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#121 Folsom Guy

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE (davburr @ May 25 2010, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I gotta call BS on all the slams against the Folsom PD in this thread... why do you guys dislike them so much? I have to assume doj_gal just hates her job and is tired of dealing with PD and is still mad that they didn't catch the guy who hit her co-worker with the bottle.... but where are you coming from with BS statements like this against the PD?

You people act like they should standing guard 10 feet from you 24/7 - and not giving out those dreaded traffic tickets (at least to you)

I've called the FPD twice in the 5 years I've been here, both times they arrived within less then 1-2 minutes. I can't ask for any better service then that.

I responded to a post about FPD's perception...I am not into BSing....

I am basing and stating my opinions based on my perceptions....

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 02:17 PM

QUOTE (Fowler @ May 25 2010, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My two cents on this topic that is totally off topic...
I live near a school, I see FPD parked nearby regularly during peak school times. When they aren't there - crazy mom's drive like idiots down my street - not FPD's fault. I also see them parked on Montrose (not what I would call "cuddly 'hoods") Oh, and I also see them sitting in entrances to parking lots along E. Bidwell, watching out for the crazies. And I am assuming these would be the traffic officers, which probably means that their primary concern from day to day is traffic.

I drive near schools and rarely ever see any cop during drop-off/pick-up hours....in fact I hate it when folks desperately and angrily tailgate me when I drive at 25 mph. But, then, as soon as I turn into a 'hood 2-3 miles away - there I see a cop car...hiding and laying a trap to catch somebody who's no danger to anybody. And I go - dude, why aren't you around the school?

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 02:28 PM

There are so many helicopter parents in folsom, which means there isn't very much carpooling, which means intense traffic twice a day, in front of every school.

How the heck do you think cops can manuever through that?

Get Real!

Sheesh....Spring time, people start playing hooky from work.... and then bang!!, lots of complaints about cops "laying in wait"!!


Ha ha ha!!!!!


We know why you are complaining.....

Does your boss know you really aren't sick today?!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 02:51 PM

Hope this is not a sign of what is to come for Folsom's WalMart manager.....

http://www.king5.com...r-94864139.html

Walmart worker fired for stopping shoplifter

by JUSTIN KRAEMER / KSNW
KING5.com

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 1:52 PM

A Kansas Walmart worker hailed as a hero for stopping a shoplifter was fired Saturday

Walmart refuses to comment, but Heather Ravenstein says she was told she was being let go because of her actions in the shoplifting episode.

"My stomach started turning instantly," said Ravenstein. "I was like 'Are you serious?' I couldn't believe it. I was trying to save them money and this is what happens to me."

Ravenstein saw a suspect with a computer in his shopping cart roll out the front door of the Walmart on Friday night.

She was suspicious because the computer had security wire still wrapped around it.

Ravenstein says the man refused to show a receipt.

"I just grabbed a hold of it and wasn't letting go," said Ravenstein. "I wasn't going to let him get away with a $600 computer."

Wichita Police say the suspect started to punch and kick Ravenstein before jumping into a waiting car and speeding away.

Ravenstein has a small bruise on her shoulder but was otherwise uninjured.

At first, Ravenstein says managers at Wal-Mart praised her for stopping the shoplifter.

"They said 'good job'," said Ravenstein. "The store manager came and talked to me and said 'Good job. You need to be more careful next time. We appreciate you trying to protect our assets.' I was like 'Yeah, I'm not going to do it again.''"

Everything changed Saturday when Ravenstein showed up for her shift.

She says after her lunch break she was sent to a back room and told she was fired.

"I don't think it's fair," said Ravenstein. "I just hope they catch the guy."

Ravenstein is a single mother to a four-year-old boy.

She says she doesn't get child support.

She hopes she'll be eligible for unemployment benefits and plans to apply on Monday.


