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[watstein]

Is Keith the one injured?

I wanted to know that if it was Keith as well. As well as were was Dave and why didn't Keith wait before getting involved?

[giacomo]

I wanted to know that if it was Keith as well. As well as were was Dave and why didn't Keith wait before getting involved?

It wasn't Keith.

[Steve Heard]

I know how to do knife disarms. In fact, I know enough that I never want to have to do one because it is so dangerous. That is why a lot of perpetrators are shot by police from a distance when brandishing a knife.

Zackly!

I have the training, and would keep my distance from that guy. No one wants to tangle with someone who's got a knife.

[supermom]

Walmart should be sued for what ? Somehow you are making a distinction that size of the guilty matters. It shouldn't. It certainly didn't for the 13 year old since he had an Equalizer.

A trained cop doesnt have any "special equipment" to prevent a stabbing. That's a comment from too much TV. If there were such equipment each and every guard at Folsom Prison would have it.

Redone-I think it possible you may have misunderstood the intent of my statement.

By size- I was inferring that the manager may underestimated the risks he was walking into-when approaching a half grown man (13 year old).

By special equipment-I was talking about the conflict resolution, weapons, threat assesment and emergency self defense that cops are trained to deploy in cases when dealing with subjects less than happy to have been caught red handed at doing something illegal.

And doj gal- I just can't agree with you-

I think it slightly possible you have personal beef with FPD cops. (1 or 2?) So do I. But I can't lay a broad stroke on all the cops like that.

The truth is that most (well, ok, all the cops in folsom-that I have met)---seem to care a great deal about doing their jobs quite well.

[Redone]

I don't think I misinterpreted where you said the Manager should sue his employer.

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It's still unthinkable to me that this is a Folsom middle school student. Never thought I'd see the day.

[Steve Heard]

I blame Folsom PD. They really need to follow up on thefts of weapons and prescriptions drugs. The entire 5 years working at Long Drugs they only followed up on one complaint where the robbers tore the door off of the store. Other than that, FPD is much more concerned with catching people committing traffic violations...That's where they get their money, not in catching people who steal!

It's funny, the perception people have of police.

We've got one group in town that claim the police do nothing but nail people for minor traffic violations, and another who claim people are driving like they're nuts and the police won't do anything about it.

You've got the people who think the cops are slow to respond, and the ones who think the cops are so bored they send every cop in town to investigate a jay-walking incident.

I can tell you that on the occasions I've called them (runaway kid, disappeared kid, vandalism), they've been there in minutes, and helped me out a great deal. I think we're lucky we have good police/community relations, a safe town, and knowing that the guys and gals in blue do in fact come when we need them.

[ducky]

I don't think I misinterpreted where you said the Manager should sue his employer.

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It's still unthinkable to me that this is a Folsom middle school student. Never thought I'd see the day.

Thinking about this kid sitting alongside my child in class makes my skin crawl. Do we even know if he was from Folsom?

It's funny, the perception people have of police.

We've got one group in town that claim the police do nothing but nail people for minor traffic violations, and another who claim people are driving like they're nuts and the police won't do anything about it.

You've got the people who think the cops are slow to respond, and the ones who think the cops are so bored they send every cop in town to investigate a jay-walking incident.

I can tell you that on the occasions I've called them (runaway kid, disappeared kid, vandalism), they've been there in minutes, and helped me out a great deal. I think we're lucky we have good police/community relations, a safe town, and knowing that the guys and gals in blue do in fact come when we need them.

That's been my experience, too. When it's really important, they've always been there and quick.

[doj_gal]

And doj gal- I just can't agree with you-

I think it slightly possible you have personal beef with FPD cops. (1 or 2?) So do I. But I can't lay a broad stroke on all the cops like that.

The truth is that most (well, ok, all the cops in folsom-that I have met)---seem to care a great deal about doing their jobs quite well.

I do not have a personal beef with any police let alone FPD. I am just sharing the experience I have had with them professionally and personally. I have not been pulled over by FPD but I have seem them lay in wait for other traffic violation breakers, yet have the worst attitude when asked to come to a store where an employee was hit with a bottle.

It's funny, the perception people have of police.

We've got one group in town that claim the police do nothing but nail people for minor traffic violations, and another who claim people are driving like they're nuts and the police won't do anything about it.

You've got the people who think the cops are slow to respond, and the ones who think the cops are so bored they send every cop in town to investigate a jay-walking incident.

I can tell you that on the occasions I've called them (runaway kid, disappeared kid, vandalism), they've been there in minutes, and helped me out a great deal. I think we're lucky we have good police/community relations, a safe town, and knowing that the guys and gals in blue do in fact come when we need them.

I work with all types of law enforcement offices everyday. Your few positive experiences are rare and you should be very thankful for. Folsom is not as nearly busy as some agencies, yet had slow respond times when they were called while I worked at Longs and had the absolute worst attitude while taking our report, if they even came out at all.

Now, when I work with them at my current job they(not specifically FPD but all LEAS) want to shoot the sh*t about my day and are sweet as pie...when they need something. But will hang up the phone on me when I call to ask them why they are not responding to the wanted person request or sending messages that they shouldn't. Until you have a daily encounter with LEAS it's really hard to say that they act professional and in the best intrest of the community. It's sad that I have such a sour outlook and I always approach them with the upmost respect. It's kinda funny when the tables are turned though and they need my help, they will be very respectful. Often times they act entitled or above the law when they do something they are not soposed to do and expect you to fix their mistake. I really try to look past it all when I have to deal directly with police officers, sheriffs and chps, but I would much rather work with their civilian record staff anyday!

[Redone]

Thinking about this kid sitting alongside my child in class makes my skin crawl. Do we even know if he was from Folsom?

