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Posted 22 August 2014 - 10:38 AM

Folsom Chamber has a board of directors (a large one) with business representatives from throughout the City.  They have a right to vote to support candidates, and they do not have to answer to non-members about their processes nor decisions.  The BizPac can only take action on board votes.  You may or may not like it, but they can follow their own processes as their bylaws allow and to which their directors assent.

 

If you're unsuccessful getting on the council and want to change things at the Chamber, the best thing to do is become a member and run for election as a director.


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Posted 22 August 2014 - 11:41 AM

So, what I'm getting is that the Chamber of Commerce has its own agenda, to further its own interests, which are not necessarily in the best interests of the residents of Folsom. They also don't like to be questioned about it. I understand that it's their right to do, but people should be looking at their endorsements accordingly.



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Posted 22 August 2014 - 12:51 PM

[quote name="Deanna H" post="475655" timestamp="1408736513"]

So, what I'm getting is that the Chamber of Commerce has its own agenda, to further its own interests, which are not necessarily in the best interests of the residents of Folsom. They also don't like to be questioned about it. I understand that it's their right to do, but people should be looking at their endorsements accordingly.[/quote

I never questioned their endorsements, just asked if they talked to all of the candidates and how they determined they were the best without interviewing everyone. Member or not, an answer wouldn't have been that hard.

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:05 PM

 

 

Thanks for this post and 1000 points to Jennifer Lane.

 

Why the heck did the rest of the commission vote yes? Were they told too (influenced) by order of a city council member?

 

Very smart vote by Jennifer Lane.

 

It is not easy to stand up against a retaliatory or corrupt enterprise's action.

 

Thanks for posting this, so we can decide which candidates are not ringers.



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Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:12 PM

[quote name="Deanna H" post="475655" timestamp="1408736513"]

So, what I'm getting is that the Chamber of Commerce has its own agenda, to further its own interests, which are not necessarily in the best interests of the residents of Folsom. They also don't like to be questioned about it. I understand that it's their right to do, but people should be looking at their endorsements accordingly.[/quote

I never questioned their endorsements, just asked if they talked to all of the candidates and how they determined they were the best without interviewing everyone. Member or not, an answer wouldn't have been that hard.

 

Exactly. The fact that they wouldn't answer, deleted the questions, then the whole thread, speaks volumes. 



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Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:21 PM

Folsom Chamber has a board of directors (a large one) with business representatives from throughout the City.  They have a right to vote to support candidates, and they do not have to answer to non-members about their processes nor decisions.  The BizPac can only take action on board votes.  You may or may not like it, but they can follow their own processes as their bylaws allow and to which their directors assent.
 
If you're unsuccessful getting on the council and want to change things at the Chamber, the best thing to do is become a member and run for election as a director.


So you are saying it's ok to bribe elected officials to get special favors and free or deeply discounted public properties? Just deal with it because whoever has the most money makes the rules right?

We need a kickstarter like fund raiser for the new people running who care about the future well being of the city to even out the playing field. Plus we need to get the word out more about this bogus bribery sham that continues with this good ol boys club.

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:32 PM

So you are saying it's ok to bribe elected officials to get special favors and free or deeply discounted public properties? Just deal with it because whoever has the most money makes the rules right?

We need a kickstarter like fund raiser for the new people running who care about the future well being of the city to even out the playing field. Plus we need to get the word out more about this bogus bribery sham that continues with this good ol boys club.

kickstarter, wow, cool idea!


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Posted 22 August 2014 - 10:28 PM

I attended the Planning Commission meeting where the City of Folsom contract to provide water for development S of 50 was discussed and voted on by the Commissioners.  Planning Commissioner Jenifer Lane was the ONLY Planning Commissioner that voted NO saying that as we are in a state wide drought, why would the City want to add thousands of new homes and contract to the provide water when we (residents) are being asked to conserve water.


First, I am very happy that Jennifer at least spoke up. But please rewatch the video.

http://folsom.granic...=6&clip_id=1216

Her remarks had nothing to do with the fact the City is stealing our water and turning their back on their “beloved” Measure W that they love throwing in our face and say we “voted to approve” development south of 50.

Her only point was that during this time of drought, they should not vote to approve additional development. Point well made, and appreciated. However, not near far enough. I was left with the feeling that if we were not in a drought she would not of spoken up at all, just given her rubber vote of approval like the four yahoos beside her on the Commission.

