"Whites" get zero credit for voting "to end slavery."Well in the 1770's the founding fathers all voted in a way to keep slavery by giving into the Southern states threat not to join in the original 13 states if slavery was not part of the deal..... The Northern states figured that we would deal with it later....
Later was 1861 and in four years time 360,000 men in blue (mostly white) voted with their lives to end it....
Some 260,000 men in gray voted with their lives not to end it........
So, all kidding aside, the truth is somewhere in the middle as usual......
Chris

Trayvon Martin's Death - and other issues
#91
Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:02 PM
#92
Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:05 PM
No, to your question.
I surely wouldn't want to be Zimmerman.
Nor do I think you would be Zimmerman, Robert.
That guy made so many mistakes it's hard to count.
Regardless of our differences, I think you have more sense than that.
#93
Posted 15 April 2012 - 10:24 PM
Nor do I think you would be Zimmerman, Robert.
That guy made so many mistakes it's hard to count.
Regardless of our differences, I think you have more sense than that.
Thank you, I really don't think we have that many differences. You & I and 99.9% of rest on here all want the same thing in life and a better life for our children!
We are really all in the same boat!
Regarding the Martin shooting, I sense what all of us are struggling with is that its such a waste! Zimmerman may or may NOT be justified in what he did, but either way he isn't innocent!
"Whites" get zero credit for voting "to end slavery."
I thought it was the Republicans?
#94
Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:07 AM
Can you share with us how many times you have been in a street fight with a 17 year old or how many times you have been in a fight for your life having your head slammed onto the concrete? Can you explain the difference?
I always thought when you got into a fight it was a fight for life, but maybe they have different rules now?
I'm sorry but I read your post numerous times and CAN'T see where you answered my YES or No question with a YES or NO answer? If you could be so kind to point out what post number it was, where you answered my question with a YES or NO, I'll go back and reread it?
Its my understanding that when mature adults are trying to have a discussion about issues and one asks a simple question, that generally the other mature adult responds to the question, so the conversation can continue. Its a simple courtesy one extends to the other, its what mature adults do for each other!
If one expects to always be expressing their opinions and never have anyone challenge them, then maybe that person needs some more maturing, before they start playing in the adult section of the sandbox.
Neither a judge, jury, prosecutor, defense attorney or the forensic scientists who will be involved in deciding the actual facts of the case must have a prerequisite as a street fighter; and neither do I. Next you will insist that I can only judge if a shot was good shot made by zimmerman; if I myself have killed someone.
Your assessment that people have to have been a street fighter in order to understand how much force a person's head can withstand against concrete belies your educational prowess. I have a great deal of actual physical and educational knowledge on TBI, concussions, and the effects of such.
Your assertion that i need to grow up before coming out of the kitty box is asinine.
Experiential data creates the ability to extrapolate a good deal of information. Is is based on empirical related research and considered a time honored and acceptable science in finding culpability in actions.
#95
Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:21 AM
That's why surgeons and pilots and heck, even contractors learn by doing under supervision rather than by "book learnin."
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive" -- C.S. Lewis
If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous
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#96
(The Dude)
Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:34 AM
But a person with ACTUAL experience will always be more knowledgeable than one with EXPERIMENTAL knowledge.
That's why surgeons and pilots and heck, even contractors learn by doing under supervision rather than by "book learnin."
well said dude
#97
Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:01 AM
hmmm- you are right, and you are wrong---in this case.But a person with ACTUAL experience will always be more knowledgeable than one with EXPERIMENTAL knowledge.
That's why surgeons and pilots and heck, even contractors learn by doing under supervision rather than by "book learnin."
Experiential not experimental. Experientail knowledge is knowledge gleaned from many sources. It can be medical files of subjects(crime victims, sports, car accidents, work related falls-like a telephone repairman falling off a roof and landing on a concrete sidewalk) or experiments.
My experience in receiving concussions left me with symptoms like pain, knock-out, vomiting, severe headache, fever, periodic blurred/double vision and tunnel vision. And a few other symptoms.
I can tell you that many of my concussions include but are not limited to: blunt force trauma, head banging, strangling, weapon against head, and stationary large metal pole against fast moving head
But that does not really matter. What matters is that through the study of concussions and TBI injuries i can tell you that the story of the person does not match up the actual symptoms that WOULD have happened to this person.
A person who is forcefully having their head banged against concrete multiple times is going to exhibit many of the symptoms you would see in shaken baby syndrome.
