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[ducky]

wth is wrong with you????

Really uncalled for post.

Maybe consider joining the conversation in a constructive way?

[Chris]

Well in the 1770's the founding fathers all voted in a way to keep slavery by giving into the Southern states threat not to join in the original 13 states if slavery was not part of the deal..... The Northern states figured that we would deal with it later....
Later was 1861 and in four years time 360,000 men in blue (mostly white) voted with their lives to end it....
Some 260,000 men in gray voted with their lives not to end it........
So, all kidding aside, the truth is somewhere in the middle as usual......
Chris

"Whites" get zero credit for voting "to end slavery."

Really....? I think those 360,000 dead white men dressed in blue would tell you otherwise, if they could. Voting with your life is much more inconvenient than sending in the vote by mail card. Chris

[Dragon's Lisp]

But a person with ACTUAL experience will always be more knowledgeable than one with EXPERIMENTAL knowledge.

I believe they call that an expert witness. The one that is the most believable to the jury is the one that succeeds in influencing the jury.

And you are right. I am sure there are plenty of cases out there, where emotion rather than science, witnesses, and common; have prevailed. It is a sad commentary on a weakness in having a jury. However, most juries do try to take their duties seriously.

Well in the 1770's the founding fathers all voted in a way to keep slavery by giving into the Southern states threat not to join in the original 13 states if slavery was not part of the deal..... The Northern states figured that we would deal with it later....
Later was 1861 and in four years time 360,000 men in blue (mostly white) voted with their lives to end it....
Some 260,000 men in gray voted with their lives not to end it........
So, all kidding aside, the truth is somewhere in the middle as usual......
Chris



Really....? I think those 360,000 dead white men dressed in blue would tell you otherwise, if they could. Voting with your life is much more inconvenient than sending in the vote by mail card. Chris

I would say voting at the ballots is convienent. Voting with my life on the battlefield may become a necessity but not convienent!

[Priscilla]

Really uncalled for post.

Maybe consider joining the conversation in a constructive way?

"Whats wrong with you, any?" thats a quote from supermom to me....shouldn't she be told the same ?

[ducky]

"Whats wrong with you, any?" thats a quote from supermom to me....shouldn't she be told the same ?

I don't think so. WTH is quite a bit stronger.

Your other posts are basically telling her not to have an opinion.
I agree none of us were there and don't really know what happened, but I don't think you
have the right to tell her she's not entitled to try and work out theories just for the
sake of discussion.

I'm following this case because I think it's important to know just what we can
and can't do to defend ourselves. I saw a chart that shows the different scenarios depending on
which person was the aggressor and how it could have switched from Zimmerman to Martin and vice versa. It makes
a big difference on whether what happened falls under Stand Your Ground, regular self-defense, or
homicide.

I do apologize to Maxine R that it's gotten off topic, though.
The way the media purposely fanned the flames in this situation angers me, but I don't
blame Trayvon's parents for wanting answers.

[Priscilla]

I don't think so. WTH is quite a bit stronger.

Your other posts are basically telling her not to have an opinion.
I agree none of us were there and don't really know what happened, but I don't think you
have the right to tell her she's not entitled to try and work out theories just for the
sake of discussion.

I'm following this case because I think it's important to know just what we can
and can't do to defend ourselves. I saw a chart that shows the different scenarios depending on
which person was the aggressor and how it could have switched from Zimmerman to Martin and vice versa. It makes
a big difference on whether what happened falls under Stand Your Ground, regular self-defense, or
homicide.

I do apologize to Maxine R that it's gotten off topic, though.
The way the media purposely fanned the flames in this situation angers me, but I don't
blame Trayvon's parents for wanting answers.

I never said she could not have an opinion. I just suggested to let the justice system do its job. For instance, for spike lee to tweet zimmermans address( wrong zimmerman) is making a judgement already. That is simply what im saying. Making assumptions leads to violence.

[ducky]

I never said she could not have an opinion. I just suggested to let the justice system do its job. For instance, for spike lee to tweet zimmermans address( wrong zimmerman) is making a judgement already. That is simply what im saying. Making assumptions leads to violence.

I don't think anyone is stopping the justice system from doing its job here.
I'm still not making the connection between what the Black Panthers, Spike Lee, or the news
media have done to a local forum where people express their opinions and then
agree or disagree with those opinions.

Making assumptions doesn't lead to violence. Acting on those assumptions is what could
lead to violence, whether it be a group that puts a bounty on someone's head without
knowing all the facts or someone who thinks everyone wearing a hoodie must be up to no good.