I will add that this did show some character. She knew very well it was a pointless comment. The other four completely ignored her with comment or rebuttal.

Former Mayer Holderness/current land speculators lawyer, provided his typical shell game type of response – talk with authority but offer no real content at all.
Had she said one word about Measure W and stealing our water, I would claw my way to the front of the line to support her. But after years of observing new candidates come and go, with some leaving a very bad taste that they were a plant to split the votes going to new comers, I, as we all should be, am very cautious about getting our hopes up over a single event.

ALL current Council members heavily endorse developing south of 50 at any cost to you and me, the current residents. In terms of money, additional smog, traffic congestion, and water supply to name a few. Ernie Sheldon is no different; he has voted lock step with the other liars (comment made on fact, not opinion). Ernie appointed a close friend of his, Jennifer, to the Commission, so I can’t help being skeptical.

That being said, she is still a far better choice than any of the three incumbents. The belabored point I am getting at, is that we have an amazing opportunity to win back our City, slow down development south of 50 by reversing the water theft by vote of a new council majority or by legal action.
My concern is, would Jennifer vote contrary to Ernie?

Roger and Chad are solid. But again, without a slate, and being opposed by a war chest that will surly easily clear $100 thousand, neither stand a chance alone. I highly encourage them to pool resources, contacts, name recognition, etc. We need 100% of voters that vote for Roger to also vote for Chad and vice versa.

To complete this, they need to bring in a third, so that they will have the combined support that will be generated by all three. I trust Sandra, who has been outspoken and active in this City for over 20 years, but this is obviously a decision to be made by Chad and Roger. My support will be 100% behind which ever trio results. But please, if it is Jenifer, vet her thoroughly first. Is she willing to go on record to stop the theft of our water? Is she willing to go on record to put the brakes on south of 50, and give residents a real say in our future?

Fundraising via a Kickstart like method is a good idea, but still unlikely to bring in anywhere near the dollars raised by the incumbents. However, that combined with social media and getting a few primary messages out that will attract the print media (Bee since the Telegraph is Chamber controlled), may stand a good chance.



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Posted 23 August 2014 - 10:26 AM

My concern is, would Jennifer vote contrary to Ernie?

Roger and Chad are solid. But again, without a slate, and being opposed by a war chest that will surly easily clear $100 thousand, neither stand a chance alone. I highly encourage them to pool resources, contacts, name recognition, etc. We need 100% of voters that vote for Roger to also vote for Chad and vice versa.

To complete this, they need to bring in a third, so that they will have the combined support that will be generated by all three. I trust Sandra, who has been outspoken and active in this City for over 20 years, but this is obviously a decision to be made by Chad and Roger. My support will be 100% behind which ever trio results. But please, if it is Jenifer, vet her thoroughly first. Is she willing to go on record to stop the theft of our water? Is she willing to go on record to put the brakes on south of 50, and give residents a real say in our future?

 

 

 

Phoenix,

 

Am I correct, you think Roger, Chad, and Sandra are OK with you?

 

FYI, you-know-who decided the current Telegraph Editor was too dangerous  (thinks FPA and Bernau HD projects).   Don Chaddock was "given the talk."   He's resigned.   He was advocate for residents.

 

Bee has had close ties to south of 50 owner, but may have to re-evaluate because of the water theft.   FYI, the current city drought water-right is 17,000 AF per year.    Brown & Caldwell Tech Memo says FPA must have START-UP allotment of American River water of 22,000 AF.   

 

FYI  city sewer system is under investigation by state board.   Lead engineer is Matthew Buffleben, (BS Mechanical eng.).   Look at the water-theft topic and see how Tony wants to interfere with the SWRCB investigation by pressuring me for sworn evidence.



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Posted 23 August 2014 - 10:47 AM


FYI, you-know-who decided the current Telegraph Editor was too dangerous (thinks FPA and Bernau HD projects). Don Chaddock was "given the talk." He's resigned. He was advocate for residents.

Do you have proof of this? Don Chaddock called me last week and told me that he had taken a job doing internal communications for the Department of Corrections. He sounded excited.

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 11:57 AM

maestro,

 

Your above posts seem to mix two different issues. I am not sure if you intended them to be related.

