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[Bill Z]

For the record I never said she needs to be put on death row and executed... I said she deserves to die.

can you enlighten as to the difference, i.e. if being sentenced to death and then the sentence is carried out doesn't fit with your "deserves to die" please explain in which manner you feel her death should come about. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one on here that would like to have a better understanding of your meaning.

[eVader]

Thankfully FPD still wait to pass judgment based on facts.

"We know from statements that alcohol was involved. But if that was a factor is yet to be seen," Jason Browning with the Folsom Police Department said.

http://www.kcra.com/...900/detail.html

[supermom]

That's an easy answer Bill...but you will cringe from it...

Do you know what a TBI is?

That's what this kid has-from the sound of the injury. Even if s/he survives the bleeding--there will be permanent, irreparable damage. The extent won't be known for possibly up to a year, in many cases.

Watching a bright wonderful 1st born child one moment--then watching this child suffer for the rest of his/her life....

Well, getting back to your question. The mother may not make it out of the hospital--sadly, the effects of shock and depression when seeing a child harmed may never leave her whole, again.

There are no clearly defined winners in this terrible event. I hope they have someone nearby, that can support them and help them through the initial pain of all this. The entire family and extended family must be reeling, right now.

Please everyone, please respect this families need for a kind word and some compassion right now.

[Bill Z]

Thankfully FPD still wait to pass judgment based on facts.

"We know from statements that alcohol was involved. But if that was a factor is yet to be seen," Jason Browning with the Folsom Police Department said.

http://www.kcra.com/...900/detail.html

It will be interesting to find out what the toxicology reports reveal. Last nights news, didn't show the husband's face, but there was clip of him speaking. He sounded russian to me.
So it made me wonder about the possibility, that in a state of shock, an officer asks her "Have you been drinking?", and the language barrier of colloquial speak pops up, and the lady says "yes", thinking of the glass of water she drank before getting in her car.

I don't know what the truth is, the amount of available information is pretty scarce and I'm confident that at least one report is in error. Remeber early on, we were told 7-8 year olds and someone wondered if all the kids were hers, maybe there were twins, etc. Now we hear the one child with serious injuries is revealed to be 10.

[Dave Burrell]

I'm not going to say much more about this but after hearing the interview with the husband I was shocked to find he KNEW she was taking (and on) vicodin at the time and still let her drive.. with kids!! Vicodin is one of the most intense narcotics available out there and as Maxine R noted, it's CLEARLY stated on the label NO DRIVING!

I still can't get any of the images I saw that night out of my head.... I've never seen anyone drive as crazy as I saw her doing when she caused this horrific crash... and I am still horrified there were kids involved in that crash. This accident was completely senseless and could have been prevented if only a little common sense had been used

[Dave Burrell]

Remeber early on, we were told 7-8 year olds and someone wondered if all the kids were hers, maybe there were twins, etc. Now we hear the one child with serious injuries is revealed to be 10.

those kids were small, I would not have guessed he was 10

[Robert Giacometti]

I'd say that her driving with her kids (or any kids even) in the car when taking a narcotic like vicodin is stupid and inexcusable to me. Hell, it would be stupid and inexcusable even if she was alone.

It would be doubly worse if it was one of her first times taking the prescription as one wouldn't know how one's body would react.

It would be murderous if it turns out that she was drinking too.

So since her husband said she was taking them the night of the crash, I'll keep my judgment of her at stupid and inexcusable and leave murderous out unless drinking becomes an official contributing factor.

You are making a judgement as a rational adult about not driving after taking a narcotic. I don't think anyone disagrees with you about this.

What if the narcotic caused her to trip out so far she was basically not functioning to the point she didn't know what she was doing when she drove the car? Clearly driving that irrational as she was indicates that she was out of control with her mental capabilities.

If what I mentioned above is true in this case, then how do we as a society determine the proper penalty in this case?

This is why we have to wait, for all the facts to be determined, before we pass judgement.

[bookwom]

I can understand everyones anger and disbelief over how a mother could do something like this.

How would you feel if it turns out she had an allergic reaction to the medication that caused her to act irrational? My point is simply, we don't know all the facts yet. We can always publically flog her and stone her later, when we do.

And let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Bill Z]

That's an easy answer Bill...but you will cringe from it...

Do you know what a TBI is?

That's what this kid has-from the sound of the injury. Even if s/he survives the bleeding--there will be permanent, irreparable damage. The extent won't be known for possibly up to a year, in many cases.

Watching a bright wonderful 1st born child one moment--then watching this child suffer for the rest of his/her life....

Well, getting back to your question. The mother may not make it out of the hospital--sadly, the effects of shock and depression when seeing a child harmed may never leave her whole, again.