I assume full responsibility for my actions, except the ones that are someone else's fault.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 04:34 PM

QUOTE (supermom @ May 25 2010, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
mmmm---from a human resources perspective--I would have to say that such observations would/could be that due to increased crime--there may be a PERCEPTION created by parked patrol vehicles of more police in a certain area, or that --just the opposite--there may be a much more observant part of society noting the presence of law enforcement -- due to the effects of a strained economy, particularly where certain neighborhoods may bump into more affluent sides of town.

mmm--from a prior military perspective ---who worked a bit with law enforcement--I would have to say this constant harping about a bottle on a shoulder and a "near" drive off the road sounds an awful lot like ...well, 1) a bad incident that was unfortuneate but even the good guys can't get every one of the bad guys 2) even though the bad driving experience may have been the other guys fault, perhaps you can use this as a wake up- that you want to consider a defensive drivers course to help make you aware of specific driving skills that can potentially save the life of you and your loved ones?

Horse and pony? uhh--we always called 'em dog and pony-- and yeah--I've seen plenty of them....by non civilian and civilian types. What most people dont understand is the amount of refrain that cops are expected to endure while dealing with the public, whether in an "incident" or otherwise.

You know what really bothers me about that post?

2 things:

1) Cops dont just scream at people in the office for no reason. I call bs. (trust me, I know all about BS in the office!There was a fist fight in my office, 2 days ago) Or a serious attitude issue in the office or a serious maladjustment to moral and professional behavior that absolutely should not be tolerated in the office. I would question the validity of a claim of lots of people being unprofessional towards just one person.

2) I have every reason in the world to be you--posting what you are posting-but I'm not--so I wonder--just who and how, someone pissed in your wheaties?


and if there are more cops out there on the road, right now, than ever before--why are you mad? Doesn't it make sense that just maybe they heeded the needs of citizens and they are out there patrolling, even more? A good thing!


Don't even get me started about the MP....working a bit with anything does not make you an expert by any measure.

I do not understand why people cannot grasp the fact that things happen that they themselves may have never experienced. You really cannot base your small experience to my daily, 8 hour a day, 40 hours a week, 5 year experience. Regular citizens do not see that side and definetly not more affulent citizens(folsom). Today, I was yelled at by a police officer who would not understand that I am not familiar with all the different systems. I tried to help the individual for 15 minutes where most of my co-workers would have reffered them to their sheriff office or local field represenative. When I tried to refer them they kept insisting I help and read off parts of our manual. Which I did. Had I done what I have been told to do I should have cut them off. When I have done that in the past, I have been told some very cruel things and hung up on but these people are professionals...right?

I understand that they are stressed but most of their behavior is unexceptable. I get hung up on by many local departments which I will not name, because they do not want to do what their administrative job requires them to do.

As far as the man that ran my son and I off the road it was much more than how you are presenting it. He followed me from Elk Grove Blvd to Hazel trying to cut me off and getting in front of me and slamming on his breaks. He and the passanger were making rude sexual and profane gestures. I went on the side of the rode to get away from the two men in the car and he veered his car near inches away from the side my son was on. He followed me for miles and I kept calling 911 to get assistance. Yeah...I got none. I finally got off the freeway in hopes that he would not follow me and thank God he didn't. Yeah someone, anyone should have followed up and no one did. Oh well Karma for that rude idiot and pray that he doesn't do it again. I am guessing it wasn't his first time nor will it be his last!

Oh yeah and assault is assault. Let me hit you with a bottle...more like full vodka jug and then have the police tell you that they are not even gonna look for the guy. Police are not concerned unless they can get an easy conviction. You wanna know how many wanted or criminal people our state lets go because they can't get a conviction or the other state won't extradite because the subject is deemed not serious enough...it's horrible.

I appreciate the extra police patroling but not to find people driving 80 and going with the flow of highway traffic. Or better yet pulling my hubby over while he's walking our son on the side walk. Yeah, that to me is a little extreme. The town I live in is notorious for pulling people over while walking, it happens in front of my house atleast once a week, and they always let them go, nut not after a 15 minute harrassment session, which makes me so upset!

Again, I suggest until you have worked assisting law enforcement more than just a bit, you really can't call b.s. or piss in wheaties...yeah pretty stupid!