 

1. Regarding the above candidates, yes I believe they are beyond just OK. Just OK would apply to any warm body with an once of ethics, which the current Council is void of. These three come with a history of involvement in city issues and have shown a steady level of commitment to speaking out in support of resident interests.

 

As I noted before, I am not against Jennifer, just extremely leery due to her ties with the Planning Commission and current council member Sheldon.

Please let us know if you have concerns with any of the non-incumbent candidates.

 

Regarding Don's departure, I was not too surprised since the Telegraph has never retained an editor for too long. In the past, I have been told directly by former editors, that under the threat that the Chamber would have members pull advertisement from the paper, that they could not push stories that were beyond the Chambers approval. That is, truthful, factual articles regarding the City's lies regarding development south of 50.

 

Was he "forced" out, or just tired of working on a Chamber of Commerce rag devoid of any real City news.

 

You will have to show us how he was "dangerous". It is hard to recall many article or letters to the editor that the chamber would not have endorsed over the past years since Don became editor. Not blaming him, as his concern was keeping the paper afloat with advertising revenue.



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Posted 23 August 2014 - 02:03 PM

First, I am very happy that Jennifer at least spoke up. But please rewatch the video.

http://folsom.granic...=6&clip_id=1216

Her remarks had nothing to do with the fact the City is stealing our water and turning their back on their “beloved” Measure W that they love throwing in our face and say we “voted to approve” development south of 50.

Her only point was that during this time of draught, they should not vote to approve additional development. Point well made, and appreciated. However, not near far enough. I was left with the feeling that if we were not in a draught she would not of spoken up at all, just given her rubber vote of approval like the four yahoos beside her on the Commission.

I will add that this did show some character. She knew very well it was a pointless comment. The other four completely ignored her with comment or rebuttal.

Former Mayer Holderness/current land speculators lawyer, provided his typical shell game type of response – talk with authority but offer no real content at all.
Had she said one word about Measure W and stealing our water, I would claw my way to the front of the line to support her. But after years of observing new candidates come and go, with some leaving a very bad taste that they were a plant to split the votes going to new comers, I, as we all should be, am very cautious about getting our hopes up over a single event.

ALL current Council members heavily endorse developing south of 50 at any cost to you and me, the current residents. In terms of money, additional smog, traffic congestion, and water supply to name a few. Ernie Sheldon is no different; he has voted lock step with the other liars (comment made on fact, not opinion). Ernie appointed a close friend of his, Jennifer, to the Commission, so I can’t help being skeptical.

That being said, she is still a far better choice than any of the three incumbents. The belabored point I am getting at, is that we have an amazing opportunity to win back our City, slow down development south of 50 by reversing the water theft by vote of a new council majority or by legal action.
My concern is, would Jennifer vote contrary to Ernie?

Roger and Chad are solid. But again, without a slate, and being opposed by a war chest that will surly easily clear $100 thousand, neither stand a chance alone. I highly encourage them to pool resources, contacts, name recognition, etc. We need 100% of voters that vote for Roger to also vote for Chad and vice versa.

To complete this, they need to bring in a third, so that they will have the combined support that will be generated by all three. I trust Sandra, who has been outspoken and active in this City for over 20 years, but this is obviously a decision to be made by Chad and Roger. My support will be 100% behind which ever trio results. But please, if it is Jenifer, vet her thoroughly first. Is she willing to go on record to stop the theft of our water? Is she willing to go on record to put the brakes on south of 50, and give residents a real say in our future?

Fundraising via a Kickstart like method is a good idea, but still unlikely to bring in anywhere near the dollars raised by the incumbents. However, that combined with social media and getting a few primary messages out that will attract the print media (Bee since the Telegraph is Chamber controlled), may stand a good chance.

The Planning Commission date was May 7th, 2014  for the developers (13) agreement.  Look at those minutes and ask the City Clerk for the tape of that PC meeting.  That is the meeting to which I was referring re Jennifer Lane's "No" vote.



The Planning Commission date was May 7th, 2014  for the developers (13) agreement.  Look at those minutes and ask the City Clerk for the tape of that PC meeting.  That is the meeting to which I was referring re Jennifer Lane's "No" vote.  



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Posted 23 August 2014 - 02:04 PM

Per Don himself,

 

"Cost cutting at the paper caused me to start looking so I ended up at the state. No talk. I was never given a talk by anyone from the city.

