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[supermom]

There has been no verified indication that the night Treyvon died; that racism played a part in his death.

"words"-that zimmerman was reported to have said were debunked--unfortunately it fanned flames.

However, the scenarios that many people are speculating on how Treyvon, died continue to flourish.

Anyone who has experience with head wounds knows that even a minor cut will bleed; comparatively more so than a cut on extremities.

Head wounds always look bad. The video provided shows a few superficial cuts that follow the pattern that the fight was not as Severe as the suspect claims.

What is missing from that view of the suspects head in a fight to the death with multiple slamming on concrete imakes the statements even more unbelievable. Perhaps the picture is not good enough to show major swelling and flesh discoloration, though. I suppose that many arguments could be had-- unless the photos were better quality.

[supermom]

So, you doubt that blacks are attacking whites at rates that are higher than whites attacking blacks? And you doubt that Obama has made racial matters worse with his uncalled for comments concerning what is on the news?

Go to this site and read what crimes have been conducted by blacks against whites, then do some of your own research and then come back here with your evidence. Talk facts, and only facts.

I wonder if you realize the site you provided is racist motivated website funded by an aryan group?

The very last statement at the bottom says it all-- "negro free"

The site moderators need to tag that link and place a warning that it should only be viewed with parental guidance.

[old soldier]

There has been no verified indication that the night Treyvon died; that racism played a part in his death.

"words"-that zimmerman was reported to have said were debunked--unfortunately it fanned flames.

However, the scenarios that many people are speculating on how Treyvon, died continue to flourish.

Anyone who has experience with head wounds knows that even a minor cut will bleed; comparatively more so than a cut on extremities.

Head wounds always look bad. The video provided shows a few superficial cuts that follow the pattern that the fight was not as Severe as the suspect claims.

What is missing from that view of the suspects head in a fight to the death with multiple slamming on concrete imakes the statements even more unbelievable. Perhaps the picture is not good enough to show major swelling and flesh discoloration, though. I suppose that many arguments could be had-- unless the photos were better quality.

ok that picture is pretty convincing that his head got bashed..it makes a case that if you are going to get into a fight its better to have a head of hair as a cushion. I am waiting for someone to say that it was makeup and not blood on the picture

the big question now is whether the black panthers can track zimmerman down in his saft house

the other problem is how big the riots will be if the trail lets old zimmerman off with a lesser offence. will the nuts say "the system has spoken" or will it be an excuse to hit the streets.

as far a racism goes I thought only white folks could be racist, and we have an hispanic going against a black so how can it be raciest

[ducky]

There has been no verified indication that the night Treyvon died; that racism played a part in his death.

"words"-that zimmerman was reported to have said were debunked--unfortunately it fanned flames.

However, the scenarios that many people are speculating on how Treyvon, died continue to flourish.

Anyone who has experience with head wounds knows that even a minor cut will bleed; comparatively more so than a cut on extremities.

Head wounds always look bad. The video provided shows a few superficial cuts that follow the pattern that the fight was not as Severe as the suspect claims.

What is missing from that view of the suspects head in a fight to the death with multiple slamming on concrete imakes the statements even more unbelievable. Perhaps the picture is not good enough to show major swelling and flesh discoloration, though. I suppose that many arguments could be had-- unless the photos were better quality.

I saw the photos and they weren't of the quality that would show if there was swelling. I'm not sure I would describe them as superficial, but they would hurt like heck.

I'm not sure I'm on board with you that in order for someone to be in fear of their life that they have to let someone bash their head on the ground in order to get a certain degree of injury. I think if you just have someone even hitting you while you are on the ground or putting any kind of pressure on your head or neck against the ground might explain the injuries and the description Zimmerman gave. One thing is for sure. You would know you couldn't let it continue and remain conscious or survive.

Now, if Zimmerman had no head wounds at all I could see how that could go to his credibility.

I think the more important point was which one was the aggressor, but I don't know how you are going to determine who threw the first punch.

[Robert Giacometti]

I think the more important point was which one was the aggressor, but I don't know how you are going to determine who threw the first punch.

Actually this would be rather easy to prove. If Zimmerman threw the first punch, Martin would have some sort of mark on him. Based upon my experience, the person who has their nose hurt was the recipent of the first punch.

I haven't heard any claim anywhere that Martin had injuries consistent with being in a street fight. Since Zimmerman is shorter, he probably had shorter arms. He would have had to been really close to Martin to have hit him. Typically the person throwing the first punch doesn't miss and its generally aimed for the other person nose.

I thought I heard Zimmerman was headed back towards his vehicle? Walking away from someone isn't a sign of being aggressive. So if indeed this was happening, then it was Martin who was pursuing Zimmerman and leads us the logically think Martin threw the first punch as is the case with the person being the aggressor.

The more one looks at this with an open mind to the logic and facts, the more it looks like Zimmerman may have been justified, under FLORIDA law.

[ducky]

Actually this would be rather easy to prove. If Zimmerman threw the first punch, Martin would have some sort of mark on him. Based upon my experience, the person who has their nose hurt was the recipent of the first punch.

I haven't heard any claim anywhere that Martin had injuries consistent with being in a street fight. Since Zimmerman is shorter, he probably had shorter arms. He would have had to been really close to Martin to have hit him. Typically the person throwing the first punch doesn't miss and its generally aimed for the other person nose.

I thought I heard Zimmerman was headed back towards his vehicle? Walking away from someone isn't a sign of being aggressive. So if indeed this was happening, then it was Martin who was pursuing Zimmerman and leads us the logically think Martin threw the first punch as is the case with the person being the aggressor.

