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[4thgenFolsomite]

Handleys has to be okay!  they are the only ones that sell rattlesnake eggs in Folsom!

[supermom]

When coming home from work yesterday, I stopped at the IHOP and ate. Halfway through a meal in an empty diner, here comes two teenagers. Both drunk. Very loud. They took turns in the bathroom and each were in there for a long time. I actually thought they were going to try to scam the restaurant lady from paying their meal. Finally my meal was over and I went out. They had parked their car right next to mine in an empty parking lot. Vomit all over my rear tire and wheel.

 

Sigh.

 

on the way home I drove past Handley's and saw the green street sign pole lying on the ground twisted.

 

This morning I was coming home from work and called 911 because of a crazy driver.  Weaving all over the freeway. 50 Eastbound at Zinfandel. They hung up on me. Bad connection. I called back and the lady said she couldn't hear me. Then the phone went dead. I can only hope that the driver gets to a safe destination and gets out of their car without having hurt anyone.

 

I'm so tired of the same excuses for drinking and driving. So stupid. So preventable. 

[4thgenFolsomite]

I was recently behind two ladies (this was like 3 or 4 in the afternoon) in line at the checkout stand at Raleys.  They were both clearly drunk (reeking of alcohol, talking loudly on their cell phone about partying, etc.) and in no state to drive.  After they left, I debated calling the Folsom PD to let them know, but I didn't.  Are people drinking more than they used to?  I can't tell.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

I was recently behind two ladies (this was like 3 or 4 in the afternoon) in line at the checkout stand at Raleys.  They were both clearly drunk (reeking of alcohol, talking loudly on their cell phone about partying, etc.) and in no state to drive.  After they left, I debated calling the Folsom PD to let them know, but I didn't.  Are people drinking more than they used to?  I can't tell.

I would have followed them out to verify if they were getting behind the wheel of a car (maybe they had a ride). If one of them was driving I'd get a description of the car and the license plate and by all means I'd call the police. The call just might save a life.

[4thgenFolsomite]

I would have followed them out to verify if they were getting behind the wheel of a car (maybe they had a ride). If one of them was driving I'd get a description of the car and the license plate and by all means I'd call the police. The call just might save a life.

Thanks, Deb.  I did watch them get into a car and drive themselves away.  I just felt weird about being "that person," since getting a DUI is a major deal and it didn't sound like they were driving far.  In fact, I think they were buying cigarettes and booze to go meet friends and continue partying.  But next time, I will call FPD.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

Thanks, Deb.  I did watch them get into a car and drive themselves away.  I just felt weird about being "that person," since getting a DUI is a major deal and it didn't sound like they were driving far.  In fact, I think they were buying cigarettes and booze to go meet friends and continue partying.  But next time, I will call FPD.

I know it can be hard to make the call, but the distance they drive shouldn't be a factor. They could run someone over backing out of that parking spot or have an accident anywhere along the way on a very short drive. I'd rather be "that person" who alerted police (it's on THE DRIVER if she gets a DUI, not me) than to be "that person" who saw a drunk person get behind the wheel, not do anything, and find out later, with remorse and regret, that that person killed a child.

[Rich_T]

This is an interesting thread.  It started out with new developments in Folsom, had a long section about Sutter St., including the bar scene, with recent comments about drunk driving and ADA requirements.

 

My take on Sutter St. is that it's "too far away", as ridiculous as that sounds.  It's out of the mainstream focus.  Most of the population now has its own entertainment and shopping center, namely Palladio, which is central to most residents.  Many restaurants are on or near the East Bidwell corridor.  I would guess that for most households, Sutter St. merits only a rare visit, to take advantage of the "charm", and that it's more about strolling than shopping.  The exceptions are the infrequent events, such as the Christmas tree lighting.  But I expect that most people who visit Sutter St. on a regular basis are the (mostly younger) bar and club patrons who come at night.  Sure, there are also other "regulars", but not enough to make Sutter St. vibrant during the day.

[4thgenFolsomite]

This is an interesting thread.  It started out with new developments in Folsom, had a long section about Sutter St., including the bar scene, with recent comments about drunk driving and ADA requirements.

 

My take on Sutter St. is that it's "too far away", as ridiculous as that sounds.  It's out of the mainstream focus.  Most of the population now has its own entertainment and shopping center, namely Palladio, which is central to most residents.  Many restaurants are on or near the East Bidwell corridor.  I would guess that for most households, Sutter St. merits only a rare visit, to take advantage of the "charm", and that it's more about strolling than shopping.  The exceptions are the infrequent events, such as the Christmas tree lighting.  But I expect that most people who visit Sutter St. on a regular basis are the (mostly younger) bar and club patrons who come at night.  Sure, there are also other "regulars", but not enough to make Sutter St. vibrant during the day.

 

as it stands right now, I would say you are right.  however,  Sutter Street has a wider variety of interesting stores (unique, owner occupied, non-corporate) in a condensed area.  In one block one on side of the street you could visit 10 different stores and see things you couldn't find any where else.  If you want to compare this with Palladio, you would probably only see two or three stores in a similar number of footsteps.  the newer commercial building design includes stores that are much much bigger, so you have to walk more.  That's fine for young people shopping for fashions, but others may not want to walk that much to get some real shopping done.  So in that case Sutter Street has the advantage....more things to see per footstep, sort of.  Daytime shoppers tend to be women looking for home décor, gifts, fashions, etc.  Sutter Street has that, but it could have much much more.  There is space for it.  Sutter Street also has more unique shops, like Pacific Western Traders, Not Too Shabby, Katrina's, Melange, Betty's House of Turquoise, Emily's.  Well, actually, everything down there is pretty unique. 

