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[ducky]

If I were in Africa and I thought I had ebola, I would probably do anything I could to get to America or Europe.  Being in Africa would be a death sentence.  The guy in Texas had seen first hand someone rejected by a hospital in Liberia and made to go home and die.  They can see on the news that infected people are surviving here.  My guess is not many people are going to be honest under those circumstances when it comes to the "where have you been lately?" questions at the airports.

 

Seems like you might be spot on.  Now Liberia is saying he will prosecuted when he returns home if he lied on his health screening questionnaire.

[bordercolliefan]

New cases in Dallas, Hawaii, Utah, and Kentucky. Hold on to your hats folks, the ride is just starting.

Where did this information come from? I don't see it on CNN or foxnews...

[cw68]

Where did this information come from? I don't see it on CNN or foxnews...

Hawaii case has ruled out Ebola. Utah unlikely. I just googled around.

Looks like there is a second case within the family with whom he was living. http://www.usatoday....tient/16525649/

What floors me is that the family refused to stay quarantined voluntarily so guard had to be posted. Ummm, this is why.

[supermom]

Like I said before.. the greatest risk of this disease is not at a hospital clean room but through travel within the US.

If I had the disease- I would refuse to be subjected to a lockdown outside of a hospital, as well.

And if my family members had the disease, I would refuse to be locked down in the house with them. That is a death sentence; and its just plain wrong. Regardless of how many others you want save. I would kill anyone that tried to force me to be locked down with a known Ebola carrier.

 

As this spreads- you will see violence take a forefront in the news.

[supermom]

They wont be able to prosecute him. He did not lie. It had been 5 days (their standard) from the last time he had been exposed to anyone with the virus ( he picked up-and carried a pregnant 19 year old and took her to a hospital where she later died).

 

According to the health information being given to people in Liberia - he did all the right things.

He waited 5 days before traveling after having come into contact with someone.

He informed the hospital he had just come from Liberia.

 

The news is saying that hazardous materials cleaning crews are refusing to go to his apartment and remove clothing and other materials that he was directly in contact with because they do not have the proper education, training and ease of mind - on the disease.

[Carl G]

Hawaii case has ruled out Ebola. Utah unlikely. I just googled around.

Looks like there is a second case within the family with whom he was living. http://www.usatoday....tient/16525649/

What floors me is that the family refused to stay quarantined voluntarily so guard had to be posted. Ummm, this is why.

 

How would you like to be that family being sent back into an apartment that was never cleaned or sanitized?  An apartment that still had the bedding from the ebola patient?  An apartment where they weren't sure they had food to last 21 days?  How would you like to be the person living next to the ebola apartment?

 

Seems to me that a better plan would be to quarantine the family at another location. 

[supermom]

like an internment camp, right?

[ducky]

Like I said before.. the greatest risk of this disease is not at a hospital clean room but through travel within the US.

If I had the disease- I would refuse to be subjected to a lockdown outside of a hospital, as well.

And if my family members had the disease, I would refuse to be locked down in the house with them. That is a death sentence; and its just plain wrong. Regardless of how many others you want save. I would kill anyone that tried to force me to be locked down with a known Ebola carrier.

 

As this spreads- you will see violence take a forefront in the news.

 

So you think it's better to wander around after being exposed infecting more people?

 

The family had to be guarded because they found they were "challenged" staying home and were leaving.  I understand if they needed food and supplies, but they should have called for help instead of wandering out to the grocery store or whatever.  They are now getting what they need in the way of supplies.  They are also finally getting to cleaning the apartment, hopefully, today.

 

I guess all those movies where the government swoops in wearing hazmat suits and isolates and tents an area because of an alien or exposure is just that, movie fiction.  We now know how incompetent we really are.  They have known this was coming and yet there seem to be no protocols in place.

 

There is a photo going around, but I don't know if it is legit.  It is shot from what seems to be a news helicopter showing two guys in regular clothing, no suits, pressure washing the vomit off the sidewalk in front of the Ivy Apartments.  There is a woman wearing sandals in the photograph standing in the parking lot where the pool of washed-off vomit is going.  I guess that answers my question that it was allowed to stay out there where crows could peck at it or people could walk through it.