The more one looks at this with an open mind to the logic and facts, the more it looks like Zimmerman may have been justified, under FLORIDA law.

I don't agree with your speculations that the first person throwing the punch doesn't usually miss or some of your other guesses at what happened.

I will say that if Zimmerman was indeed turned away and leaving the situation that would make Martin the aggressor. I just don't trust what I hear in the media.

I don't have a problem with Zimmerman being concerned about what he perceived to be a suspicious person in his neighborhood, but this was a totally avoidable situation. He should have let the police do their job. As far as I know, Martin wasn't trying to break into anyone's home or wasn't looking in car windows or over fences. He wasn't doing something that would have prompted a confrontation.

[Robert Giacometti]

I don't agree with your speculations that the first person throwing the punch doesn't usually miss or some of your other guesses at what happened.

I will say that if Zimmerman was indeed turned away and leaving the situation that would make Martin the aggressor. I just don't trust what I hear in the media.

I don't have a problem with Zimmerman being concerned about what he perceived to be a suspicious person in his neighborhood, but this was a totally avoidable situation. He should have let the police do their job. As far as I know, Martin wasn't trying to break into anyone's home or wasn't looking in car windows or over fences. He wasn't doing something that would have prompted a confrontation.

You don't know who initiated the confrontation. Zimmerman has every right to watch and observe someone. I'm NOT aware of Zimmerman breaking any law by observing Martin and/or following him.

As a rowdy young male, I can say that having been in/or witnessed friends getting into over 100 street fights, there maybe a very rare occassion where the person taking the first swing missed and in every single occassion it was because they were so drunk they could barely stand.

Typically in these street fight it was the male who felt they were domninant male who took the first swing, because they felt they could win. Typically you don't start a fight with someone who is going to kick your butt. A supermajority of these involved males who played football as that philosophy of being the more aggressive and dominating your opponent is taught.

Since Martin had been suspended from school in the past that may be an indication of behavioral issues.

When you put all these factors together and based upon what we know, its looking more and more like Zimmerman's story is accurate. There could be many other facts that haven't been released that would change my opinion.

I try to keep an open mind and look at all the facts before forming an opinion. Its surprising how many ( I'm NOT referring to Ducky here) who form their opinions and then look for reasons to justify their beliefs. Just because Zimmerman had a gun and Martin had skittles and ended up dead, doesn't mean that Zimmerman is guilty.

[watsupwiththat@aol.com]

So, you doubt that blacks are attacking whites at rates that are higher than whites attacking blacks? And you doubt that Obama has made racial matters worse with his uncalled for comments concerning what is on the news?

Go to this site and read what crimes have been conducted by blacks against whites, then do some of your own research and then come back here with your evidence. Talk facts, and only facts.

WOW! Thanks Maxine for pointing me to a "Visualize a Negro-free Zone"
Online since August 1998 NNN editor email" website!


Yep you are right, Facts are important.



My son just posted a you tube video that zombies are going to invade America and eat all of our brains. Its a good thing NOT to believe everything you read on the internet.
Threads like these do more damage to race relation than anything else in this country today.

[mac_convert]

Zimmerman wouldn't be in legal trouble and Martin might still be alive if Zimmerman had listened to the dispatcher when he called 911. I think Zimmerman needs to be punished for not following law enforcement protocol.

Your scenario is kinda illogical.

How would've Martin be facing a life threatening situation? If Zimmerman had his gun out I suspect he would have shot at Martin before getting hit or way before Martin got close enough to hit him.

If someone pulls a gun on me the last thing I'm going to do is try and rush them. I'm thinking they had words and Martin felt he could take the shorter in stature Zimmerman and it was Martin who was the aggressor. Its NOT uncommon for some 17 year olds males who play football, to act this way. Lets NOT forget Martin had been suspended from school on a couple occassions and I don't think it was from chewing gum.

This picture of Zimmerman pretty much confirms some of what he claims.

Unless there are a LOT more facts that can be proven, I can't see how the prosecutor is going to prove guilty beyond any reasonable doubt for a conviction based upon we know.

Based upon what we know including these pictures, I wouldn't be surprised that a judge dismisses this before even going to a trial!

There are reasons why the Police didn't originally charge Zimmerman. I don't think it was because they liked him or because of skin color as some have tried to make this into.

[mac_convert]

This is rude. Maxine owned up to linking a site she hadn't thoroughly researched and stated it was something she didn't agree with. That takes guts on this board and in this thread!

WOW! Thanks Maxine for pointing me to a "Visualize a Negro-free Zone"
Online since August 1998 NNN editor email" website!


Yep you are right, Facts are important.



My son just posted a you tube video that zombies are going to invade America and eat all of our brains. Its a good thing NOT to believe everything you read on the internet.
Threads like these do more damage to race relation than anything else in this country today.

[watsupwiththat@aol.com]

The title of this thread is rude.
It is racist because of the topic of the thread.
"Safety Alert! Your Lives Are In Danger!" REALLY? The only way it could have been worse is if it was called-"Safety Alert! White people's Lives are in Danger!"

[Robert Giacometti]

Zimmerman wouldn't be in legal trouble and Martin might still be alive if Zimmerman had listened to the dispatcher when he called 911. I think Zimmerman needs to be punished for not following law enforcement protocol.

What law did Zimmerman break?

As I said earlier, I wouldn't want to be Zimmerman. I suspect he is going to sufffer plenty from all this. He may NOT be guilty of any crime ( then again he might be guilty of murder), but that doesn't make him innocent.

Sadly its looking like Martin's actions may have tragically led to his death. We should all learn from this and share this with our children, so that maybe that something can be gained from this!