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 05:17 PM

I have a very mixed attitude about cops. In theory of course I'm glad they're around to protect us (i.e. civillians), but they're also human just like anyone else. So there's bound to be good and bad ones, even depending on their mood at the time. I'm sure there's some that are on a power trip as opposed to what they should've gotten into it for (to help people and their communities, just to make a positive difference). A negative experiece can shatter your sense of security to think the very people you'd call to help you could be standoffish or give prefferential treatment. Even if some jerky cops are out there, I think they give the majority of upstanding ones a bad name.

Then again I can see where dojgal is coming from too. I'd probably be ticked off if I were in her shoes too. Those two guys on the freeway sounded crazy, borderline criminal even (almost like they were tailing you intentionally, good thing you got away from them!). It's people like THAT who should be getting stopped. Awhile ago one of my friends said something about cops: "Always there when you don't need 'em, never there when you do need em" lol. wink.gif

Does anyone think it's a time thing (like maybe they're overworked and stressed...though that doesn't justify being rude), or has it always been that way?

In the 90s I used to really be into those cop shows like Real Stories of the Highway Patrol and Top Cops. Maybe I was taking it more at face value since I was a kid, but at least from what I could tell, they seemed to be portrayed as caring, good people who did what they could to assist others. Like there's this one Rescue 911 segment where an elderly couple got hit by a runaway boxcar on the train tracks. And this patrolman in the area parked his car to chase the boxcar and (risking his own life) grabbed the brake wheel, stopping it just before the old couple's car would've collided with a bridge. Then again I know stuff like that doesn't happen everyday, maybe those same heroic cops could've turned around the next day and been arrogant giving out speeding tickets, who knows.

I can count on one hand how many run in's I've had in my whole life (one stopped my for jaywalking in SJ in '97 but just gave me a warning), so I can't really say from personal firsthand experience much.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 05:23 PM

QUOTE (FolsomBarb @ May 25 2010, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hope this is not a sign of what is to come for Folsom's WalMart manager.....

http://www.king5.com...r-94864139.html

Walmart worker fired for stopping shoplifter

by JUSTIN KRAEMER / KSNW
KING5.com

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 1:52 PM

A Kansas Walmart worker hailed as a hero for stopping a shoplifter was fired Saturday

Walmart refuses to comment, but Heather Ravenstein says she was told she was being let go because of her actions in the shoplifting episode.

"My stomach started turning instantly," said Ravenstein. "I was like 'Are you serious?' I couldn't believe it. I was trying to save them money and this is what happens to me."

Ravenstein saw a suspect with a computer in his shopping cart roll out the front door of the Walmart on Friday night.

She was suspicious because the computer had security wire still wrapped around it.

Ravenstein says the man refused to show a receipt.

"I just grabbed a hold of it and wasn't letting go," said Ravenstein. "I wasn't going to let him get away with a $600 computer."

Wichita Police say the suspect started to punch and kick Ravenstein before jumping into a waiting car and speeding away.

Ravenstein has a small bruise on her shoulder but was otherwise uninjured.

At first, Ravenstein says managers at Wal-Mart praised her for stopping the shoplifter.

"They said 'good job'," said Ravenstein. "The store manager came and talked to me and said 'Good job. You need to be more careful next time. We appreciate you trying to protect our assets.' I was like 'Yeah, I'm not going to do it again.''"

Everything changed Saturday when Ravenstein showed up for her shift.

She says after her lunch break she was sent to a back room and told she was fired.

"I don't think it's fair," said Ravenstein. "I just hope they catch the guy."

Ravenstein is a single mother to a four-year-old boy.

She says she doesn't get child support.

She hopes she'll be eligible for unemployment benefits and plans to apply on Monday.

Forget unemployment benes --- she should march immediately to a competitor (unless she has a non compete/trade secrets for "x" # of days clause) and get hired. She knows right from wrong and takes pride in the company. Should in-store security have handled it...absolutely but a manager can stop the suspect then let security or the cops take over. Walmart lawyers are likely the culprit for advising to fire here to avoid a lawsuit from thief or manager.

