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#121 Carl G

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:19 PM

QUOTE (Sue @ Apr 14 2009, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW, the Sacramento Bee says the Sacramento County DA is investigating, so hopefully the truth will come out, one way or another. I also heard 3 officers, 3 shots, but only 2 officers shot their guns.

True - The Sac DA was there, and I believe a Sac County Sheriff went around to the neighbors homes asking what they saw / heard.

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:21 PM

QUOTE (h2831 @ Apr 14 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Joseph was a smart, witty, funny, sensitive, creative person--full of big dreams. He was a great friend and loving older brother and son. He graduated with a degree in criminology from UC Irvine and helped his parents out with their family business. As far as I know, he has no criminal record nor any run in's with the law. He was a great kid, with a full life ahead of him. I know that he will be missed by the many people that loved him.

Thank you for this. I do believe that Joseph had quite a positive effect on his friends. While I didn't count, I believe there were something close to thirty young adults there Sunday afternoon, and probably 10 or more adults.

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 09:45 PM

There seems to be a lot of chatter about the size of the knife used in this incident. I would recommend that before you judge, go out to Folsom State Prison and tour the history museum. It is filled with knives made from paper, tooth brushes, and other house hold items. Each one of them capable of killing.

Our prisons are filled with people that where just "having a bad day" and instead of just chilling, chose to take it out on someone they love or someone they did not even know.

I refuse to judge the men and women who have made it their mission to stand between me and those having a bad day. They are hero's and are sometimes placed into situations that require life/death decisions and it is usually in the blink of an eye.

With that said, I am sorry for the young man that lost his life! I am sorry for his family's loss. I am sorry that our police department had to go through this horrible incident.

As a community we should rally behind the family and our police department for healing.

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 05:52 AM

beautifally said........................

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 11:24 AM

+100,000,000...
QUOTE (firemedic24 @ Apr 14 2009, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There seems to be a lot of chatter about the size of the knife used in this incident. I would recommend that before you judge, go out to Folsom State Prison and tour the history museum. It is filled with knives made from paper, tooth brushes, and other house hold items. Each one of them capable of killing.

Our prisons are filled with people that where just "having a bad day" and instead of just chilling, chose to take it out on someone they love or someone they did not even know.

I refuse to judge the men and women who have made it their mission to stand between me and those having a bad day. They are hero's and are sometimes placed into situations that require life/death decisions and it is usually in the blink of an eye.

With that said, I am sorry for the young man that lost his life! I am sorry for his family's loss. I am sorry that our police department had to go through this horrible incident.

As a community we should rally behind the family and our police department for healing.



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Posted 19 April 2009 - 09:39 AM

QUOTE (chris v @ Apr 12 2009, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While it does suck that it had to happen that way, I'm sure the police did what they had to do.


Why are YOU sure the Police had to do that??? Im not! Are you an expert??

Oh what, Rookie Folsom Police officers don't make mistakes?

The family called for help with a distressed family member in their home; not to dismantle an emotionally member by killing him!!!!

Let's hope you don't have any need to call the police to difuse a domestic situation- They might do the "right thing" and shoot a loved one!

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 09:44 AM

QUOTE (h2831 @ Apr 14 2009, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know for a fact that the blade was only 4 inches long. It was a swiss army knife. However, I do agree, any knife is still dangerous.



Oh, so i guess all the evidence is out and you know exactly what happenned and with the exact type of knife! And you must have pictures of the knife too????

A rock, brick or bat is dangerous too!



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Posted 19 April 2009 - 10:59 AM

Someone needs to take a chill pill today. So angry considering it is a beautiful Sunday outside.

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 11:56 AM

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Someone needs to take a chill pill today. So angry considering it is a beautiful Sunday outside.


Like Prozac or something? I would rather enjoy the beautiful day naturally

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Posted 19 April 2009 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (SunshineServices @ Apr 12 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FOLSOM, Calif. -- A witness reports that a man was fatally shot by Folsom police during an altercation Sunday morning.

The shooting happened in the 100 block of Elkin Circle in Folsom.

Police said they responded to a call from the family at the residence at about 10:30 a.m.

Officials said scene was very volatile. Details surrounding the shooting were not immediately available.

No other injuries were reported.

Stay with KCRA.com and KCRA 3 Reports at 5 p.m. for the latest on this developing story.


I just wanted to say that I will be praying for the family for their loss, and the officers who have to live with the fact that they killed someone which would be very difficult to deal with, even if its done for the protection of others. I was not there so I am not judging anyone in this situation.
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 06:48 AM

QUOTE (20 Years @ Apr 19 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why are YOU sure the Police had to do that??? Im not! Are you an expert??