A person who has severe brain injury with impact but no penetration does not necesarrily show blood in the ears or nose, etc. They do not necesarily have to lose conciousness right away.
Not losing conciousness is not an indicator of a less traumatic form of injury, btw.
Severe brain trauma can wait between 3 and 14 days to show the full spectrum of injuries. They can include loss of sight, smell, hearing, and talking. It can retard any ability to be cognizant of surroundings, ability to learn. Feel emotions, or just retard certain emotions such as empathy, fear, hurt. A traumatic brain injury can cause anurisms, coma, as well as strokes
But the effects would have shown by then, and he would have needed to be under direct medical care.
Again, Forcefully banging someone's head on a concrete sidewalk multiple times does damage. The damage is severe enough to need medical attention.
Another injury that would have occurred in this person, as his description of the fight, was a whiplash effect to his neck or spine.
The direct savior in him not being dead is that he was not head bashed in the front or side of his head. Though, there is a news story out there right now of a police officer who stopped a woman from trying to escape custody. He tazed her one time, which caused her to fall down. She hit her head on the concrete sidewalk and is in a vegetative state.
I believe that the description of the fight was grossly embellished, and that makes me think that the rest of this persons story is not truthful.
#98
Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:14 AM
Neither a judge, jury, prosecutor, defense attorney or the forensic scientists who will be involved in deciding the actual facts of the case must have a prerequisite as a street fighter; and neither do I. Next you will insist that I can only judge if a shot was good shot made by zimmerman; if I myself have killed someone.
Your assessment that people have to have been a street fighter in order to understand how much force a person's head can withstand against concrete belies your educational prowess. I have a great deal of actual physical and educational knowledge on TBI, concussions, and the effects of such.
Your assertion that i need to grow up before coming out of the kitty box is asinine.
Experiential data creates the ability to extrapolate a good deal of information. Is is based on empirical related research and considered a time honored and acceptable science in finding culpability in actions.
Wow, you are really all over the place with things. Its quite a challenge trying to follow where you are going with things! I sure wish I had your ability to prejudge people like you do!
I never made any assessments of any kind, I only asked another question, which keeping with your tradition you didn't answer. At least you are consistent. ( Hey aren't you the one who called me stubborn, because you wouldn't answer my YES or NO question?)
Lets try this one again, can you tell me the difference between a street fight and a fight for your life? I'm assuming someone with all your educational knowledge should be able to explain the difference you claim exists?
Have you ever heard anything about the terms, "Twisted Thinking" or "Projection"?
#99
Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:16 AM
alright now, those folks who have never been in a fight should listen and observe this post. folks who have been in a fight know the surge of adreniln that comes with the event, and the even larger surge if you think you are getting your butt kicked (like maybe a guy on top of you banging your hear into grass or concrete) in the but kick situation you are not thinking clinically about aspects of brain damage, with grass as opposed to concrete you are probably thinking it hurts and how can I stop it.hmmm- you are right, and you are wrong---in this case.
Experiential not experimental. Experientail knowledge is knowledge gleaned from many sources. It can be medical files of subjects(crime victims, sports, car accidents, work related falls-like a telephone repairman falling off a roof and landing on a concrete sidewalk) or experiments.
My experience in receiving concussions left me with symptoms like pain, knock-out, vomiting, severe headache, fever, periodic blurred/double vision and tunnel vision. And a few other symptoms.
I can tell you that many of my concussions include but are not limited to: blunt force trauma, head banging, strangling, weapon against head, and stationary large metal pole against fast moving head
But that does not really matter. What matters is that through the study of concussions and TBI injuries i can tell you that the story of the person does not match up the actual symptoms that WOULD have happened to this person.
A person who is forcefully having their head banged against concrete multiple times is going to exhibit many of the symptoms you would see in shaken baby syndrome.
A person who has severe brain injury with impact but no penetration does not necesarrily show blood in the ears or nose, etc. They do not necesarily have to lose conciousness right away.
Not losing conciousness is not an indicator of a less traumatic form of injury, btw.
Severe brain trauma can wait between 3 and 14 days to show the full spectrum of injuries. They can include loss of sight, smell, hearing, and talking. It can retard any ability to be cognizant of surroundings, ability to learn. Feel emotions, or just retard certain emotions such as empathy, fear, hurt. A traumatic brain injury can cause anurisms, coma, as well as strokes
But the effects would have shown by then, and he would have needed to be under direct medical care.
