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[anonymous]

Well said MSgt!!!!!

and To be honest, look at who have been the ones who hijack the whole forum since 2004. 

well put. Lets look at the situation here. There are apparently 3 homosexual men on myfolsom.com. there are 1500 registered users plus any number of persons who remain anonymous. 3 out of 1500 is not a significant % so it's really no wonder that the thread is not about gay history, gay appreciation, gay coming out day or any other gay issue. 1497 people here just really don't care about these things. I suspect that is also the attitude of the overall folsom community also so it should not come as any surprise that the people here want topics like this to cease.

[FatCat]

well put.  Lets look at the situation here.  There are apparently 3 homosexual men on myfolsom.com.  there are 1500 registered users plus any number of persons who remain anonymous.  3 out of 1500 is not a significant % so it's really no wonder that the thread is not about gay history, gay appreciation, gay coming out day or any other gay issue.  1497 people here just really don't  care about these things.  I suspect that is also the attitude of the overall folsom community also so it should not come as any surprise that the people here want topics like this to cease. :

bravo to Mr. Anonymous for mathematically making a very good point--maybe we should put the whole subject up to some kind of vote !!

[MSgt]

Describe exactly where any gay person on this forum has described a single thing about his/her sex life, what goes on in the bedroom, etc, etc.  No one has said a single thing about his/her PRIVATE life except for the fact that he/she is gay.

Saying one is gay is a far, far cry from describing one's private life.

That is where we disagree. Continuously discussing gay things does describe your private life. You have to be able to see the difference. No one here is starting threads about National Marriage Day, national Marriage Pride Month, or National "Staying In" day (sorry couldn't find anything to fit).
To me is like shouting, "I'm gay and there is nothing you can do about it"! "Look at me, I am gay!" Gay, Gay, Gay and if you don't like it stick it where the sun don't shine until you do!
Why do I have to accept you because you are gay? Why can't I just accept you because you’re a nice guy? Why does your sexual behavior have to dictate who you are?
I guess I don't get it because of the book thing... It's the book thing isn't it?... I knew it; it's that book thing.

[benning]

well put.  Lets look at the situation here.  There are apparently 3 homosexual men on myfolsom.com.  there are 1500 registered users plus any number of persons who remain anonymous.  3 out of 1500 is not a significant % so it's really no wonder that the thread is not about gay history, gay appreciation, gay coming out day or any other gay issue.  1497 people here just really don't  care about these things.  I suspect that is also the attitude of the overall folsom community also so it should not come as any surprise that the people here want topics like this to cease.

There are way more than 3 gay people on this forum. About 10% of any population is gay. Just because someone comments in the poker discussion (pardon any inuendo, I'm really just trying to make a point, oops there I go again) doesn't mean they are the only ones who play poker.

Also, gay people have legitimate recognition, discrimination and civil rights issues that are ongoing. It's really really not about trying to gross you people out.

Your last sentence scares me and leads me to believe they have a long way to go until they're recognized as just people who happen to be different, which is what they want.

[mylo]

So, is anyone here actually going to come-out next week? or are we just talking about it for the fun of it?

[Farley]

Well said MSgt!!!!!

and To be honest, look at who have been the ones who hijack the whole forum since 2004. 

Why thanks for the compliment. Of course it is totally untrue. Sounds like a little bit of jealousy to me.

Just look at all the topics and posts that have come from Farley, Folsom 500, and swmr and you will see they are all not about "gay"

How can someone hijack the whole forum? Please explain. It takes an awful lot of participation from forum members to get threads into the 1,000 plus posts. It is good that the internet keeps such good records so we can go back and check for accuracy.

[Farley]

So, is anyone here actually going to come-out next week? or are we just talking about it for the fun of it?

Wouldn't that be great! Let's hope on Tuesday Oct. 11 some one does.

[cybertrano]

I am sorry but 10% is so much BS. Where is the proof of your 10%? I know for sure that it's about 2%.

I can really say that about 20% of the population in the US are Vietnamese.

There are way more than 3 gay people on this forum.  About 10% of any population is gay.  Just because someone comments in the poker discussion (pardon any inuendo, I'm really just trying to make a point, oops there I go again) doesn't mean they are the only ones who play poker. 

Also, gay people have legitimate recognition, discrimination and civil rights issues that are ongoing.  It's really really not about trying to gross you people out. 

Your last sentence scares me and leads me to believe they have a long way to go until they're recognized as just people who happen to be different, which is what they want.

[ngilbert]

Wouldn't that be great!  Let's hope on Tuesday Oct. 11 some one does.

Hmmm. Okay. I promise to stay on topic (unless someone mentions cilantro soup), but I do have a question for anyone with more knowledge about this than me (ie anyone)

Is Coming Out Day more like a tongue-in-cheek kind of celebration day, or is it actually seriously designed as a day set aside for closeted gay people to, you know, come out of the closet - that is, tell their friends and family that they are gay?

If so, how's that working out? Do people actually come out of the closet on Coming Out day?

I mean, it seems like a pretty personal decision for starters, and of course there's the whole debate in the gay community about how right or wrong it is to "out" someone who isn't comfortable coming forward themselves - or even pressuring them to do so. But it doesn't seem likely to me that, once someone decides to get up the courage to tell people that they are gay, that they'd then wait until October 11th to do it.