Where was in-store security in these cases or did they outsource the security cameras overseas?

I recall a security training class years ago where it was pointed out that Visa and Mastercard write off millions of $$$ in fraud and theft as part of business i.e. increase interest rates on paying customers to cover dirt-bags who steal. Not right.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:38 PM

QUOTE (FolsomBarb @ May 25 2010, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hope this is not a sign of what is to come for Folsom's WalMart manager.....

http://www.king5.com...r-94864139.html

Walmart worker fired for stopping shoplifter

by JUSTIN KRAEMER / KSNW
KING5.com

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 1:52 PM

A Kansas Walmart worker hailed as a hero for stopping a shoplifter was fired Saturday

Walmart refuses to comment, but Heather Ravenstein says she was told she was being let go because of her actions in the shoplifting episode.

"My stomach started turning instantly," said Ravenstein. "I was like 'Are you serious?' I couldn't believe it. I was trying to save them money and this is what happens to me."

Ravenstein saw a suspect with a computer in his shopping cart roll out the front door of the Walmart on Friday night.

She was suspicious because the computer had security wire still wrapped around it.

Ravenstein says the man refused to show a receipt.

"I just grabbed a hold of it and wasn't letting go," said Ravenstein. "I wasn't going to let him get away with a $600 computer."

Wichita Police say the suspect started to punch and kick Ravenstein before jumping into a waiting car and speeding away.

Ravenstein has a small bruise on her shoulder but was otherwise uninjured.

At first, Ravenstein says managers at Wal-Mart praised her for stopping the shoplifter.

"They said 'good job'," said Ravenstein. "The store manager came and talked to me and said 'Good job. You need to be more careful next time. We appreciate you trying to protect our assets.' I was like 'Yeah, I'm not going to do it again.''"

Everything changed Saturday when Ravenstein showed up for her shift.

She says after her lunch break she was sent to a back room and told she was fired.

"I don't think it's fair," said Ravenstein. "I just hope they catch the guy."

Ravenstein is a single mother to a four-year-old boy.

She says she doesn't get child support.

She hopes she'll be eligible for unemployment benefits and plans to apply on Monday.



Well, I'd never place my life on the line to save Wal-Mart from taking a loss. As an employee, and not a security guard, it wouldn't be my job to run after shoplifters and risk not going home to my family after wards.

I really don't get this hero thing....saving a life is being a hero, not saving Wal-Mart from a loss of merchandise.

There IS a difference.

And as for this employee getting canned....read the policies of the company you work for, or pay the price. I don't think Wal-Mart wants to hire heroes, just competent workers. Lawsuits are very expensive and replacing workers costly, as well.



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Posted 25 May 2010 - 07:56 PM

^ I actually agree with you there. That girl's heart was in the right place and she shouldn't be fired, but she also shouldn't have gone to that length.

If I were her I might just tell the guy if he didn't go back to the store with the computer I'd call the cops. If he took off, I'd get his license plate and the best description possible.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 08:21 PM

Maybe what walmart should- instead of chasing thiefs......

Is arm all their door greeters with a digital camera and instruct them to take pictures of persons, merchandise and mode of escape (cause isn't there an additional punishment tacked on for transporting stolen goods?)

Ha, yeah.......put the pics up on that walmart.com site....



Is this person living with you? S/he could be stealing from you-right now!





Parole officers could use the site to snap up bad guys they can't prove doing other types of bad stuff.

And maybe the walmart stores could all ink their datbases so maybe they could find patterns or ways to combat some of the crime?

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 08:51 PM

QUOTE (doj_gal @ May 25 2010, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please never put words in my mouth or assume you know about my job and read my entire post for my feeling about police officers. I do not hate my job! I love my job however hate how police officers are nice when they want you to help them out and are down and out rude (hanging up the phone and screaming it's not my job) when you are asking them to do their job.

