But feel those male students were just as interested in having THAT happen, as the teacher.

It seems their are more men out there who are more into sexual perversion, across the board, than women.

I fail to see what this has to do with the gay community.

While it is much more rare, females can be just as monstrous as males. You've never heard of Melissa Huckaby? How about Nancy Garrido? In my book, she is just as guilty as her husband.

[cw68]

I fail to see what this has to do with the gay community.

It doesn't have anything to do with the gay community. It has everything to do with someone thinking gays are sick and trying to put them down.

[Barb J]

How did we get so far off topic? Being gay does not equal being a pedophile. Period, end of sentence.

Let's move on....

Barb J

[rpo]

How did we get so far off topic? Being gay does not equal being a pedophile. Period, end of sentence.

Let's move on....

Barb J

I agree, but the problem is someone keeps making that argument over and over.

[The Average Joe]

Still waiting for any supporter of this law to explain how omitting any "adverse" facts about certain groups is a positive and why it should be endorsed.

[Barb J]

My answer is this.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

But yes, let's move on.

Umm Maxine...you do know that Wikipedia is an open site that anyone can update with anything they want. Not a valid resource for references.

Movin on.....

Barb J

I would just like some clarification - is the bill mandating teaching of gay history or mandating that historical contributions by gay people be included (which it should because as I stated before, a contribution is a contribution, history is history)?

I'm a little confused by the tangents this topic has taken.

Barb

[swmr545]

I haven't heard of much sexual molestation from the Lesbian community. Come to think of it, I've never heard of a Lesbian kidnapping a little girl and forcing sexual actions on her.

Have any of you?

I've heard a a few female teachers who had sex with their male students. But feel those male students were just as interested in having THAT happen, as the teacher.

It seems their are more men out there who are more into sexual perversion, across the board, than women.

While I don't think she was a lesbian since pedophilia and homosexuality are different things, Sandra Cantu was sexually assaulted by an object before Melissa Huckaby murdered her.

[swmr545]

I would just like some clarification - is the bill mandating teaching of gay history or mandating that historical contributions by gay people be included (which it should because as I stated before, a contribution is a contribution, history is history)?

I'm a little confused by the tangents this topic has taken.

Barb

The "mandate" is that the CDE will be adopting books that includes the contributions of the LGBT community among a long list of other communities.

It says that in adopting curriculum, governing boards (school board) shall not be allowed to adopt curriculum that portrays said communities in an adverse way (so teachers cannot teach that gays are pedophiles), but they can adopt curriculum that "accurately portrays" said communities.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_48_bill_20110714_chaptered.pdf

The requirements that this bill presents will not be adopted by the state until FY2015-16

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sb_48_cfa_20110628_095510_asm_floor.html
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So, when a school board adopts curriculum, they can get around teaching about the LGBT community by selecting which parts they want to teach about, or they can load the curriculum so much that the teachers don't get to that part of the curriculum (I know that while I was taking US History my sophomore year at FHS we didn't even get to cover the end of WWII since there was just too much stuff in the curriculum and the teacher couldn't get to everything).

[ducky]

While I don't think she was a lesbian since pedophilia and homosexuality are different things, Sandra Cantu was sexually assaulted by an object before Melissa Huckaby murdered her.

Sorry, swmr. I didn't mean I thought those two women were gay, but I could see where you might get that from my ineptly written post. I was trying to point out that doing horrible things to someone of the same sex doesn't equal being gay. Predators come in all shapes and forms.

[ducky]

My answer is this.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

But yes, let's move on.

Why should children be taught about gay history in public schools, when religion can't? I'm just saying.....this is going to open a door for that as well.

Actually, my child did learn about different religions in social studies last year. Religion played a big part in history. Also, as far as I know, being gay is not a religion, and, in my opinion, not a choice like religion is.

[ducky]

Still waiting for any supporter of this law to explain how omitting any "adverse" facts about certain groups is a positive and why it should be endorsed.

I guess my only comment would be that the list you provided before seemed more appropriate to be taught at high school or college level. As you pointed out, there are many imperfect people and groups in history, but I don't think some of those facts are appropriate for younger students.

[swmr545]

Still waiting for any supporter of this law to explain how omitting any "adverse" facts about certain groups is a positive and why it should be endorsed.

Depends on what the definition of adverse is going to be. To me I would find adverse instruction to be "the majority of pedophiles are gay". In my opinion from reading the bill and knowing that existing law already has the stipulation of "no adverse instruction", adverse is being used as a way to prevent biased information from being passed on to students (like the pedophile comment, or saying all Muslims are terrorists, or that all Catholic priests molest boys, etc).

My answer is this.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

But yes, let's move on.

Why should children be taught about gay history in public schools, when religion can't? I'm just saying.....this is going to open a door for that as well.

Since when has religion not been taught? I learned about the history of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Buddhism at FHS my frosh year.