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[forumreader]

Tessieca, my husband and I have the same policy in our home.

[cybertrano]

Very good advice tessi and forumR, or else you may end up like the case of the Columbine in Colorado.

Coming from the Asian culture, I found that the mainstream parents to be tooooooooooooo soft for your own good. No parents need to beg for permissions from their kids. It's obsurb.

[TheCourtJester]

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So searching you house at any time should be fine also right? Or searching your car? The only people that should be against it are the ones that have something to hide right? Heck why don't we just abolish all the civil rights while we're at it.

We're minors living in a house that ISN'T OURS...We have no "Right to privacy." It's our parents house and they can search if the darn well want to.

The "Right to privacy?"
That right is, in itself, just an illusion in the United States as long as there is a government run the way it has been the past 20 years... Even since it was founded the policy has been 'sure you can have privacy until we think your doing something wrong, then all your house R belong to us.'

Hope that didn't ruffle too many feathers.

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The problem isn't so much as doing drugs at school or carrying weapons at school as it is doing drugs with friends or having boxing matches in the park. You can't stop that unless you want to hire more police officers or put cameras everywhere. Two people were expelled at school (That I know of) for having weapons at school. One person had brass knuckles (funny thing is zach and I were doing a presentation when the guy was caught...he was showing it off right in front of the teacher) and the other person had a paint ball barrel...nothing else.

I fail to see how this relates to any of the above. It's ALL a problem that needs to be fixed; Whether at home OR at school. If they were expelled for having weapons at school...GOOD. They were stupid enough to bring it. It was stopped at school just as it should be...and probably could have been stopped at home had the parents kept a closer eye on what their "nice little boy" had been out doing and spending their money on.

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How many people truly live in fear when coming to Folsom High? You sound like the Folsomjuniors except you say it in a differnt manner. Folsom High isn't like Compton and it'll take a long time (if ever) before it gets like that. Folsom isn't some inner city school with gang bangers everywhere.

So your saying we shouldn't bother to stop it before it becomes a MAJOR problem like it is in "inner city" schools? Or should we just not do anything until a Columbine-like incident happens? That could have been prevented EASILY had their parents not respected their so-called "right to privacy."
*cough*Your gonna grow up to be a fine democrat. *cough*

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Personally I think that if you think we actually need drug dogs and metal detectors you should seek counselling for paranoia.

If you believe there is no necessity for them, and that we simply "dont need them" because we are not an "inner-city school" you should seek counseling for blatant ignorance. You may not realize it, but teens at an "inner-city" school are no different from teens at Folsom High. They are just teens that were not stopped when they brought that stuff to school. They weren't told "NO" when they brought the brass knuckles, they weren't stopped by the drug dogs when they brought their pot to school, and so on. Folsom will be on the exact same trail as the "inner-city" schools unless we stop the problem before it grows.

[Julio]

HighSchool Prom Prank Irks Parents

[pampChefLady]

Julio -

I'm against destructive-type pranks, but that one is quite funny! And did it hurt anyone? Not really. Very clever.... I hope the consequences, since there must be some, are not overly harsh.

In the end, the serious part is that the school must make sure they protect that type of information a little better.

[Protchnu]

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We're minors living in a house that ISN'T OURS...We have no "Right to privacy." It's our parents house and they can search if the darn well want to.

Yup, you're exactly right...but does that mean I can't be mad about it?

I wasn't talking about whether parents have the right to search through their childs room I was talking about how you justified it. You shouldn't have a problem with being searched unless you have something to hide?
So if the police broke down your door and went through all your stuff without warrant, you should have no problem unless you have something to hide? Or should you only be mad if people don't have the right to do something? I have a right to freedom of speech yet I seemed to cause some feelings of discontent in you...but you can't feel that, because I have the right to say it.

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I fail to see how this relates to any of the above. It's ALL a problem that needs to be fixed; Whether at home OR at school.

