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[supermom]

I'll be honest here- I don't think it makes a difference whether the teacher Yielded-or looked (law enforcement doesn't seem to care--this is not a case of both were wrong so let's move on and punish equally--because that can't happen--some lived and some died.)
I don't think it makes a difference how much the boys were speeding-because they already admitted they were.
I don't think it makes a difference if there was a video of the accident--viedeos are just like humans. when viewed by different people different things can be seen and important things are often not in the big bang-but in the subtelty that I doubt a parking lot vidoe could have shown.

So really--the thing is; the boys were speeding. the boys killed a woman. FP has taken hits for not doing their jobs thoroughly before so this time around they were slow and methodical. They have built a case for the DA that gives the DA enough leverage to make the boys believe their only alternative is to plead guilty.

I don't think enough has been done to evaluate why some people think the boys are being mowed over. Is their counsel competent? Not all lawyers are equal in experience, knowledge, and ofcoarse the old boys club. So if snutey and banannna have issues with what family friend is saying about the investigation--let's open things up. We know family friend is a family friend of the accused (I doubt that--probably more like a relative).
What about snutey and bananna? The veracity which you denie a video speaks volume to me in that you are more than a forum reader and perhaps are a part of this accident.. investigation.. (how)?

Well anyway, I have stated many times that I do not believe in rehabilitation of criminals. It is their responsibility to get off drugs-porn-vicious raping-killing-stealing-,etc...and not the tax payers jobs to do what their momma's or themselves failed to try to teach/learn.
However, I don't think that applies to kids. I don't think all kids mature in rationalization and cognitive understanding of the impacts they make concerning society just at the switch of a button at 18 years old. Some never learn and they deserve to stay in jail-but I don't like the number 18. ahrrrrrrrggg the worst part is that these boys can't live in the dead families shoes. They can't feel the loss-because they never knew her--they can't ache every day because they never yearned ----they are just boys.


As for FP being racist and going harsher on these boys because two of the five boys were not white, or for the part that the PD has a problem with the one boy who comes from a single parent home--an appartment no less......
I dread that this could be the case. I personally do not know any of the Folsom PD but I just hope that this has not been a reason for any undue mistreatment of the investigation or treatment towards those boys.

[ChipShot]

I feel more for the husband and children of the deceased then I do for those punk kids, if that was me I'd be out for the bood of those bastards that killed my wife.

Very eloquently stated, banana !!!!


Most clear-thinking people agree with that whole-heartedly !!!

[doj_gal]

Nope, just want the punishment to fit the crime. I know that's a foreign concept to some of you, which is unfortunate.

Not foreign concept at all..atleast not to me...I see many more people (scum sucking career criminals) get away with atrocities of justice therefore when I see two kids, who made a mistake I want them to recieve punishment but also see some good come from this...but I guess the only true punishment that would fit is death right!!! I just hope you never make a lapse of judgement...just make sure you don't talk on your cell phone and drive because if you by accident kill someone...we may just have to viciously attack you....but I guess if you are sinless you can cast the first stone right?...so cast away Mr. Shot.....

[ChipShot]

I just hope you never make a lapse of judgement...just make sure you don't talk on your cell phone and drive because if you by accident kill someone...we may just have to viciously attack you....but I guess if you are sinless you can cast the first stone right?...so cast away Mr. Shot.....

Uh-oh...BLEEDING-HEART LIBERAL ALERT !!!!! (or BHLA, FOR SHORT) (OR BLAH-BLAH ALERT)

Nothing personal, though........

[banana]

What about snutey and bananna? The veracity which you denie a video speaks volume to me in that you are more than a forum reader and perhaps are a part of this accident.. investigation.. (how)?

you're thinking of chipshot who was denying the video exists. all I asked is show it to me and I'll believe it, but I have to agree with chipshot that I think FF is full of bs and making stuff up and just trying to backup the accidental killers, I mean the sweet innocent boys who accidentally raced and mowed down a woman.


