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[cw68]

Yes and no. While I understand your position, I take exception with my vote being diluted by those who don't follow the rules.

Voter fraud happens less often than people being struck by lightening. It's like diluting a sea full of liquor by pour in one drop of water.

Another good read on the subject: http://www.brennance...ut_voter_fraud/

[Carl G]

Voter fraud happens less often than people being struck by lightening. It's like diluting a sea full of liquor by pour in one drop of water.

Another good read on the subject: http://www.brennance...ut_voter_fraud/

Your source is six years old.

Google "voter fraud convictions". It appears to be not all that uncommon.

Your vote may not mean much to you, but mine does to me.

[Homer]

Right. I'm from Chicago and we were force fed "Rules for Radicals" beginning from birth. That is actually laughable.

Alinksy wasn't EVER mentioned in my Eisenhower Republican household. My parents weren't from Chicago; they both grew up as unprivileged, rural poor whites in Illinois and West Virginia. I grew up in a town not disimilar from Folsom. Suggesting that I learned Alinsky, even associating me with him, is a huge stretch. I was raised in a very solidly Republican town (though oddly overwhelmingly Irish and Sicilian, not the usual Republicans) by the Greatest Generation. My father detested what the hippies stood for but was so proud and often praised that he fought for their freedom to be idiots because our rights were the most important thing. That has stuck with me. Rights above all. Equality for all.

I was kind of joking with you about the Chicago-Alinsky conection, I am well aware of the midwestern culture and temperment alot of my German relatives settled in Bloomington. As far as I.D's for voting i do think people should be required to show them, I'm just not ready to buy into the idea that no voter fraud exists, In a country of 300 million people no matter what you do theres going to be some amount fraud, Showing an I.D. minimizes this and i don't see providing the opportunity to people who are having troubble getting I.D.'s as an unsolvable issue.

[cw68]

Thanks for the links....I love this one.

“sure this goes on a lot in politics, but it’s very rare that they do get caught.” This voter was right on the money with that observation — fraud is so easy to commit in our election system that it is rare that fraudsters get caught and even rarer that they get prosecuted.

As for the constant liberal claims that voter fraud does not occur, one of the Democratic operatives who pled guilty, Anthony DeFiglio, told New York State police investigators “that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.” And whose votes do they steal? DeFiglio was very plain about that: “The people who are targeted live in low-income housing, and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/286557/yes-virginia-there-really-voter-fraud-hans-von-spakovsky

Showing IDs at the polls wouldn't solve absentee ballot fraud.

I hit the first result from that google link. In Texas in ten years there were TWO cases of voter impersonation. Voter IDs is a solution in search of a problem.

How the heck did my reply get posted on a different thread??

[cw68]

Thanks for the links....I love this one.

“sure this goes on a lot in politics, but it’s very rare that they do get caught.” This voter was right on the money with that observation — fraud is so easy to commit in our election system that it is rare that fraudsters get caught and even rarer that they get prosecuted.

As for the constant liberal claims that voter fraud does not occur, one of the Democratic operatives who pled guilty, Anthony DeFiglio, told New York State police investigators “that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.” And whose votes do they steal? DeFiglio was very plain about that: “The people who are targeted live in low-income housing, and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/286557/yes-virginia-there-really-voter-fraud-hans-von-spakovsky

Showing IDs at the polls wouldn't solve absentee ballot fraud.

I hit the first result from that google link. In Texas in ten years there were TWO cases of voter impersonation. Voter IDs is a solution in search of a problem.

Your vote may not mean much to you, but mine does to me.

What makes you think that my vote doesn't mean that much to me? Don't assume things about me. You're wrong.

[cw68]

I think you are down playing a problem that is probably more wide spread than is known. This is due to the fact that there are very few safe guards against fraudulent voting and fraudulent voters hardly get caught.

You are assuming no fraudulent voting is happening, but you have no way to prove your opinion.
There IS proof that it has gone on and that some people have been caught.

Now, you are saying that not enough people commit this crime to worry about it. I’m not buying it and apparently, not many others are either.

How do you KNOW there is nothing to worry about when we could be seeing only the tip of the iceberg? You don’t.

I think you are overplaying a problem that is probably less wide spread than you think. This is due to the fact that fraudulent voting carries big penalties and fraudulent voters hardly ever actually happen.

You are assuming massive amounts of fraudulent voting is is happening, but you have no way to prove your opinion.
There IS proof that, time and time again, claims of fraudulent voting is happening and when they investigate there are virtually no people to catch.

Now, you are saying that denying the right to vote to hundreds of thousands of American citizens isn't anything to worry about. I'm not buying it and apparently not many others are either.

How do you KNOW that there is something to worry about when we can't see ANY iceberg? You don't.

[UncleVinny]

Voter fraud happens less often than people being struck by lightening. It's like diluting a sea full of liquor by pour in one drop of water.

Now WHERE'D you get THAT analogy?
Think I'll drink to that one!



Gotta remember it for any of my future arguments.

Like one of my other favorites . . .
"A man riding by on horseback would never notice it."

[cw68]

Oh, and funny that those caught committing voter fraud were all Democrats!

Where's your proof for this claim?

And, I don't measure the whole entire country and it's judicial system based upon the tally from posters on MyFolsom. That is a weak argument. As I've said before, the courts have generally upheld my arguments.

Please find me proof of widespread voter fraud. Fear of something happening in the future is not a justifiable reason to deny people their rights.

As for my personal experiences, what kind of experiences are you talking about? I grew up in a mirror of Folsom, just in the Midwest in a much bigger metropolitan area. In fact, an area that had a problem of voter fraud thanks to The Machine. I know voter fraud. Requiring IDs isn't going to fix it.

[supermom]

Oh, and funny that those caught committing voter fraud were all Democrats!

Did you really just say that?

How quickly we forget the President Bush and Governor Bush Debacle in Florida. And in the same electoral, denying all soldiers stationed in Germany their votes to be counted... ( which included my vote.)

Voter fraud is not monopolized by party affiliation. Just crooked thinking.

[Carl G]

I guess it is not such a ploy after all.

Ark. lawmaker pleads guilty to election charge

State Rep. Hudson Hallum, 3 Others Plead Guilty To Election Fraud