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#91 Pool Runner

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:25 PM


Huh? Was it one of the kids that brought guns into the school? TSA is a joke and having them protect the schools doesn't make any sense.

Train and arm each principal or other designate at every school. At least they'll have a fighting chance with control.


I'm not exactly saying TSA, but you get the idea. No it won't completely stop a determind criminal but it would greatly slow there actions to the point the authorities would be able to react sooner. I mean a weapon detected 100 yards sooner at a check point with metal detection and X-ray etc..would substantially delay catostrophic disaster.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:31 PM

I do not want my children living in a police state. I will take them out of a school that cannot tell me they feel my child is safe- without bars and checkpoints, guns and metal detectors.

As for Sandy Hook, the principal there had just previously completed a study of her school which apparently included a a rigorous security check. She had her staff do many drills for lockdowns and response to campus threats.

The custodian of the school was running down the hallway screaming gunman on campus, while the office was getting shot up. It was the staff in the office that turned on the PA system so that the entire school was alerted to the terror. It was the principal herself who was the first person to directly confront the gunman to try to slow or stop his massacre. 3 brave souls who stood up and defended a school. countless others who shielded children with their own bodies.

But 20 children died anyway.

Im sorry but you cant blame this on the gun or the bullet or the capacity of the magazine (which is more liberal than California).

This horrific carnage was the entire fault of a man bent on killing. You can call it determination, you can call it mental illness, you can call personality disorder, you can call it maternal conflict disorder..... But the fact is, that man did something so reprehensible that it is not something that can be prepared for or anticipated.
I think a lot can be learned from this though. Like why doesn't the office and every classroom have a panic button? Those heavy doors with glass windows are meant to stop irate parents. Why wasnt it reinforced with wire? If you do fence in a school (like central california and southern ca schools, then you need to have primary, secondary and tertiary zones of access controlled by status for parent, student guest, contractor and staff. In addition, the classroom should lock. One of the teachers said the classroom they went into, would not lock because it was during normal school day. So the access point became a liability during a lockdown. Those children had been in a room they only go to once a week (music)...so that drill was apparently overlooked.

I could go on...like but the point is that only prevention will stop a gunman. He has already started his own role in this. As far as mental health... I completely agree that mental health in the US needs to be overhauled. I also agree that AFTER mental health has been overhauled, then there should be a way to classify persons who's right to bear arms can be temporarily suspended, or intermediate duration of suspensions, or even revocation due to mental defect.

And one more thing: those laws will never be useful as long as killers like the virginia tech or sand hook killers can walk into a gun shop and buy (because they seem sane) or get access to another persons firearms.

And finally, if a nut wants to kill a make a mass heap of bodies, there are ways to do so without guns. Poison, bombs, airplane jackings, or even combinations involving bombs or poisons with vehicles. These are the new mass killings you see in countries. Frankly, the US is sort of behind the times on that (gruesome irony), like Israel. So why isn't israel or france on the list of highest killings in the world using guns? Because they have moved on to bigger -flashier weapons that kill more initial people standing by.
Honestly if we did a better job of taking care of our people, maybe they wouldnt resort to killing.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:36 PM

I absolutely, completely disagree. No surprise there.

Keep your guns out of the schools. I do not want my kids around guns. Period. And the type of gun does make a difference.


You can wish it away and deny all you want........ Your thoughts above meant nothing to the perp in CT and will not mean a hill of beans to the next perp to do this type of carnage. He did what he did because there was no one there to stop him with lethal force and he knew it. Your gun laws, you on the left, do not allow guns on any campus. Have you ever stopped to think that the very laws you on the left enabled this to happen....? Virginian tech and now this.......... He would have thought twice if he knew free citizens could carry, and protect your children and mine...... Problem for him would be to guess who was packing on the staff, the janitor, the vice principal, the meek third grade teacher down the hall..........? Your logic and opinion is very PC but very flawed. And I really don't think you know anything about types of guns, only what MSNBC tells you to think about them. The evil black rifle is no match for my 1941 M1 Garand in skilled and experienced hands........... Chris

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:25 PM

To support Chris' post, remember that the Portland Mall killer was stopped by a legal gun carrying citizen.