[4thgenFolsomite]

my guess is the Texas officials have been waiting for some CDC people to come to be sure the removal of contaminated materials in the apartment is done correctly.  I don't think that's a bad move.  Those people in that apartment had already been exposed to him for the last 10 days, during which he is showing symptoms.  They have already been exposed.  I am sure they will get food and whatever else they need to survive and they will be carefully monitored for signs of fever, etc.  I think everyone needs to let them take the time to think it through and do it right.  I don't think there are hazmat crews in Folsom that could show up in an hour to handle a situation like this.  It takes a little time to get the right personnel in there. 

 

would I want to be living in an adjacent apartment?  no way!  I know there isn't any risk, but still....just too close for comfort!  you know the woman that was living in the same bed with him while he was sweating and vomiting and having diarrhea is very very likely to have it now too.  so would I want to live next door to an apartment where someone was living with ebola?  how about NO.

[bordercolliefan]

There is so much we don't know about this disease. For example, how long does the virus remain contagious when it is not in its human host--i.e., do bedsheets or toilet seats remain dangerous days after the person has left the house?

I personally think the authorities are underplaying the ways this virus can spread. It may not truly be airborne, but maybe is fairly easily picked up through small fissures in the skin... or through particles that linger in the air after someone uses the bathroom (if the smell lingers, why not tiny virus particles?) I don't know... but there is a disconnect between the authorities' statements of how hard this is to contract versus the fact that thousands of people have gotten it.

[ducky]

my guess is the Texas officials have been waiting for some CDC people to come to be sure the removal of contaminated materials in the apartment is done correctly.  I don't think that's a bad move.  Those people in that apartment had already been exposed to him for the last 10 days, during which he is showing symptoms.  They have already been exposed.  I am sure they will get food and whatever else they need to survive and they will be carefully monitored for signs of fever, etc.  I think everyone needs to let them take the time to think it through and do it right.  I don't think there are hazmat crews in Folsom that could show up in an hour to handle a situation like this.  It takes a little time to get the right personnel in there. 

 

would I want to be living in an adjacent apartment?  no way!  I know there isn't any risk, but still....just too close for comfort!  you know the woman that was living in the same bed with him while he was sweating and vomiting and having diarrhea is very very likely to have it now too.  so would I want to live next door to an apartment where someone was living with ebola?  how about NO.

 

It's not that far from Atlanta, GA, to Dallas, TX.   It doesn't take three days to get there.  

[supermom]

The very serious disconnect is that in Papua New Guinea, scientists learned that certain strains of Hemorrhagic Fever  has an infectious range of 3-21 days. They also found the disease CAN survive outside a host for a few hours - possibly longer if the environment is hot (like a Texas summer day?) and humid.

 

Would I want to be standing anywhere near a pile of vomit on a hot sidewalk- knowing that?  gahhh

 

 

Back to the top part... So, if Liberia is telling their citizens it is ok after 5 days of free symptoms after exposure to the disease- They are realistically putting a global threat on mankind.

 

Just my view of this.

[nomad]

Here is an interesting video from a recent speech by Mr. Obama. Start at about 1:50.

 

[cw68]

Like I said before.. the greatest risk of this disease is not at a hospital clean room but through travel within the US.
If I had the disease- I would refuse to be subjected to a lockdown outside of a hospital, as well.
And if my family members had the disease, I would refuse to be locked down in the house with them. That is a death sentence; and its just plain wrong. Regardless of how many others you want save. I would kill anyone that tried to force me to be locked down with a known Ebola carrier.
 
As this spreads- you will see violence take a forefront in the news.

And I wouldn't need to be put on lockdown because there would be NO WAY I would risk infecting others just because I voluntarily welcomed someone into my home who had just come from Liberia. My individual desire to talk a walk is not as important as the health of a whole community. I think it's incredibly selfish to put others at risk.

[Carl G]

What I hear when the president says "ebola outbreak" is many, many people getting it, not a handfull of people.