I just can't see anyone saying "Mom, Dad. I've got something I need to tell you. But it's going to have to wait until Gay Coming Out Day. And don't try to guess what it is either."

Maybe it's a generational thing too. I don't have numbers, but, for older generations, your homosexuality was much more likely something you'd keep secret, for obvious reasons. But today I'd say most young gay adults in ther 20's and 30's are more open about their sexuality or at least no more or less secretive about it than straight people, so the act of "coming out" seems almost quaint.

I may be wrong though. Probably am.

[ngilbert]

I am sorry but 10% is so much BS.  Where is the proof of your 10%?  I know for sure that it's about 2%. 

I can really say that about 20% of the population in the US are Vietnamese.

I think it's the Kinsey study, but I think that was counting bisexuals and I'm still not sure how he was able to accurately sample that. Call 1000 randomly-selected people and ask them if they are gay? The gay people who'd probably say "F* off! How did you get my number?" (this was the 50's remember) and the straight people would probably say "Oh yes, I'm extremely gay", just as a joke.

Yeah, I'd say about 10% of the people I know are gay. But then that doesn't prove much... just that gay people tend to hang around me like flames to a moth[rimshot!- thank you thank you. I'm here all week]

ps: About 5% of the people I know are Vietnamese. It might be more. Maybe some of them are in the closet.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

I'm afraid so. Having a gay awareness day during a gay awareness month is idiotic

We have a Secretary's Day within Secretary's Appreciation Week.

[Farley]

Hmmm. Okay. I promise to stay on topic (unless someone mentions cilantro soup), but I do have a question for anyone with more knowledge about this than me (ie anyone)

Is Coming Out Day more like a tongue-in-cheek kind of celebration day, or is it actually seriously designed as a day set aside for closeted gay people to, you know, come out of the closet - that is, tell their friends and family that they are gay?

If so, how's that working out? Do people actually come out of the closet on Coming Out day?
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Yes, People actually come out on National Coming Out Day...Probably more in the past than now, because, as you know, high schoolers are already coming out.  Generally years ago people came out later like I did at age 22.

Also movie stars and politicians stayed in the closet for their careers, but being gay is no longer the impediment that it used to be.  Look at state and federal governments and you will find some elected politicians.

Obviously it is a pretty personal situation.  Some have said that one is never fully finished coming out.  In general though, most gay people know they are gay long before they ever come out.

I won't tell any tales, but several people on this forum have private messaged me about their gay siblings, cousins, friends, etc.  I have been asked such questions as how should they handle it now that so and so has come out.  It is wrong for people to assume that some good things are not happening off of the public forum because of some of these threads.

There is still a pretty big stigma attached to the word "gay" so I guess people will be coming out at all ages and stages of life.

It is wrong to "out" someone until he/she outs him/her self.  Unless using the Barney Frank method of only outing politicians who hurt other gays.

It is kind of sad that we know so many married men in Folsom who are bi-.  We will be friends with them but nothing else.  Still I wish they would come out rather than cheat on their wives and children.  But it is their life and their choice.  We will be supportive, but not get involved.

You are at least able to ask which I think is a good thing.

[ngilbert]

We have a Secretary's Day within Secretary's Appreciation Week. 

And to add insult to injury, secretaries have to work on Secretary's Day too. What's that all about? Give your secretary the whole week off I say. Then you'll *really* appreciate them.

[cybertrano]

About 2%.

Another indirect method is to say that if 10% of the population are gay then the Democratic Party should be the majority party and should be winning all elections. Because 12 to 15% of the pop. are African Americans and another 10% are gay then the Dem. should be a very formidable force which is not the case.

Yeah, I'd say about 10% of the people I know are gay. But then that doesn't prove much... just that gay people tend to hang around me like flames to a moth[rimshot!- thank you thank you. I'm here all week]

ps: About 5% of the people I know are Vietnamese. It might be more. Maybe some of them are in the closet. 

[swmr545]

Hmmm. Okay. I promise to stay on topic (unless someone mentions cilantro soup), but I do have a question for anyone with more knowledge about this than me (ie anyone)

Is Coming Out Day more like a tongue-in-cheek kind of celebration day, or is it actually seriously designed as a day set aside for closeted gay people to, you know, come out of the closet - that is, tell their friends and family that they are gay?

If so, how's that working out? Do people actually come out of the closet on Coming Out day?

I mean, it seems like a pretty personal decision for starters, and of course there's the whole debate in the gay community about how right or wrong it is to "out" someone who isn't comfortable coming forward themselves - or even pressuring them to do so. But it doesn't seem likely to me that, once someone decides to get up the courage to tell people that they are gay, that they'd then wait until October 11th to do it.

I just can't see anyone saying "Mom, Dad. I've got something I need to tell you. But it's going to have to wait until Gay Coming Out Day. And don't try to guess what it is either." 

Maybe it's a generational thing too. I don't have numbers, but, for older generations, your homosexuality was much more likely something you'd keep secret, for obvious reasons. But today I'd say most young gay adults in ther 20's and 30's are more open about their sexuality or at least no more or less secretive about it than straight people, so the act of "coming out" seems almost quaint.

I may be wrong though. Probably am.

As farley said, many people do come out on National Coming Out Day.