The problem is very minor and putting up metal detectors and drug dogs is creating an imaginary problem...it's overkill. A dog attacked a child...do we kill all dogs? No, that was one dog.

However, the problem of drugs does exist outside of school. How does a drug dog manage to stop that? So do drug dogs fix anything? It may stop a couple kids but does it fix it? That has more to do with how you raise your child not what security features the school has. Maybe this is searching your childs room everyday but does that stop them from doing it at another persons home?

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and probably could have been stopped at home had the parents kept a closer eye on what their "nice little boy" had been out doing and spending their money on.

I guess all parents should tie their kids to a bed when they get home from school also. Any parents here that can honestly say they know EVERYTHING their child does at ALL TIMES. Don't think that means that everyone else is a bad parent and their kids will grow up to be drug dealers. I think if you kept that close of an eye on your kid it'd cause more problems long term than it would fix.

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So your saying we shouldn't bother to stop it before it becomes a MAJOR problem like it is in "inner city" schools?

Exactly. Cellphones aren't allowed in school. The school didn't say "No cellphones" when they first came out...they put it in the rulebook when it became a problem. Do they state that in an elementary schools handbook? No because theres few (if any) 3rd graders that regularly totes around a cell phone. If there were signs that the school was headed in the direction of school shootings and a drug cartel running, then yes, put them in. But at the moment the problem doesn't exist in the school and I don't see any signs of it.

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That could have been prevented EASILY had their parents not respected their so-called "right to privacy."

I keep my large arsenal of weapons under my bed right next to my penthouse magazine! And the ammunition is in my sock drawer!

You think a school shooter could put guns a place other than their room? Other than their house? Do you think they could get the gun from their parent's gun safe?

Are you a parent? Because I'm wondering if you actually keep this close of an eye on your kids or you're just stating that it's the parent's fault because they aren't watching their HIGH SCHOOL TEENS 24/7. I'm supposed to become an adult with a leash around my body? (BTW the kids on those leashes although sad are extremely funny to watch)

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You may not realize it, but teens at an "inner-city" school are no different from teens at Folsom High. They are just teens that were not stopped when they brought that stuff to school.

You may not realize it but my dad is the same as Donald Trump. They're both human and they're both males...see?! Exactly the same.

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They weren't told "NO" when they brought the brass knuckles, they weren't stopped by the drug dogs when they brought their pot to school, and so on. Folsom will be on the exact same trail as the "inner-city" schools unless we stop the problem before it grows.

You're right the administration tells them to bring guns and drugs on campus! I'm pretty sure their administration would watch for that type of thing more than Folsom. It has to do with whether the students respect the rules. In Folsom most students were raised to understand and follow the rules. At other schools where drugs and weapons are a problem they don't follow the rules.

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*cough*Your gonna grow up to be a fine democrat. *cough*

Putting up metal detectors and drug dogs has so much to do with democracy.
You'RE gonna grow up to form a fine police state driven by fear and you can put cameras on your kids too!

[tessieca]

QUOTE (Protchnu @ Jun 17 2004, 08:06 PM)

Cellphones aren't allowed in school. The school didn't say "No cellphones" when they first came out...they put it in the rulebook when it became a problem. Do they state that in an elementary schools handbook? No because theres few (if any) 3rd graders that regularly totes around a cell phone.

The rules pre-cellphones said something about forbidding the use of electronic devices in school. This was to keep the pagers out. And, I beg to differ about 3rd graders using cell phones -- yes, they are. In fact, most students are not following the rules to turn cellphones off completely during school hours, including lunch. Parents are the real culprits since they want to be able to keep tabs on their kids, which is what this thread is all about

[Protchnu]

Yes, they say don't bring electronic devices to the school. They didn't state no cell phones and no pagers and no cd players (and more recently) no mp3 players until they became a problem. An mp3 player is pretty much the exact same thing as a cd player so why state it? All they do is play a different type of media but the output is the same.