I understand your point about not bogging down prisons but cripes, its time to make a stand against criminals and punish them. We should be cranking up the electric chair on a weekly basis to get rid of the murderous scum that's been parked on death row for decades and costing us tax payers millions per week to keep those murderers alive.

Criminals should lose ALL rights when they are convicted but yet our system gives them the best perks money can buy and thats just wrong in my book. The California penal system is seriously screwed up.

[banana]

Not foreign concept at all..atleast not to me...I see many more people (scum sucking career criminals) get away with atrocities of justice therefore when I see two kids, who made a mistake I want them to recieve punishment but also see some good come from this...but I guess the only true punishment that would fit is death right!!! I just hope you never make a lapse of judgement...just make sure you don't talk on your cell phone and drive because if you by accident kill someone...we may just have to viciously attack you....but I guess if you are sinless you can cast the first stone right?...so cast away Mr. Shot.....

If I screwed up as you described, being on a cell phone and causing an accident and death, then I too would deserve the maximum punishment possible.

Sorry but the bleeding heart liberal "feel sorry for the criminals, not the victims" just isn't right.
California libs need to start caring about the victims and stop supporting the criminals rights.

[doj_gal]

Uh-oh...BLEEDING-HEART LIBERAL ALERT !!!!! (or BHLA, FOR SHORT) (OR BLAH-BLAH ALERT)

Nothing personal, though........

Funny that you call me a lib...I never have sided with, voted for, or believed in anything that came from a liberal persons mouth or position...Regardless of how I vote...my beliefs on this is to not send another young man who can make a positive contribution into the crappy CYA program...
well unless they were able to attend the classes my father teaches...then send them there...my father who is a stern, no bs, yet POSITIVE role model for the young boys....you wouldn't see myself or any of my siblings pulling the crap that the boys did...we were raised by a hard working role model and it's unfortunate that a typical snobby FOLSOM parent that provides everything to their rat children produced such a selfish kid, whos actions took a life...Just let my dad take these boys for their entire incarceration and you would see immature boys turned into positive male role models!!!

[supermom]

Very eloquently stated, banana !!!!


Most clear-thinking people agree with that whole-heartedly !!!

I gotta say Chipshot--I disagree with you on this one.

A cold blooded killer would gut you up and fish you inside out for even thinking of saying that out loud. They would come for you first-because they have no compunction from killing. Just meat.

But these boys aren't cold blooded killers.I think you are having difficulty grasping the concept between an accident (oops the cups spilled over mommy) and an intentional malicious act(he walked up to the front door, used the statue on the lawn to break the door knob--forced his way in and then played mozart while butchering the entire family -just the way he had learned to butcher a lamb at the early age of 14). GET the Difference?

These boys don't deserve the death penalty, or a posse. they deserve to be punished harshly for the accident and death they created by irresponsible behavior. They should be forced to go back to that teachers school and abjectly apologize to those young students for killing their teacher. They should be placed on a work program for the next 3 years where they must clean roads and speak to local High School students about the dangers of stupidity. But I don't think they should go to jail. Doj Gal is right. Some good should come from this. Some learning-to honor thememory after the death of this teacher.

[banana]

These boys don't deserve the death penalty, or a posse. they deserve to be punished harshly for the accident and death they created by irresponsible behavior. They should be forced to go back to that teachers school and abjectly apologize to those young students for killing their teacher. They should be placed on a work program for the next 3 years where they must clean roads and speak to local High School students about the dangers of stupidity. But I don't think they should go to jail. Doj Gal is right. Some good should come from this. Some learning-to honor thememory after the death of this teacher.

They don't deserve the death penalty but they do deserve some jail time and many years of community service.

I don't think it's right for them not to do any jail time at all, what kind of message does that send to the husband and children of the deceased? To me its saying the death of his wife was no big deal.

