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[zach5]

This really doesnt suprise me, I had Mr McEvoy as a teacher, and he seemed really cool, and really "close" with other teenagers, and I have heard rumors about this long before the charges were filed.

[Brett911]

In HS, I had a science teacher who was secretly dating one of his students. He was around 30 something and she was 16 or 17 at the time.

After she graduated, they got marrried and eventually had kids.

I venture to say this kind of stuff goes on often. It even goes on in college with professors dating their students. I have seen that too.

Why can't we just rest and wait to hear the facts? Reasonable, people, be reasonable.

[uberman]

whoa!  you may want to contact the PD and tell them about this - along with your friend.

Just a few weeks ago you were willing to bust some kids for smoking in their cars at the park - this is by far a more serious crime - this information would be very important to the investigation - give them a call, this time its serious.

He was acting strange with a certain lawlessness tone in his voice, nothing more, nothing to contribute to this case.

[mylo]

This thread already has 55 replies and 750 views

Thread from February, " 
What's going - female teachers & students .."

9 replies and 164 views

See what I mean about hypocrisy...

I dunno about hypocrisy.. I didn't read that thread because I just don't care that much about the rest of the world. This one affects me personally, as it's happening in my town, at a school where someday my daughter might go! That catches my attention a lot more than the female teacher, even though she was hot, story.

[EZ3iL]

Well this thread inspired me to sign up... I had mr mac freshman year and i loved him. He was my favorite teacher ever ive had. ive been in 2 clubs that he supervised "Snowboading club" and "ACLU club" he is very intelligent. I honestly believe he is innocent. The is no way he would ever force him self onto a girl. You guys are going on about how scumbaggy he is and these evil things he's done. You dont even know if its true. all there is is one girls accusation of him of innapropriate acts. For all i know she could be mad because he graded her paper wrong or something of that nature and though she would get him back. I feel so bad for him because either way guilty or not his life is ruined and theres nothing he can do about it.

[Farley]

Well this thread inspired me to sign up... I had mr mac freshman year and i loved him. He was my favorite teacher ever ive had. ive been in 2 clubs that he supervised "Snowboading club" and "ACLU club"  he is very intelligent. I honestly believe he is innocent. The is no way he would ever force him self onto a girl. You guys are going on about how scumbaggy he is and these evil things he's done. You dont even know if its true. all there is is one girls accusation of him of innapropriate acts. For all i know she could be mad because he graded her paper wrong or something of that nature and though she would get him back.  I feel so bad for him because either way guilty or not his life is ruined and theres nothing he can do about it.

EZ your post makes me feel ok about relating a personal experience. I began teaching high school when I was in my early 20's. Unfortunately I had the uncomfortable experience of having some high school girls develop crushes on me. I got love notes and some came around my classroom when ever they could. I, too, was a popular teacher with both sexes. Football players liked to come around and just chat as well as some of these smitten girls.

One day driving home from school, I happened to look in my rear view mirror and one of my teenage female students was following me on the freeway. I drove faster, made some devious turns, went a different route, and finally lost her. But I got home and quickly put my car in the garage just in case.

Anyway a girl told her father I did not keep my hands to myself in the classroom. (Please remember I am gay and was a gay man long before I started teaching. I have never had an interest in females.) So her father comes to the school and makes all kinds of accuastions. My principal was very supportive of me as I was doing a good job in the classroom. To satisfy the parent, an adult was allowed to sit in my classroom for a week or two to observe me teaching. Talk about an insult. Fortunately I was lucky, the observer said everything seemed fine to him.

The accusation was dropped and it never left the school, no police and no newspapers. Though this happened about 40 years ago, I still remember the girl's name. But my life or career were not harmed. I retired after 30 years of teaching.

[randb]

Farley, I can't remember from previous conversations, but did you say you being a gay man was known to the school or not?

[Farley]

Farley,  I can't remember from previous conversations, but did you say you being a gay man was known to the school or not?

It was not known to the school in the 1960's and 1970's due to societal attitudes; therefore, there was a real need to be closeted and hidden.

It was know to the school in the 1980's and 1990's because homosexuality itself had come out of the "closet", and the great fear of someone finding out was beginning to go away.