As of now the "pre-drug and pre-gun" rule is don't bring drugs and don't bring weapons or else you'll get suspended/expelled. They don't need drug dogs or metal detectors until it's a problem at school.

(BTW are there any elementary schools that specifically say no cell phones? I don't know any kids that have one and my brother is a 2nd grader. There's tons of kids running around my neighborhood that all come to play. I wouldn't pay that kind of money for a kid that would use a phone a whole 2 minutes a month, if they could even use the phone to begin with.)

[bishmasterb]

Well said protchnu.

All the metal detectors, drug dogs and searches will not make our schools safer.

Raising our kids to respect the bodies and property of others will make them safer. And ending the ridiculous war on drugs will make our schools and streets safer.

[tessieca]

It's a district-wide policy that kid can bring cell phones as long as they're off during the day. It applies to elementary, middle, high, continuation schools.

[bigsheldy]

I don't know how people can say drugs aren't a problem. If you say this you need a rude awakening. If the school did a school-wide drug test, the results would be unbelieveable. Not only the number of kids who do drugs, but the number of people who would complain about their civil liberties being violated and all this other crap (as seen above). You have no civil liberty when it comes to breaking the law. You have no civil liberty when it comes to the safety of others and/or our country. If the cops are looking for drugs then they are doing their job and enforcing the law. If the FBI are looking for bombs...guess what? They're doing their job and they're saving your arse. You shouldn't have a problem with it if you have nothing to hide. Think about it. Don't automatically retort with "OH BUT THEN THATS JUST THE FIRST STEP AND THE EVIL GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE ALL OUR FREEDOM!!!!". That will never happen. It hasn't happened in the almost 250 years of the constitution being signed, nor will it ever happen. How does it affect you if someone searches your backpack/car/house/(censored)? It doesn't. If you had no drugs or bombs or whatever it is you have that you are so afraid of having, it wouldn't matter would it? I have nothing to hide. I don't do drugs and I never will. I don't make bombs or have plans to make any in the near future...the cops or FBI or whoever can search me all they want.

[cptkeith84]

yeah.

[Protchnu]

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You have no civil liberty when it comes to breaking the law. You have no civil liberty when it comes to the safety of others and/or our country.

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You shouldn't have a problem with it if you have nothing to hide. Think about it.

Do you really, and I mean really, honestly believe that? That's leading down the path of guilty until proven innocent. Basically, what you're saying is that our entire justice system is wrong. If you really believe in it, go run for senate or representative based off a slogan like "You shouldn't have a problem with it unless you have something to hide." And your promises are things like "I'll strip away civil liberties to take away the crime!" And after that if you do get elected, which obviously you won't because the majority of people aren't that stupid, then go and try to pass an amendment that repeals the first 10 amendments! And if that passes you've succeeded in proving me wrong. That people would rather live in a place where "you shouldn't have a problem with it unless you have something to hide."

I am thinking about the "you shouldn't have a problem with it unless you have something to hide" and yet I can only understand it if you were trying to run a place where the government has supreme control and police can do pretty much anything.

Bigsheldy or CourtJester can answer this question...Would you like to live in a place where your house could be randomly searched at any time by the police without warrant? Would it make you feel safer?

If you think that there isn't a point in having civil liberties, then why are they there? You can put drug dogs and metal detectors in school but does that solve the problem?

[Slinky]

Here, have fun with this:

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[LordOfWar]

Hate to tell everyone this, but most likely your sons/daughters are doing drugs and engaging in sexual activities....

Take it from a kid who attends Folsom High, it isnt pretty. Pretty much everyone i know drinks till the dont remember anything, smoke pot after school everyday, or have sex at wild parties every weekend.
Check up on your kids, and i mean it. Its a bigger issue than you know

BS!!!!! even if it were, theyre were a lot of people who dont! alos, its probably not any worse than when the parents were in high school. dont lie to your kids! we all know there was a lot more drugs and sex and AIDS in your generation.