 

I think most people just don't think of it as a shopping destination.  I had a meeting down there the other day and stopped into Betty's House for a second, just to check it out.  I could not believe the amazing southwest American Indian jewelry!  Amazing selection!  I walked out of there with a sterling silver and turquoise barrette for a  gift and a pair of Minnetonka sandals.  Mind you, this was after I have been scouring DSW and every other shoe place in Folsom looking for something comfortable and attractive.  There they were!  I didn't even notice them until the store owner said that they were one of his most popular items.  And I love them!  I wore them to Calistoga this past weekend and saw someone else wearing them, obviously someone with good taste!  . 

 

I think Sutter Street could be like Calistoga's main street.  Lots of awesome shops and a similar sort of old main street layout (as opposed to big box).

[Rich_T]

 

as it stands right now, I would say you are right.  however,  Sutter Street has a wider variety of interesting stores (unique, owner occupied, non-corporate) in a condensed area.  In one block one on side of the street you could visit 10 different stores and see things you couldn't find any where else.  If you want to compare this with Palladio, you would probably only see two or three stores in a similar number of footsteps.  the newer commercial building design includes stores that are much much bigger, so you have to walk more.  That's fine for young people shopping for fashions, but others may not want to walk that much to get some real shopping done.  So in that case Sutter Street has the advantage....more things to see per footstep, sort of.  Daytime shoppers tend to be women looking for home décor, gifts, fashions, etc.  Sutter Street has that, but it could have much much more.  There is space for it.  Sutter Street also has more unique shops, like Pacific Western Traders, Not Too Shabby, Katrina's, Melange, Betty's House of Turquoise, Emily's.  Well, actually, everything down there is pretty unique. 

 

I think most people just don't think of it as a shopping destination.  I had a meeting down there the other day and stopped into Betty's House for a second, just to check it out.  I could not believe the amazing southwest American Indian jewelry!  Amazing selection!  I walked out of there with a sterling silver and turquoise barrette for a  gift and a pair of Minnetonka sandals.  Mind you, this was after I have been scouring DSW and every other shoe place in Folsom looking for something comfortable and attractive.  There they were!  I didn't even notice them until the store owner said that they were one of his most popular items.  And I love them!  I wore them to Calistoga this past weekend and saw someone else wearing them, obviously someone with good taste!  . 

 

I think Sutter Street could be like Calistoga's main street.  Lots of awesome shops and a similar sort of old main street layout (as opposed to big box).

 

I just don't know how many people are into shopping for that type of "unique" stuff on a regular basis.

[4thgenFolsomite]

The Folsom Telegraph reports that the Lake Forest Café is closing due to an ADA lawsuit.

[Rich_T]

The Folsom Telegraph reports that the Lake Forest Café is closing due to an ADA lawsuit.

 

My wife just told me about it.  Sounds like the same guy.  Apparently he remains as brazen as ever, so far with no repercussions to him.  He found a gold mine with the lawsuits, like an ambulance chaser.  If the cafe closes, no one, disabled or not, will be able to visit the cafe.

OTOH, I'm not sure I understand the whole "closing because of a lawsuit" explanation.  Don't they get three months to comply?  Is it just too expensive to comply, or is there something else going on?

[Steve Heard]

 

My wife just told me about it.  Sounds like the same guy.  Apparently he remains as brazen as ever, so far with no repercussions to him.  He found a gold mine with the lawsuits, like an ambulance chaser.  If the cafe closes, no one, disabled or not, will be able to visit the cafe.

OTOH, I'm not sure I understand the whole "closing because of a lawsuit" explanation.  Don't they get three months to comply?  Is it just too expensive to comply, or is there something else going on?

For many of these targeted businesses, the cost of compliance is outrageos. 

 

I recall a restaurant owner in the Bay Area shut down because he'd have to install ramps, widen his doors, lower his counter, widen the bathroom door and the bathroom itself, and install hand rails. He couldn't afford it.

 

Many times, these suits are just shakedowns. The plaintiff will drop the suit for a handsome fee. 

[Rich_T]

 

Many times, these suits are just shakedowns. The plaintiff will drop the suit for a handsome fee. 

 

I can believe it.

[The Average Joe]

Many times, these suits are just shakedowns. The plaintiff will drop the suit for a handsome fee. 

 

 

Exactly. There are many businesses that are just barely making it, and the costs associated with compliance can be tremendous. The extortion of the owners can also be quite expensive. These scumbags going around closing businesses in the name of the ADA are a cancer that is further killing the already anemic business climate in this state.

The law itself is often ridiculous and expensive as well. For example, I remember building a mixing room for a spice company some years ago. The company was mixing 50 gallon drums of spice at a time. It was a requirement of the job to be able to move those barrels. There was no public access to the restroom. HOWEVER, because we were adding improvements, we had to also bring the bathroom into ADA compliance. That required a complete tear down and expansion of the bathroom itself, despite the fact that no one in a wheelchair would EVER use said bathroom. It was a considerable expense to the owner, and completely unnecessary.

[ducky]

Mods,  this subject of the Lake Natoma Waterfront & Trail Access project probably merits its own thread.  What do you think about splitting it off?