They should also lose their licenses for a minimum of 5-10 years.

[ChipShot]

my beliefs on this is to not send another young man who can make a positive contribution into the crappy CYA program

Geeez, you make it sound like they'll be spending the rest of their life there, for cryin' out loud. They should spend a few years there as punishment...that oughtta straighten 'em out. But oh no, all the hand-wringers and soft-on-crime knuckleheads want those nice little boys to face no harsh punishment whatsoever. A little slap on the wrist for those charming young men...we wouldn't want to harm their wonderful, bright future, would we?? They can make a "positive contribution", right?? And as far as Mrs. McNew's future.......oh, that's right, she doesn't have a future. Ahh, she's irrelevent. It's the boys that we need to worry about, right?? Excuse me while I go throw-up.

[banana]

Geeez, you make it sound like they'll be spending the rest of their life there, for cryin' out loud. They should spend a few years there as punishment...that oughtta straighten 'em out. But oh no, all the hand-wringers and soft-on-crime knuckleheads want those nice little boys to face no harsh punishment whatsoever. A little slap on the wrist for those charming young men...we wouldn't want to harm their wonderful, bright future, would we?? They can make a "positive contribution", right?? And as far as Mrs. McNew's future.......oh, that's right, she doesn't have a future. Ahh, she's irrelevent. It's the boys that we need to worry about, right?? Excuse me while I go throw-up.

Thats what's wrong here. People caring more about the criminals then the victims.

[LexHillsmom]

If I screwed up as you described, being on a cell phone and causing an accident and death, then I too would deserve the maximum punishment possible.

Sorry but the bleeding heart liberal "feel sorry for the criminals, not the victims" just isn't right.
California libs need to start caring about the victims and stop supporting the criminals rights.

Has nothing to do with liberal versus conservative but right verses wrong, fair verses unjust. That you need to quickly box this into a political position reveals alot about your particular mentality.

I'm sure when and if you screw up you'll be stepping up and screaming for the maximum punishment. Right.

[supermom]

They don't deserve the death penalty but they do deserve some jail time and many years of community service.

I don't think it's right for them not to do any jail time at all, what kind of message does that send to the husband and children of the deceased? To me its saying the death of his wife was no big deal.

They should also lose their licenses for a minimum of 5-10 years.

bananna you and me can agree that we just have different opinions. I don't think jail is appropriate. Staying at home with their folks with ankle bracelets and telling them they can only leave the house to go to work duty is right., Their work duty should be cleaning the public roads and speaking to High School kids about the dangers of stupidity, Their license should be taken away (you know in Germany if you kill someone your license is taken away for the rest of your life?) I think that they should have 3 stinking years of living with mommy after highschool and NOT be allowed to go to college until they have finished their time(unless online and it doesn't interfere in their work duty).

But you are right--it isn't enough to back back to the husband and children (she was a mom?). So maybe the judge needs to get creative. Maybe he needs to make these young men get a paying job and help support those kids through college. If a pregnant highschool kid has no choice but to forego college in order to raise a kid then maybe these boys should have to do the same. Afterall, they took the mom and half the income away--it should be their responsibility to replace it.

[LexHillsmom]

Thats what's wrong here. People caring more about the criminals then the victims.

NO, what is wrong here is a lack of objectivity and people who pretend to be caring about the victim where they can unleash their untapped rage so they can look like the hero of society.

I care more about society and end results than a feel good sentence.

[banana]

Has nothing to do with liberal versus conservative but right verses wrong, fair verses unjust. That you need to quickly box this into a political position reveals alot about your particular mentality.

I'm sure when and if you screw up you'll be stepping up and screaming for the maximum punishment. Right.

You're very correct that its about right versus wrong but yet you people seem to think the boys were more right then the victim.

thats whats wrong.

you don't know me or my political position, but I'm sick of all the bleeding hearts who seem to care more about the criminals then the victims.