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[EDF]

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone thinks we should hold cops to a higher standard. How about firefighters? Doctors? Garbage men? Librarians? Why don't we all hold EACH OTHER to a higher standard, and we wouldn't have all the problems we currently have. Why does it make it okay for a person not in law enforcement behave differently than one who is?

Laws are created by society to prevent or punish knuckleheads for doing obviously stupid $%#&! Just because of your profession, I don't think that sets your status on accountability. How about being a human being??? Why shouldn't that be the bar?

Mike...

this guy is in "law enforcement"... and if you let this slide... then... maybe I shouldn't have gotten a stinkin ticket for doing a "california rolling stop" at a stop sign....

or maybe that SO from Sac should have been arrested on the spot like every other Tom,Dick and Harry, instead of getting a "professional courtesey" from that Roseville PD... which then costs him some grief in his PD... remember that one...

I'm in real estate and if I want to sell or purchase a property for my own account, we have laws and ethics that hold me to a "higher standard'....

we're talking about respect for our institutions... and as an old bastard... I'm having less and less of it...

I used to respect Judges until I got into property management and saw how they twist the law to further their agenda of placing the homeless burden on the backs of "landlords" who are like you and me.... just investing in some real estate...

so... yea... this guy should be fired... but let him keep his retirement... otherwise... you're gonna get a newer generation that thinks they get several "do overs" when they make a wrong decision....

Sorry dude... you are wrong on this one...

[Dave Burrell]

Maybe he's got an illegal refinery in his garage (a lot of people do today).

-Robert

hey I read your post about home refinery's and laws.... that's amazing you can't even make it yourself, do similar laws like that also apply to people who are making wine at home?

[Robert Gary]

Either way--it doesn't matter much. Like I said before, the article does not give enough info for this to be a credible story until more info comes to light.

I say--move on..........

To be a credible story it only has to be factual. It is a fact of public record that several Folsom PD members were arrested. That is newsworthy in itself. If we had to wait until after trial before printing anything in the newspaper we'd be reading news years old.

As the parent of teenagers I have a simple test to determine if I think this is a big deal. The question is; did they know they were doing something wrong when they took the grease?

-Robert

[mylo]

If Sac Rendering is paid, they have no loss. Show me a contract that indicates they are guaranteed a certain volume of used oil per week? If the owner wants to give the stuff away, no crime.

I'm really tempted to call Sac Rendering and get the details of their deal, but you can't be serious that if they're paid a flat fee to pickup there's no loss. Do you think they eat the grease themselves? or flush it down the toilet? It's a valuable asset. They refine it or resell it FOR PROFIT. If they say it's worth $350 that's probably the price they could sell it for.

[mylo]

hey I read your post about home refinery's and laws.... that's amazing you can't even make it yourself, do similar laws like that also apply to people who are making wine at home?

Yes. You are limited by quantity. IIRC, it's around 200 gallons per year. Oh, and you're not allowed to sell it.

[Dave Burrell]

The USDA publishes commodities market prices, including yellow grease:
http://www.ams.usda....ts/jo_gr225.txt

It simply isn't trash!

There's an entire market in the sale, transport, refining, and resale of used cooking oil for various purposes including feedstock and biofuel.

Entire companies are based around the economy of these markets. Stealing grease is a crime that has direct financial impact on these companies. There are laws specifically written to protect this industry.

Stop calling it "useless trash". Just because you don't want it, doesn't mean it's not valuable.

Regarding your comment of "I'd be willing to bet big money that if anyone here accidentally got any of this muck on themselves, they'd be pissed."... I'd be pissed if someone spilled crude oil on me, but that doesn't make it worth less than the $80/barrel the commodities markets currently price it.

I wish you'd get this worked up over over our corrupt politicians who are stealing substantially higher valued items in the form of our tax dollars

[Robert Gary]

hey I read your post about home refinery's and laws.... that's amazing you can't even make it yourself, do similar laws like that also apply to people who are making wine at home?

If you are selling wine I know you have to at least be licensed by the city because you are producing something for human consumption (i.e. the health inspector needs to visit you etc).

The issue with refining is two parts. First, its dangerous because you are dealing with things that can burn and explode. Second, there are environmental consequences to producing fuels. How much of this is real and how much is just gov't can be debated but there are several agencies that would need to license you to produce fuels. The law does not seem to dinstinguish between a giant gas refinery and a guy in his house making fry oil gas. It may also be a case of the law being behind the times.

-Robert

[mylo]

I wish you'd get this worked up over over our corrupt politicians who are stealing substantially higher valued items in the form of our tax dollars[/b]

Oh, I do, just not on here. I try to stay out of the politics forums of MyFolsom.

I do have a special hatred in my heart for thieves. I think theft is one of the worst crimes possible. Murder, of course, being theft of life.

[Robert Gary]

Yes. You are limited by quantity. IIRC, it's around 200 gallons per year. Oh, and you're not allowed to sell it.

200 gals wouldn't get you far . I would be interested in seeing a reference to this rule though because I know its been a big deal for certain environmentalist who want to make their own fuels.

-Robert

[Dave Burrell]

Ok, so you are not arguing that he stole the grease and that stealing anything is wrong, you are arguing the severity of the crime given the value of the grease?

I would say that even if it were worthless its a big deal when a group of peace officers, in trusted by the public, get together and steal things. The fact that they are peace officers makes this a serious crime in my opinion. The fact that it appears coordinated (not just one guy) makes it more serious and likely shows a culture problem in the department.

-Robert

yes exactly. I'm arguing the severity of the crime given the value - thank you. thats all I've been trying to convey. Yes it is a crime and yes they should be punished slightly but I don't think this should even be public and the punishment nothing more then a slap on the hand misdemeanor, pay your fine, life goes on - as would happen with any normal citizen

[ChipShot]

I wish you'd get this worked up over over our corrupt politicians who are stealing substantially higher valued items in the form of our tax dollars

I find it very important that those who carry a badge and a gun should abide by the laws that they have taken an oath to uphold. We should have Zero-tolerance for dishonesty/criminality among law enforcement.

BTW, can you lay-off the bolding??

[Dave Burrell]

Unfortunately, it's all too common in law enforcement these days.

yeah, what was it you posted earlier? you don't hate cops... right, not at all...

[Dave Burrell]

Given that he turned himself in months after the crime, I personally assume that there is other evidence (video, etc.) that Malabar likely provided. Complete assumption, but it's got to be more than a random 3rd party recycler accusing you to get you arrested.

that's what I've been trying to determine...

[ChipShot]

yeah, what was it you posted earlier? you don't hate cops... right, not at all...

Do you have ADD??

I don't hate all cops, but I do hate the dishonest, corrupt ones.

[mylo]

200 gals wouldn't get you far . I would be interested in seeing a reference to this rule though because I know its been a big deal for certain environmentalist who want to make their own fuels.

From: http://edocket.acces.../27cfr24.75.htm

(a) General. Any adult may, without payment of tax, produce wine for
personal or family use and not for sale.
(b) Quantity. The aggregate amount of wine that may be produced
exempt from tax with respect to any household may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year for a household in which two or
more adults reside, or
(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult
residing in the household.