Tickets are used for revenue by most departments. Funny that while our state is in an extreme budget crisis CHP/Police officers are in full effect that I have never seen before. I see an average of 5-6 on any average drive...compared to 4 years ago, they were no where to be found. Yet, ask them to find a guy that nearly run my son and I off the road or hit someone with a bottle, they are no where to be found. They do not generate $$$ from those type of searches and are not very likely to do them. I was specifically told by FPD that they were not going to look for the guy whom hit my co-worker eventhough we had idenitifiers and direction of travel.

Like I said before, most folks have very few experiences with law enforcement. I have had more professional and personal interactions than most and my experiences have been less than hunky dorey! That does not make me hate my job. It just gives me the real perspective...not the horse and pony show of saving the day, which is what normal civilians see. Be thankful that you have those positive experiences, because they are rare.


But didnt you pretty much say same yhing to swmr545 in another thread?

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 09:41 PM

QUOTE (prouddad @ May 25 2010, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But didnt you pretty much say same yhing to swmr545 in another thread?


So what's your point or the point your are trying to make?

I've said a few things to swimmer. He has complained about his job, where I have not.

I love my job which has many different tasks, one of which deals with assisting LEAS. I do not necessarily like it but I do not hate it nor have I complained about it. I was just dispelling the myth that police officers are concerned more so with the general populations welfare than meeting quotas. From my experience, it's the later for most, and the few that join to assist become hardened or leave the force.

AND I am not saying that I blame them...it is a crappy and un-rewarding job for the most part....but most have the entitled attitude that I hate. I can deal with angry or frustrated...but cocky, arrogant, entitled I cannot!

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QUOTE (doj_gal @ May 25 2010, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what's your point or the point your are trying to make?

I've said a few things to swimmer. He has complained about his job, where I have not.

I love my job which has many different tasks, one of which deals with assisting LEAS. I do not necessarily like it but I do not hate it nor have I complained about it. I was just dispelling the myth that police officers are concerned more so with the general populations welfare than meeting quotas. From my experience, it's the later for most, and the few that join to assist become hardened or leave the force.

AND I am not saying that I blame them...it is a crappy and un-rewarding job for the most part....but most have the entitled attitude that I hate. I can deal with angry or frustrated...but cocky, arrogant, entitled I cannot!


You're in denial. You've posted several times you do not like dealing with LEOS and you're working hard at painting a negative picture of them here in an effort to get your frustrations out on them and try and get other people to dislike them.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 07:13 AM

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You're in denial. You've posted several times you do not like dealing with LEOS and you're working hard at painting a negative picture of them here in an effort to get your frustrations out on them and try and get other people to dislike them.


I love how you bold my words but you are misrepresenting them. As far as crappy job...I am quoting LEAS opinions of their job not mine, as being un-rewarding . CAN'T YOU ALL BLEEPING GET IT>>>>> (aka READ)

1) I do not hate my job.

2) LEAs make my job less enjoyable with their entitled, short, rude and crappy attitude.

3) I am not wanting anyone to hate them.

4) I am just giving an option why the Walmart manager felt he had to take the "Law" into his own hands because Folsom PD is not as concerned with items stolen from a company as they are in generating traffic violation revenue.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 07:52 AM

QUOTE (doj_gal @ May 26 2010, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love how you bold my words but you are misrepresenting them. As far as crappy job...I am quoting LEAS opinions of their job not mine, as being un-rewarding . CAN'T YOU ALL BLEEPING GET IT>>>>> (aka READ)

1) I do not hate my job.

2) LEAs make my job less enjoyable with their entitled, short, rude and crappy attitude.

3) I am not wanting anyone to hate them.

4) I am just giving an option why the Walmart manager felt he had to take the "Law" into his own hands because Folsom PD is not as concerned with items stolen from a company as they are in generating traffic violation revenue.



Its been a long time since I've posted here. I usually just read the posts to get a sense of the communities perceptions on different issues. All I can say is WOW!

BTW, I did notice that there was one common denominator in your stories. Is there any chance that you may influence the direction your contacts with LEO's goes?

I'm not trying to call you out our anything...in fact, its been very enlightening hearing opinions like yours.




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