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[Dave Burrell]

If I lost my wife to such a situation, I can't imagine saying, "6 months is adequate punishment. Give them a break already."

Give who a break?

If my wife was killed in this situation - I'd would not be content whatsoever with such a light, lenient sentence - it would be an insult to the life of my wife, being the court placed such a low value on her and more value on the criminal by letting him go free with what equates to just a slap on the hand (IMO).

[ChipShot]

Just in case all you goo-goo's don't think a murder charge is appropriate, read this and tell me what the difference is. DUI and street racing should be in the same category, folks. They're both done with callous disregard, and a bad outcome can be reasonably expected.

http://www.auburnjou...ngan_guilty.txt

[Darthvader]

Hmm, so it's impossible they were doing 90mph because you want to believe it was (partially) her fault? The intersection at Applebee's is tough to clear and is made more difficult due to the bend which obstructs the visibility of the oncoming car in the rightmost lane. This is not a problem when traffic is going at 45mph or even 60mph. But at 90mph, a car in the obstructed zone cannot be seen and cannot be easily cleared by pulling through to the middle of the intersection. The "right of way" is forfeited at these excessive and reckless speeds. She bears no blame whatsoever. Cars do not skid across two or three lanes of traffic during emergency braking at 65mph on dry pavement. I saw the skid marks in person and they started in the rightmost lane and continued diagonally through all lanes of traffic to the median.

You won't change Chris V mind. He drove by the scene, he's driven fast in his life, he can fix cars, etc. No matter how many facts or professional investiagtive reports you show him he will only believe what he wants to even if he is dead wrong.

[supermom]

I sense the emotions here are getting pretty high.

My perspectives of the value of life is not focused on the dead; rather the living. Over and over I have stated that jail is just not the right punishment. These are young men at the peak of their adolescence--not manhood. I have trained plenty of these young men in warfare-mechanics-first aid, etc. I know that their mind set is not anywhere near the reasoning ability of a 25-30 year old man.

I'm not making excuses for speeding- in fact when I have stated over and over that many people -not just teens should slow down--my comments were met with lynch mob tactics by a few. Matter of fact, I think they were all men. ( he he !!)

Nor can anyone take back a death. I'm not sure how anyone can be truly punished for causing a loss of life. But I do think this thread needs to move on. Maybe we can come up with an idea-- of ways to support the husband; even if it's to reach out and let him know we haven't forgotten.

Or perhaps we could support the "slow down" folsom campaign.

**shrug

You guys are way too emotional on this thread; and poor Davburr sounds like he's gonna have a heart attack. (please don't--I like your discussions)

[chris v]

You won't change Chris V mind. He drove by the scene, he's driven fast in his life, he can fix cars, etc. No matter how many facts or professional investiagtive reports you show him he will only believe what he wants to even if he is dead wrong.

I haven't seen any factual reports. I am giving my opinion. Until a factual report is released then I will stick with what I think.

[UnionBlondie16]

I haven't seen any factual reports. I am giving my opinion. Until a factual report is released then I will stick with what I think.

There's a difference between giving your opinion and attacking others for their's.

[Dave Burrell]

You guys are way too emotional on this thread; and poor Davburr sounds like he's gonna have a heart attack. (please don't--I like your discussions)

Hehehe yeah I know I get way too into it sometimes, my bad.

It's just a pisser seeing people getting away with so much in society these days - I think it teaches folks (not all but some) that its not so bad to commit crime, maybe its even ok because the punishments are no big deal.

I think we need to have more serious deterrents in place, and punish people for their inappropriate actions.

If we're ever going to evolve into a better, maybe even more ethical society, we need to teach that crime is wrong.

[Darthvader]

There's a difference between giving your opinion and attacking others for their's.

Wow, next to everything I've written today this is certainly the best post of the day...

[UnionBlondie16]

Wow, next to everything I've written today this is certainly the best post of the day...

Quite a compliment coming from you, Vader.

[Andrea V]

Right on, Darth. Why is there this childish inability and unwillingness to hold people properly accountable for their violent, heinous crimes? Is it the ever-rising softheadization of our society? No wonder the recidivism (yes, it's a word, look it up) rate is so high...nobody is punished properly anymore. Yep, these 'moms' would be screaming bloody murder if it happened to their family, you can bet on that.

He was held accountable!! He got 6 months of jail time.

You can't GUESS what us MOMS would do if it happened to our family. So get off your high horse. you don't have a clue what MOMs would do.

[Andrea V]

I sense the emotions here are getting pretty high.

My perspectives of the value of life is not focused on the dead; rather the living. Over and over I have stated that jail is just not the right punishment. These are young men at the peak of their adolescence--not manhood. I have trained plenty of these young men in warfare-mechanics-first aid, etc. I know that their mind set is not anywhere near the reasoning ability of a 25-30 year old man.

I'm not making excuses for speeding- in fact when I have stated over and over that many people -not just teens should slow down--my comments were met with lynch mob tactics by a few. Matter of fact, I think they were all men. ( he he !!)

Nor can anyone take back a death. I'm not sure how anyone can be truly punished for causing a loss of life. But I do think this thread needs to move on. Maybe we can come up with an idea-- of ways to support the husband; even if it's to reach out and let him know we haven't forgotten.

Or perhaps we could support the "slow down" folsom campaign.

**shrug

You guys are way too emotional on this thread; and poor Davburr sounds like he's gonna have a heart attack. (please don't--I like your discussions)

+1 !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nylaan]

I know that their mind set is not anywhere near the reasoning ability of a 25-30 year old man.

I don't know the right punishment any more than anyone else, but if age is relevant it is only because of circumstance. I know people who did awfully stupid things and it was only once they felt they had something to lose when the attitudes improved. It certainly applies to me as well, but I found it as a much younger age. You can't argue the kids didn't know it was dangerous to race because that is exactly why they do it in the first place.

I understand to some extent why they think hard prison time is not proper due to the fact that it will almost certainly ruin any chance of him becoming a decent enough citizen. I think the real problem is that there really isn't a punishment between destructive prison time and community service (which is more like a chore) and it's exactly like choosing between Democrat and Republican - both options suck.

[cw68]

I haven't seen any factual reports. I am giving my opinion. Until a factual report is released then I will stick with what I think.

While I understand where you're coming from and wish that more of us (me included) would take facts into consideration more often, how can you say the damage was minor? Please explain. I know that years ago people took the energy from the impact and that cars are now designed to absorb that energy instead of the occupants, but a) one occupant died and b) the car(s) was crushed. This wasn't an oddity of a fatal fender-bender.

[Family Friend]

While I understand where you're coming from and wish that more of us (me included) would take facts into consideration more often, how can you say the damage was minor? Please explain. I know that years ago people took the energy from the impact and that cars are now designed to absorb that energy instead of the occupants, but a) one occupant died and b) the car(s) was crushed. This wasn't an oddity of a fatal fender-bender.

The oddity that I can't understand is -

The Toyota was driving at 23 mph at the time of impact according to the CHP reports.

I can't get anyone to explain to me how the car was going 23 mph when she was only about 15 feet from the stop sign.

Does the Toyota really have the ability to accelerate that fast from a complete stop?

[cw68]

The oddity that I can't understand is -

The Toyota was driving at 23 mph at the time of impact according to the CHP reports.

I can't get anyone to explain to me how the car was going 23 mph when she was only about 15 feet from the stop sign.

Does the Toyota really have the ability to accelerate that fast from a complete stop?

Don't personally know, but if I saw a car barreling down at me, I'd floor it. However, my 4-cylinder Subaru wagon would probably hitting a top speed of 5 MPH.