Folsom Middle School.

[Folsom Guy]

It's funny, the perception people have of police.

We've got one group in town that claim the police do nothing but nail people for minor traffic violations, and another who claim people are driving like they're nuts and the police won't do anything about it.

You've got the people who think the cops are slow to respond, and the ones who think the cops are so bored they send every cop in town to investigate a jay-walking incident.

Well - if they were issuing tkts in the hot spots - e.g., around school area during kids' drop-off/pick-up areas...it would be gr8...

But, if they hide around in cuddly 'hoods instead - they that's the perception you'd expect...they are not there when and where they need to be, instead, they are hiding in nooks and crannies...

[Dave Burrell]

...they are not there when and where they need to be, instead, they are hiding in nooks and crannies...

I gotta call BS on all the slams against the Folsom PD in this thread... why do you guys dislike them so much? I have to assume doj_gal just hates her job and is tired of dealing with PD and is still mad that they didn't catch the guy who hit her co-worker with the bottle.... but where are you coming from with BS statements like this against the PD?

You people act like they should standing guard 10 feet from you 24/7 - and not giving out those dreaded traffic tickets (at least to you)

I've called the FPD twice in the 5 years I've been here, both times they arrived within less then 1-2 minutes. I can't ask for any better service then that.

[Fowler]

Well - if they were issuing tkts in the hot spots - e.g., around school area during kids' drop-off/pick-up areas...it would be gr8...

But, if they hide around in cuddly 'hoods instead - they that's the perception you'd expect...they are not there when and where they need to be, instead, they are hiding in nooks and crannies...

My two cents on this topic that is totally off topic...
I live near a school, I see FPD parked nearby regularly during peak school times. When they aren't there - crazy mom's drive like idiots down my street - not FPD's fault. I also see them parked on Montrose (not what I would call "cuddly 'hoods") Oh, and I also see them sitting in entrances to parking lots along E. Bidwell, watching out for the crazies. And I am assuming these would be the traffic officers, which probably means that their primary concern from day to day is traffic.

[EAH]

You know, I see Folsom PD driving around Folsom all the time........several of them, everywhere I go. It seems to me there are always going to be some bad eggs in the bunch but for the most part these guys are out there doing their jobs. This Folsom PD slamming is getting really old........

[doj_gal]

I gotta call BS on all the slams against the Folsom PD in this thread... why do you guys dislike them so much? I have to assume doj_gal just hates her job and is tired of dealing with PD and is still mad that they didn't catch the guy who hit her co-worker with the bottle.... but where are you coming from with BS statements like this against the PD?

You people act like they should standing guard 10 feet from you 24/7 - and not giving out those dreaded traffic tickets (at least to you)

I've called the FPD twice in the 5 years I've been here, both times they arrived within less then 1-2 minutes. I can't ask for any better service then that.

Please never put words in my mouth or assume you know about my job and read my entire post for my feeling about police officers. I do not hate my job! I love my job however hate how police officers are nice when they want you to help them out and are down and out rude (hanging up the phone and screaming it's not my job) when you are asking them to do their job.

Tickets are used for revenue by most departments. Funny that while our state is in an extreme budget crisis CHP/Police officers are in full effect that I have never seen before. I see an average of 5-6 on any average drive...compared to 4 years ago, they were no where to be found. Yet, ask them to find a guy that nearly run my son and I off the road or hit someone with a bottle, they are no where to be found. They do not generate $$$ from those type of searches and are not very likely to do them. I was specifically told by FPD that they were not going to look for the guy whom hit my co-worker eventhough we had idenitifiers and direction of travel.

Like I said before, most folks have very few experiences with law enforcement. I have had more professional and personal interactions than most and my experiences have been less than hunky dorey! That does not make me hate my job. It just gives me the real perspective...not the horse and pony show of saving the day, which is what normal civilians see. Be thankful that you have those positive experiences, because they are rare.

[supermom]

mmmm---from a human resources perspective--I would have to say that such observations would/could be that due to increased crime--there may be a PERCEPTION created by parked patrol vehicles of more police in a certain area, or that --just the opposite--there may be a much more observant part of society noting the presence of law enforcement -- due to the effects of a strained economy, particularly where certain neighborhoods may bump into more affluent sides of town.

mmm--from a prior military perspective ---who worked a bit with law enforcement--I would have to say this constant harping about a bottle on a shoulder and a "near" drive off the road sounds an awful lot like ...well, 1) a bad incident that was unfortuneate but even the good guys can't get every one of the bad guys 2) even though the bad driving experience may have been the other guys fault, perhaps you can use this as a wake up- that you want to consider a defensive drivers course to help make you aware of specific driving skills that can potentially save the life of you and your loved ones?

Horse and pony? uhh--we always called 'em dog and pony-- and yeah--I've seen plenty of them....by non civilian and civilian types. What most people dont understand is the amount of refrain that cops are expected to endure while dealing with the public, whether in an "incident" or otherwise.

You know what really bothers me about that post?

2 things:

1) Cops dont just scream at people in the office for no reason. I call bs. (trust me, I know all about BS in the office!There was a fist fight in my office, 2 days ago) Or a serious attitude issue in the office or a serious maladjustment to moral and professional behavior that absolutely should not be tolerated in the office. I would question the validity of a claim of lots of people being unprofessional towards just one person.

2) I have every reason in the world to be you--posting what you are posting-but I'm not--so I wonder--just who and how, someone pissed in your wheaties?


and if there are more cops out there on the road, right now, than ever before--why are you mad? Doesn't it make sense that just maybe they heeded the needs of citizens and they are out there patrolling, even more? A good thing!