Oh what, Rookie Folsom Police officers don't make mistakes?

The family called for help with a distressed family member in their home; not to dismantle an emotionally member by killing him!!!!

Let's hope you don't have any need to call the police to difuse a domestic situation- They might do the "right thing" and shoot a loved one!



why are YOU so sure they didn't have to do that? I'm not! Are you an expert???

Lets hope they don't have to deal with loud mouth citizens who weren't there and like to spout off as if they know everything.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 06:49 AM

QUOTE (Drooling Darryl @ Apr 19 2009, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
+1000!


So Darryl, were you and your alter ego "20 years" both in the room with the guy and the police when this all went down???

Didn't think so

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 01:00 PM

Moved from: What Really Happened To Joseph Han?


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I've heard so many conflicting stories about the events of easter sunday. Does anyone know the whole story? What he on drugs? Did he have an 8 inch knife of a pocket knife? This whole situation is terrible and I find myself conflicted on the issue. If anyone could clear it up that would be awesome.

Thanks!

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Just give Kudos and Thanks to the Folsom PD for "doing what they had to do."

As far as the facts, we may never know. They did hold a vigil in the park yesterday for the slain boy.
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Posted 20 April 2009 - 01:51 PM

QUOTE (Drooling Darryl @ Apr 13 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a tragedy.. (EDITED).. These guys are seasoned experts at breaking up high school parties and chasing kids smoking weed in the park, but any time a real crime seems to happen in this town, "folsoms finest" seems to make them self look more bumbling, incompetent, and in this case, overzealous and trigger happy.. These guys wanted to feel important and pretend theyre on tv, and one persons life is over and an entire familys life is ruined.. Asking for assistance in diffusing a domestic situation and blowing away a 23 year old that locked himself in his room im a big difference.. These officers should be put jail for a long time.. was several shots to the chest necessary for a man with only a knife? If these guys had any training in real crimes, or knew what they were doing, then they would have used one of countless other techniques that doesnt involve ending a mentally disturbed mans life.. Would Sac PD have had this problem?
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QUOTE (Drooling Darryl @ Apr 13 2009, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you for the insightful information about the dangers of knives.. As someone who has worked in security for several years, and have been personally been attacked with a knife and had nothing more than my fists and pepper spray to protect myself with, i clearly and throughly understand the dangers of knives.. However, Officers are instructed to use as little force as neccessary in situations like these.. Swat should have been dispatched, and a negotiator or someone who knew what they were doing should have been called in to calm the man down.. While shooting the man may have been the more exciting and convientient way to handle the situation for these "officers with 35+ years experience", .. Mortally wounding this man shouldnt have been their method to diffuse the situation.. The information (or lack thereof) despite the fact that there were an entire family of witnesses witnesses is disturbing to me.. You may choose to take folsom pd at their word, but as someone who has been a resident of folsom for 14 years and knows better, I choose not..


Awful lot of douchebaggery here. Actually, officers are trained to respond with the next higher level of force within the escalation of force continuum. You resist, I go hands on or pepper spray or taser. You raise your fists in a fighting stance, I go to the stick and break your hands. You brandish a knife, I go to the gun.

From a holster, the minimum distance between an officer and attacker armed with a knife is 21 feet. Anything less than that and the officer won't be able to draw, fire and stop the threat before being struck with the knife.

Mere brandishing of a knife would result in guns breaking leather, but shots wouldn't be fired unless there was an overt threatening movement made against the officer. Officers had been warned by FAMILY the subject was armed. Crazy people are like wild animals. They are dangerous and unpredictable and cannot be reasoned with.

You say you think the officers wanted to make it like a TV show and your "security experience" has somehow prepared you for this scenario. Let me make a couple of observations. 1) You're the one who has been paying too much attention to TV and movies, because "dispatching swat" isn't an option in these kinds of scenarios. 2) There is a reason you work unarmed security and not law enforcement. 3) Your user name now makes sense.

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Posted 20 April 2009 - 02:06 PM

its bad for everyone, no doubt. I remember something like this happened a few years back in El Dorado Hills. A 20-something young man with mental illness was causing trouble at home and his family called the police. When the guy came out with a water pistol or something, he ended up being shot and killed. In that case, a gun of any kind would reasonably evoke a gunshot back by police. I wonder, though, if this guy in Folsom just had a knife, why couldn't there be a policy to shoot him in the leg or something to drop him, rather than use lethal force.

Police have to protect themselves, that is for sure. I would never want to have to make that judgement call.
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