And keep in mind that CCW used his CCW and security guard training to draw the weapon but did not fire because he was concerned he could hit an innocent bystander which is not acceptible to him. However either his chambering a round or drawing the weapon made the bad guy end the shooting as he took his own life. So, this is a big point -- CCW isnt the anti gun folks stereotype of a wanna be miltia maverick that is ready to shoot up a place in self defense but an intelligent individual, who took the CCW training and then took the responsibility to protect himself and his family. He is also someone that used the training to determine to NOT cause more to be harmed. CCW in this case and the elderly gentleman in the bar video to defend themselves as expected.

As to Priscilla's question if my son were killed by an assault rifle or any other weapon (i.e. baseball bat which is used in more violent crimes than guns), no i would not be demanding more gun laws. I would consider if changes need to be made such that we secure them better, that we minimize the chance that mentally unstable people do not have access to them (there are laws for this now but could be enhanced) HOWEVER the assault rifle (AR-15, AK-47, shotgun, .270 deer rifle, M-1 Garand, M-1 Carbine) are fine. they are inanimate objects. We need to help those with mental issues or struggling issues and better educate everyone on gun safety.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 05:52 AM

I like the idea of a panic button in all classrooms and other key areas. But unless you are concerned with students bringing in the weapons, no checkpoint or metal detector, fences, etc. will work. My kids are in middle school, and when you think about all 1200 kids having to cross campus during passing period to get to the MP room from the main building or from the PE locker room to their next class across campus, all any nut job would have to do is wait for passing period. In elementary, just wait for recess.....what then? Have kids go to one building at the beginning of school and not see the light of day until they are dismissed? Impossible and terrible! Where there is a will, a crazy smart person, the determination, sorry to say, there is a way.......... And I don't want to stop going to movie theaters, the mall, or wherever because of the people who choose to do these evil deeds.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:32 AM

How do you legislate common sense? I don't have a problem with banning weapons from homes where a person with mental illness lives. I'm not sure trigger locks would have stopped Adam Lanza. He was apparently very intelligent, even attended university at age 16.

I haven't read the whole thing, but this looks interesting:
'I Am Adam Lanza's Mother': A Mom's Perspective On The Mental Illness Conversation In America

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:21 AM

I do not see why anyone needs an assult rifle period. (exceptions: military, police, etc)

A simi automatic rifle (10 round clip) for hunting and target practice (fine)

Pistols and Revolvers, again OK to have as long as they are registered and your are not MENTAL.

Years ago I carried and had a concealed weapons permit from the state of Michigan.

If someone had been carrying, and was qualified, at the school they might have gotten this dude early on.

I say limit the assult rifles.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:31 AM

I still don't buy the arguement that the capacity of the magazines he had didn't make a difference. Taped together 2 30's would be 60. Have three or four set ups like that, you're talking lots of rounds as quickly as you can pull the trigger. If he only had 10 rounds, or fewer than that, there is absolutely no arguement it would have taken him longer to do the shooting, thus giving each teacher a few more precious seconds in either barricading their doors/windows, hiding their kids, running, etc.

The military went from the 20 capacity to the 30 during Vietnam. Why? Because the boots were going through magazines too quickly and were always reloading. They tried out the 50 capacity but there were too many malfunctions with the poorly designed feeder spring. Assault rifles are just that....for assaulting an enemy position. Lots of rounds down range to either suppress or kill that what you're moving on. Superior fire power.

I'm all for the 2nd amendment. I'm all for defense against tyranny. I'm also all for expanded mental health treatment, but the dollar only goes so far. Everyone on here okay paying another few $$$ every month in taxes to expand the mental health care system? The money has to come from somewhere. I sure am. Heck yes If it could stop only one more of these types of tragedies, sign me up today. I'll write the first check.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:08 AM

I'm all for the 2nd amendment. I'm all for defense against tyranny. I'm also all for expanded mental health treatment, but the dollar only goes so far. Everyone on here okay paying another few $$$ every month in taxes to expand the mental health care system? The money has to come from somewhere. I sure am. Heck yes If it could stop only one more of these types of tragedies, sign me up today. I'll write the first check.