Again, Forcefully banging someone's head on a concrete sidewalk multiple times does damage. The damage is severe enough to need medical attention.
Another injury that would have occurred in this person, as his description of the fight, was a whiplash effect to his neck or spine.
The direct savior in him not being dead is that he was not head bashed in the front or side of his head. Though, there is a news story out there right now of a police officer who stopped a woman from trying to escape custody. He tazed her one time, which caused her to fall down. She hit her head on the concrete sidewalk and is in a vegetative state.
I believe that the description of the fight was grossly embellished, and that makes me think that the rest of this persons story is not truthful.
add to the measure of concern to having your butt kicked is the knowledge that you are packing a gun and if the but kicker finds the gun he just might shoot you with it.
its probably critical as the case develops as to who was on top when the gun went off, and if you watch NCIS you know they can put a stick in the old wound and pretty much tell the angle of the shot.
for sure if I was court tv, I would be paying a lot of bucks for the right to cover this trial and I guess if I was super mom I'd be start writing my crime novel
#100
Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:26 AM
Wow, you are really all over the place with things. Its quite a challenge trying to follow where you are going with things! I sure wish I had your ability to prejudge people like you do!
I never made any assessments of any kind, I only asked another question, which keeping with your tradition you didn't answer. At least you are consistent. ( Hey aren't you the one who called me stubborn, because you wouldn't answer my YES or NO question?)
Lets try this one again, can you tell me the difference between a street fight and a fight for your life? I'm assuming someone with all your educational knowledge should be able to explain the difference you claim exists?
Have you ever heard anything about the terms, "Twisted Thinking" or "Projection"?
Stick to the argument.
You claim that people have to have had a concussion in order to understand the defense's cagey lies.
I am telling you that scientific study of concussions outweighs your claim that he could have been able to brush off his injury, roll partially over, shoot his aggressor then stand up.
Don't even talk about me twisting things or projecting. You are definitely projecting a good deal of superiority complex, right now.
The street fighter question is a moot point. I refuse to get into a discussion with you about whether or not I have ever been in a street fight. Get off your high horse and admit to the fact that you just don't want to admit that you hadn't considered my viewpoint first and now you are refusing to admit that my viewpoint has merit.
#101
Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:41 AM
Stick to the argument.
You claim that people have to have had a concussion in order to understand the defense's cagey lies.
I am telling you that scientific study of concussions outweighs your claim that he could have been able to brush off his injury, roll partially over, shoot his aggressor then stand up.
Don't even talk about me twisting things or projecting. You are definitely projecting a good deal of superiority complex, right now.
The street fighter question is a moot point. I refuse to get into a discussion with you about whether or not I have ever been in a street fight. Get off your high horse and admit to the fact that you just don't want to admit that you hadn't considered my viewpoint first and now you are refusing to admit that my viewpoint has merit.
I'm sincerely sorry to have found out about all the concussions you've been through. I had no idea! I'm going to respectfully bow out of this discussion with you and try to avoid future discussions like this with you.
#102
(MaxineR)
Posted 16 April 2012 - 01:36 PM
I'm sincerely sorry to have found out about all the concussions you've been through. I had no idea! I'm going to respectfully bow out of this discussion with you and try to avoid future discussions like this with you.
Sometimes it’s just better to walk away.
Many quotes about this sort of thing come to mind, but I’ll mind my manners and not write them here.
#103
Posted 16 April 2012 - 04:29 PM
I am just reserving judgement until all the EVIDENCE is presented at trial. Then I will made a decision on what I believe.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive" -- C.S. Lewis
If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous
"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one" — Thomas Paine, 𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 (1776)
#104
Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:30 PM
Neither a judge, jury, prosecutor, defense attorney or the forensic scientists who will be involved in deciding the actual facts of the case must have a prerequisite as a street fighter; and neither do I. Next you will insist that I can only judge if a shot was good shot made by zimmerman; if I myself have killed someone.
Your assessment that people have to have been a street fighter in order to understand how much force a person's head can withstand against concrete belies your educational prowess. I have a great deal of actual physical and educational knowledge on TBI, concussions, and the effects of such.
Your assertion that i need to grow up before coming out of the kitty box is asinine.
Experiential data creates the ability to extrapolate a good deal of information. Is is based on empirical related research and considered a time honored and acceptable science in finding culpability in actions.
wth is wrong with you????
#105
Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:44 PM
Dude!!! you need to pass the bowl!wth is wrong with you????
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