 

If city officials ever had an issue with something I wrote or directed my staff to write, they would simply call me and we would hash out any differences.

 

I always presented both sides in the paper. At the end of June, the paper's budget to pay freelancers was reduced and, in my opinion, it was going to limit my ability to successfully do my job.

 

So, I started looking. Six weeks later, I was hired by the state."


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Posted 23 August 2014 - 04:09 PM

Karen,

I did understand that she first objected at the May 7th meeting. However, the video for that meeting is not available. Unfortunatly, the "minutes" for the May 7th meeting are not actual minutes, just a voting record as shown below.

 


Link to full text of "minutes" 

http://www.folsom.ca...ing_commission/

COMMISSIONER SCOTT MOVED TO INTRODUCE THE UNCODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF FOLSOM FOR THE FIRST AMENDED AND RESTATED TIER 1 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF FOLSOM AND CERTAIN LANDOWNERS IN THE FOLSOM PLAN AREA RELATIVE TO THE FOLSOM SOUTH SPECIFIC AREA PLAN
COMMISSIONER ARNAZ SECONDED THE MOTION WHICH CARRIED THE FOLLOWING VOTE:
 
AYES: JACKSON, ARNAZ, BUTCHER, SCOTT
NOES: LANE
ABSTAIN: NONE
ABSENT: MARTELL, KLUG
 
The reason I posted the link to the June 4th video is that it actually made a stronger point to her benefit and in support of your comments. That meeting was a continuation of the same discussion for development south of 50 and Jennifer did bring up her concern with the drought again. Please post the May7th video if you are successful in getting a copy, or better yet, ask the City Clerk to expedite getting it uploaded to the City webpage.
 
That being said, my concerns with her as a Council member still stand.



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Posted 24 August 2014 - 10:09 AM

maestro,

 

Your above posts seem to mix two different issues. I am not sure if you intended them to be related.

 

Regarding Don's departure, I was not too surprised since the Telegraph has never retained an editor for too long. In the past, I have been told directly by former editors, that under the threat that the Chamber would have members pull advertisement from the paper, that they could not push stories that were beyond the Chambers approval. That is, truthful, factual articles regarding the City's lies regarding development south of 50.

 

Was he "forced" out, or just tired of working on a Chamber of Commerce rag devoid of any real City news.

 

You will have to show us how he was "dangerous". It is hard to recall many article or letters to the editor that the chamber would not have endorsed over the past years since Don became editor. Not blaming him, as his concern was keeping the paper afloat with advertising revenue.

 

Relating the two issues?   No,

 

Don Chaddock was an advocate for residents near Sutter St problems with noise, crime, alcohol, urination, crowds, parking, and generally the impact of the Sutter area crowded with alcohol licenses -- on poor residents who suffer greatly.

When Don did a page one article about the upset with the high number of deaths on the city's  "55mph city streets", there was a hew & cry -- whether the public knew or not.   

 

In a later post Don says he was not pressured by anyone except the budget-keepers.    That is his official statement as he moves on to State employment.     His writing, advocacy and public tours made it clear he was thrilled to be a community leader.     He seemed quite sad to leave such a position.    I'm sorry to see him go because he seemed more open than other editors had been -- others who were just mouthpieces.    As for retaliation, I hope he did not endure any for political reasons.    I have.  

 

Don came to me for a 2013 front page article on Folsom city posting 55mph on "city streets" -- with NO MEDIANS except yellow paint --   raised ire.    I reminded people that since a mayor fired the City Engineer, 16 innocent people have died on Folsom's "55mph city streets".     Ribbons of asphalt, no improvements, just a great place to end up dead because speed made a certain group happy.    Glad Don did OK, because others did not fare so well.

 

BTW, don't like the 111' wide high speed bridge over Lake Natoma either.    Who believes lightrail will extend to Granite Bay and people living on top of Folsom Reservoir?     Concrete, rocks, speed.....   This is a place where people should drive slowly across a magnificent river.    Why should any part of Folsom Blvd./or  any "city street"   be 55 mph?????     Was it to connect Intel to some developing land in Placer or El DoradoCounty?    

 

When I first Googled "55mph city streets" no other place on the planet came up.    You can see video research at www.youtube.com   4sewerdogs.    or Google   55mph city streets .






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