[unknown99]

nice of all you to convict him before a court of law has. how truly un-american you are.

of course, you all know that the motivation for this girl coming forward now is perfectly altruistic. of course.

and his alleged actions make him a scum-bag. wow. i hope you are not judged in the same way prior to being found guilty.

interesting side-note - odd how many people are willing to convict someone of something, yet how little people are willing to serve on a jury.

at least let the courts do their job before ruining this man's reputation. i hope if he is innocent that you use the same vigor to restore his reputation.

[folsom500]

My Older Brother was accused of inappropriate touching of three girls that he taught in the high school marching band some 30 years ago. The 3 were all best friends and all three turned out to be below average students that were not going to be allowed to continue in the marching band because of their grades on the Music and academic portions of the class.

I could go on about this- but despite what came out- my brother was charged and lost his teaching credential in a trial that even the local press said was dubious...

He still works with Drum and Bugle corps today as a judge and music arranger, but lost the better part of his life as a teacher over false and misleading charges.

So IT DOES happen and it is a sorry state when a girl can accuse a teacher of wrong doing with no facts to back it up.

I am not saying that is what has happened here- just that the Judge and jury need to sort it out and others need to quit their spurious accusations until the facts are known.


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[Terry]

In HS, I had a science teacher who was secretly dating one of his students.  He was around 30 something and she was 16 or 17 at the time.

After she graduated, they got marrried and eventually had kids.

I venture to say this kind of stuff goes on often.  It even goes on in college with professors dating their students.  I have seen that too.

Why can't we just rest and wait to hear the facts? Reasonable, people, be reasonable.

From my recollection, this has happaned in the 50s and 60s in Folsom and neighboring communties' high schools. I know of two students locally who were dating high school teachers (in the 50s, 60s) and ended up marrying, having children, etc. These examples are far different than the crime ALLEGED IN THIS THREAD.

That being said, I'm going to make a disclosure here that may be pretty unpopular, but I would venture to say that when I was 17 or 18 and in high school, I believe that I (or any of several of my friends) could have EASILY enticed young, single teachers to become involved in a "relationship".

By no means am I saying that teachers should not be held to a high standard, but I am saying that teenagers get themselves to some of their own troubles and do need to be held accountable for bad decisions. We don't know in this particular case any of the details. There are a lot of permutations that a "relationship" can take. Granted, California law specifies sex crimes and the partyies ages thereto.

Again, remembering back to when I was 17 or 18, I made decisions that were probably not very good (not in the teacher-student relationship area), but I don't remember trying to blame it on someone else. Well, I probably tried to at first, but ultimately I knew my own fault in whatever it was I chose to do.

[tessieca]

Speaking of 60s and 70s, my brother was a victim of statutory rape (although I'm not sure it would have been defined as such) when he was in 8th grade. It was a male teacher who was the perpetrator. He was gay already, but had not acted sexually until his encounters with this teacher. My parents only found out about five years later, so they did not press charges or hold the school accountable.

[Farley]

Speaking of 60s and 70s, my brother was a victim of statutory rape (although I'm not sure it would have been defined as such) when he was in 8th grade.  It was a male teacher who was the perpetrator.  He was gay already, but had not acted sexually until his encounters with this teacher.  My parents only found out about five years later, so they did not press charges or hold the school accountable.

It is interesting that you say your brother was gay already by the 8th grade even though he never acted on it.

I was gay from birth, and in my elementary school years I was molested twice by two different men. One of the men worked with my dad and our family was out at a Company picnic. I never told anyone, because I guess it did not seem wrong at the time. The other time was by a relative. However, it would be some years later before I acted on my own gayness.

[bordercolliefan]

Apologies for coming to this discussion late.

A question: The Bee said the girl alleged "forced oral copulation." Without wanting to seem naive (ok, maybe I am), doesn't this seem like an odd accusation? How can this even happen?

Farley, you are totally right about girls developing crushes on male teachers. I was never lucky enough to have such a good-looking teacher, but my sister got a tremendous crush on one of her high school teachers. She was always writing notes to him, writing about him in a journal, following him around, and trying to "help" him after school. Nothing ever came of it, but I could easily see how that could create a bad situation.

Still, I do believe there should be a zero tolerance policy of romantic fraternization between students and teachers, just because teens do have such bad judgment.

[tessieca]

Without getting too graphic, it can easily happen that someone has "forced" oral copulation. Force can be done by means of fear and threats as well as physical force. That particular allegation alone takes away the arguments about possible voluntary relations and fraternization. If it's true . . .