There are no clearly defined winners in this terrible event. I hope they have someone nearby, that can support them and help them through the initial pain of all this. The entire family and extended family must be reeling, right now.

Please everyone, please respect this families need for a kind word and some compassion right now.

TBI specifically, I don't know, I do know hemoraging in the brain is not good.
But despite your response, I don't think that answers my question to chris. He said she deserves to die, but then it sounds like he doesn't mean a properly carried out death sentence, so I'm at a loss as to how he thinks she should die if she deserves it. Is it time for God to zotch her with a bolt of lightning? Should someone push her in front of a speeding train? Should she just fall in front of a speeding train? Maybe we need a huge earthquake where a hole opens up, she falls into it and then the fault recloses swallowing her into the deep depths of the crust? I could go on & on specualting, but I would rather here chris explain what he means when he says she deserves to die, but a properly performed death sentence and execution doesn't fit the bill. I'm not asking why he feels that way, I'm asking him to explain what he means.

[Robert Giacometti]

I'm not going to say much more about this but after hearing the interview with the husband I was shocked to find he KNEW she was taking (and on) vicodin at the time and still let her drive.. with kids!! Vicodin is one of the most intense narcotics available out there and as Maxine R noted, it's CLEARLY stated on the label NO DRIVING!

I still can't get any of the images I saw that night out of my head.... I've never seen anyone drive as crazy as I saw her doing when she caused this horrific crash... and I am still horrified there were kids involved in that crash. This accident was completely senseless and could have been prevented if only a little common sense had been used

This is why you are a victim of this also!

I'm sorry you had to go through this.

[supermom]

TBI specifically, I don't know, I do know hemoraging in the brain is not good.
But despite your response, I don't think that answers my question to chris. He said she deserves to die, but then it sounds like he doesn't mean a properly carried out death sentence, so I'm at a loss as to how he thinks she should die if she deserves it. Is it time for God to zotch her with a bolt of lightning? Should someone push her in front of a speeding train? Should she just fall in front of a speeding train? Maybe we need a huge earthquake where a hole opens up, she falls into it and then the fault recloses swallowing her into the deep depths of the crust? I could go on & on specualting, but I would rather here chris explain what he means when he says she deserves to die, but a properly performed death sentence and execution doesn't fit the bill. I'm not asking why he feels that way, I'm asking him to explain what he means.

There are lots of different ways to die.

Not all are death--in the ground, stop breathing kinda death.

[mylo]

Maybe maybe maybe there's some circumstances that a reasonable individual would accept led accidentally to this situation. The majority of scenarios I can think of, by far, lean to ignorance, stupidity, or both.

I'm angry not just because she put her own life in danger, and not even entirely because she endangered her own children (hey, evolution?). But she put other people and families at risk. What if the Durango wasn't a monster but a Civic with a family in it. We'd be reading about 4 dead and 2 in hospital.

That could have been Dave, it could have been me, or my wife, and my child. I'm with Chris. Unless there's some off-the-wall circumstances that make this reasonably plausible, it sounds like this person is better off out of society. She's a risk to herself and others and has proven it 5 times.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

Maybe maybe maybe there's some circumstances that a reasonable individual would accept led accidentally to this situation. The majority of scenarios I can think of, by far, lean to ignorance, stupidity, or both.

I'm angry not just because she put her own life in danger, and not even entirely because she endangered her own children (hey, evolution?). But she put other people and families at risk. What if the Durango wasn't a monster but a Civic with a family in it. We'd be reading about 4 dead and 2 in hospital.

That could have been Dave, it could have been me, or my wife, and my child. I'm with Chris. Unless there's some off-the-wall circumstances that make this reasonably plausible, it sounds like this person is better off out of society. She's a risk to herself and others and has proven it 5 times.

Well said, Mylo.

[supermom]

Why is it--that the names of the perosns involved have not been put in the paper, yet?

A month ago, that 19 year old girl who hit and run and then hit again and again, her name was put in the paper right away.

Whats the double standard, here?

[cw68]

Maybe maybe maybe there's some circumstances that a reasonable individual would accept led accidentally to this situation. The majority of scenarios I can think of, by far, lean to ignorance, stupidity, or both.

I'm angry not just because she put her own life in danger, and not even entirely because she endangered her own children (hey, evolution?). But she put other people and families at risk. What if the Durango wasn't a monster but a Civic with a family in it. We'd be reading about 4 dead and 2 in hospital.

That could have been Dave, it could have been me, or my wife, and my child. I'm with Chris. Unless there's some off-the-wall circumstances that make this reasonably plausible, it sounds like this person is better off out of society. She's a risk to herself and others and has proven it 5 times.

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