[Robert Giacometti]

Here are recently released photos taken of Zimmerman minutes after the shooting.

http://gma.yahoo.com...topstories.html

[folsom500]

I have stayed out of this conversation from the start as I am not one to prejudge. I feel sympathy for Trevor and at the same time I want Zimmerman to get a fair trial.

With respect to the recent pictures of Zimmerman with the head wound- and knowing that Martin was not a wimp- is it possible that Martin when faced with a life threatening confrontation used his skills to tackle Zimmerman while fighting for his life ?


Or was it the opposite - the wanna be cop - on patrol with a loaded gun was the victim of the boy that had skittles and a drink in his hand and was frantic in his talk with a girl friend ...

I am not a football player but I can tell you that I would not hesitate to do whatever I could do to prevent being a victim...

Even with my comments- I am still on the fence about this - but I favor Martin's story over Zimmerman's

[nomad]

I have stayed out of this conversation from the start as I am not one to prejudge. I feel sympathy for Trevor and at the same time I want Zimmerman to get a fair trial.

With respect to the recent pictures of Zimmerman with the head wound- and knowing that Martin was not a wimp- is it possible that Martin when faced with a life threatening confrontation used his skills to tackle Zimmerman while fighting for his life ?


Or was it the opposite - the wanna be cop - on patrol with a loaded gun was the victim of the boy that had skittles and a drink in his hand and was frantic in his talk with a girl friend ...

I am not a football player but I can tell you that I would not hesitate to do whatever I could do to prevent being a victim...

Even with my comments- I am still on the fence about this - but I favor Martin's story over Zimmerman's

Martin really doesn't have a story to tell does he? He's dead.

[folsom500]

Martin really doesn't have a story to tell does he? He's dead.

He sure DOES - just think about it ...

[folsom500]

Now that Zimmerman is out on bail expect Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, the Black Panthers and other racist haters to call for a renewed manhunt to kill Zimmerman

That would be a shame- but considering the high profile of this case- it is NOT likely to happen...

[watsupwiththat@aol.com]

OMG! when I saw the title of this thread I was VERY concerned! I thought that the carjacker from Sacramento this morning had made it to Folsom, and we should all lock our doors-OR there was a large smell of natural gas coming from a Folsom neighborhood that was overwhelming, and we could have an explosion the size of the one in the bay area......
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! It was RACIST rant about Treyvon and Zimmerman (and it was Obama's fault because EVERYTHING is Obama's fault-DUH!)

MAN...what decade is this. I am white. I am not scared. I am disgusted at the hatred coming out about race black/white/purple STILL- I don't care. MOVE ON!

Steve Heard, you owned the thread. Good Job.

[Robert Giacometti]

I have stayed out of this conversation from the start as I am not one to prejudge. I feel sympathy for Trevor and at the same time I want Zimmerman to get a fair trial.

With respect to the recent pictures of Zimmerman with the head wound- and knowing that Martin was not a wimp- is it possible that Martin when faced with a life threatening confrontation used his skills to tackle Zimmerman while fighting for his life ?


Or was it the opposite - the wanna be cop - on patrol with a loaded gun was the victim of the boy that had skittles and a drink in his hand and was frantic in his talk with a girl friend ...

I am not a football player but I can tell you that I would not hesitate to do whatever I could do to prevent being a victim...

Even with my comments- I am still on the fence about this - but I favor Martin's story over Zimmerman's

Your scenario is kinda illogical.

How would've Martin be facing a life threatening situation? If Zimmerman had his gun out I suspect he would have shot at Martin before getting hit or way before Martin got close enough to hit him.

If someone pulls a gun on me the last thing I'm going to do is try and rush them. I'm thinking they had words and Martin felt he could take the shorter in stature Zimmerman and it was Martin who was the aggressor. Its NOT uncommon for some 17 year olds males who play football, to act this way. Lets NOT forget Martin had been suspended from school on a couple occassions and I don't think it was from chewing gum.

This picture of Zimmerman pretty much confirms some of what he claims.

Unless there are a LOT more facts that can be proven, I can't see how the prosecutor is going to prove guilty beyond any reasonable doubt for a conviction based upon we know.

Based upon what we know including these pictures, I wouldn't be surprised that a judge dismisses this before even going to a trial!

There are reasons why the Police didn't originally charge Zimmerman. I don't think it was because they liked him or because of skin color as some have tried to make this into.