Great post dude. I normally hate new taxes, but this is something very sorely needed in this country, sign me up, I'll write the second check.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:35 AM

The piece of s--- shooter may have been intelligent but his mother wasn't.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:42 AM

Arming school staff is the most assinine suggestion I have heard so far. If the President had suggested increases in mental health funding last Thursday he would have been criticized for wanting to fund more entitlement programs and labeled as a tax and spend liberal.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 12:44 PM

I do not see why anyone needs an assult rifle period. (exceptions: military, police, etc)

A simi automatic rifle (10 round clip) for hunting and target practice (fine)

Pistols and Revolvers, again OK to have as long as they are registered and your are not MENTAL.

Years ago I carried and had a concealed weapons permit from the state of Michigan.

If someone had been carrying, and was qualified, at the school they might have gotten this dude early on.

I say limit the assult rifles.


Your above definition suggest an acceptible hunting and target practice rifle can be a normal semi-auto, 10 rd magazine rifle.
Please clarify and describe exactly what is an "assault weapon" that civilians shouldnt have.

Is it because it is black or tan? Is it because the stock can be adjusted? Is it because it shoots 5.56/.223 caliber ammo? Is it because you can add a scope? Is it because it has a detachable magazine?

keep in mind a "normal" wood or composite stock hunting rifle may have many if not most fo the characteristics above. Keep in mind most "assault weapons" like an an AR-15 type rifle in sold in CA in the last several years does not have a detachable magazine (you have to use a tool to drop a magazine vs. military/LEO models where they can hit the detach button with their index finger, drop, grab and insert and go which is critical for military/LEO and competition but a valid concern if someone with evil intentions.

Arming school staff is the most assinine suggestion I have heard so far. If the President had suggested increases in mental health funding last Thursday he would have been criticized for wanting to fund more entitlement programs and labeled as a tax and spend liberal.


I heard the DHS looked into this however found it would cost several billion a year to have armed guards at school plus the increased cost in insurance

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 12:49 PM

The piece of s--- shooter may have been intelligent but his mother wasn't.

The more I'm hearing about the family situation, the more your statement rings true. The mother's stupidity cost her her life. Unfortunately, it cost the lives of 26 innocent individuals too.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:12 PM

The mother's stupidity?

The guy was not diganosed correctly. Or.. he his conditions change (not unheard of), or... certain persnality defects were masked by a stronger and more prominent problem.

The guy was diagnosed with aspbergers. He had no former violent episodes with other people, or known diabolical problem with young children until this all happened.

Aspbergers is not connected with vilolence.

As far as a lot of stuff hasnt come out, I dont think many of us can blame the mother. or the school, or the guns or the bullets for this carnage. We need a better picture.

Further... I would like to point out one very--very, very important fact to all those people who are making terrible judgmental comments about a woman's parenting and culpability in the massacre.

Adam was an adult. She had no legal rights to contain him. And none of us knows what happened every day behind the closed doors of that home in a neighborhood where they say that family of two was very secluded and never spoke to neighbors.

So before blaming mommy, lets wait until a more comprehensive story comes out.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

I do not see why anyone needs an assult rifle period. (exceptions: military, police, etc)

A simi automatic rifle (10 round clip) for hunting and target practice (fine)

Pistols and Revolvers, again OK to have as long as they are registered and your are not MENTAL.

Years ago I carried and had a concealed weapons permit from the state of Michigan.

If someone had been carrying, and was qualified, at the school they might have gotten this dude early on.

I say limit the assult rifles.


absolutely at no time did Adam Lanza use an automatic weapon to commit his terrible deeds. Furthermore... the laws absolutely did not at any time, keep him from committing his terrible deeds.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/16/Reality-Check-Connecticut-Shooter-Did-Not-Use-Automatic-Weapons





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