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[Chris]

I gave four great links to widespread and damaging voter fraud a few pages back and no one on the left commented on them...? I wonder why....? I'll spell it out for you here so you can't ignore it anymore. Chris

How the dems stold the Washington State Governor election in 2004:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1311655/posts

Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 10:22:58 AM by DaiHuy

Precinct 1823

Crunching the data in the King Ukraine County voter registration file, I came across precinct SEA 37-1823, or simply Precinct 1823, located in downtown Seattle between Elliot Bay and I-5 near the James St. exit.

Precinct 1823 has 763 registered "Active" voters. 527 of them list as their residence address 500 4th Ave -- the King County Administration Building. 241 of these voters specifically note their apartment number as #553, which is the room number of the ... King Ukraine County Records and Elections office.
Over 300 of these alleged "voters" give 500 4th Ave. (with or without the Elections office room number) as both their residence and mailing addresses. Several of the other Elections Office residents give overseas mailing addresses, such as Anuj Rathi of Mumbai, India, Rayko Suzuki of Tokyo, Japan, and Pascal Engi of Bern, Switzerland.
Another 48 of the Precinct 1823 "voters" give as their residence address 511 3rd Ave, which appears to be some sort of private mailbox service.
And then there are the two Messrs. Harder -- Mike Harder of 509 3rd Ave. Apt. 507, who registered to vote on April 28, 2004 and Michael D. Harder of 509 3rd Ave. Apt. 507, who registered to vote on July 20, 2004. Both Messrs. Harder are flagged as permanent absentee voters. [while it is possible that this is, say, a father and son, I believe that is unlikely in this case. There is one additional voter registered at this apartment and in the same time frame. The only other apartments in this building have only one or two registered voters each. i.e. it's doubtful that any of the apartments in the building would house 3 or more adults].
465 (61%) of the Precinct 1823 voters registered during 2004 and nearly all of them "live" at 500 4th Ave. By contrast, only 13% of all of King County voters registered in 2004.
3 members of the List of 573 Magical Mystery Voters are from Precinct 1823, 2 of whom "live" at the Elections Office.
In the machine recount, Precinct 1823 gave 203 votes to Gregoire and 87 votes to Rossi, for a net Gregoire lead of 116 votes.
The only way for Christine Gregoire to win the governor's race is to carry Precinct 1823 in a landslide.

[Chris]

Again, Washington State democrat voter fraud in 2007: 1800 false registrations by Acorn...... Chris

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2003808207_votefraud27m.html

MIKE SIEGEL / THE SEATTLE TIMES

King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg says the defendants' aim was to make money, not influence an election outcome.
Workers accused of concocting the biggest voter-registration-fraud scheme in state history said they were under pressure from the community-organizing group that hired them to sign up more voters, according to charging papers filed Thursday.

To boost their output, the defendants allegedly went to the downtown Seattle Public Library, where they filled out voter-registration forms using names they made up or found in phone books, newspapers and baby-naming books.

One defendant "said it was hard work making up all those cards," and another "said he would often sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out cards," according to a probable-cause statement written by King County sheriff's Detective Christopher Johnson.

Prosecutors in King and Pierce counties filed felony charges Thursday against seven employees of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, claiming they turned in more than 1,800 phony voter-registration forms, including an estimated 55 in Pierce County.

[Chris]

Washington gubernatorial election, 2004 from Wikepedia, what a mess and a crime....!

http://en.wikipedia...._election,_2004

Read the whole thing and tell me that was not fraud despite the article obviously being edited with a left wing operators with an obvious bias.

Chris

[Chris]

Read this article and tell me Al Franken and the DNC did not steal this election in 2008....!

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/articles/voter-118654-fraud-franken.html

In the eyes of the Obama administration, most Democratic lawmakers and left-leaning editorial pages across the country, voter fraud is a problem that doesn't exist. Allegations of fraud, they say, are little more than pretexts conjured up by Republicans to justify voter ID laws designed to suppress Democratic turnout.

That argument becomes much harder to make after reading a discussion of the 2008 Minnesota Senate race in "Who's Counting?" a new book by conservative journalist John Fund and former Bush Justice Department official Hans von Spakovsky. Although the authors cover the whole range of voter fraud issues, their chapter on Minnesota is enough to convince any skeptic that there are times when voter fraud not only exists but can be critical to the outcome of an important race.

In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.

During the controversy, a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons — all ineligible to vote — who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. "The numbers aren't greater," the authors say, "because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and 'knowingly' voted unlawfully." The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

Still, that is a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn't require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

And that is just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.

The election was particularly important because Franken's victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Barack Obama's national health care proposal — the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare.

Voter fraud matters when contests are close. When an election is decided by a huge margin, no one can plausibly claim fraud made the difference. But the Minnesota race was excruciatingly close. And then, in the Obamacare debate, Democrats could not afford to lose even a single vote. So if there were any case that demonstrates that voter fraud both exists and has real consequences, it is Minnesota 2008.

Yet Democrats across the country continue to downplay the importance of the issue. Last year, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, denounced "the gauzy accusation that voter fraud is somehow a problem, when over and over again it has been proven that you're more likely to get hit by lightning than you are to (be) a victim of voter fraud."

Wasserman Schultz and her fellow Democrats are doing everything they can to stop reasonable anti-fraud measures, like removing ineligible voters from the rolls and voter ID. Through it all, they maintain they are simply defending our most fundamental right, the right to vote.

But voter fraud involves that right, too. "When voters are disenfranchised by the counting of improperly cast ballots or outright fraud, their civil rights are violated just as surely as if they were prevented from voting," write Fund and von Spakovsky. "The integrity of the ballot box is just as important to the credibility of elections as access to it."

[cw68]

Chris,

Thanks for bringing this information to the board.

The reason for the silence from those who said there was little or no voter fraud is obvious.

It’s embarrassing to be soooo wrong.

Yes, and you know why I've been mostly absent. Dead friend, helping his widow with her (our) grief, their 1- and 2- year olds, making arrangements, muddling through finances, setting up emergency funds, etc. It's embarrassing to be sooooooo wrong.

I still stand by my assertions. Showing ID at the polls would not make an impact on the large majority of problems brought up in defense. Perhaps after a few weeks I might have the time, interest, and energy for these pissing matches but I don't right now. Take that as proof of your superiority and keep your minds closed all you want. I don't really care.

[Chris]

Take that as proof of your superiority and keep your minds closed all you want. I don't really care.

Wow, somebody who refuses to recognize evidence of factual voter fraud pulling out the closed mind jab....! And after all I showed you above....? Chris

[cw68]

Wow, somebody who refuses to recognize evidence of factual voter fraud pulling out the closed mind jab....! And after all I showed you above....? Chris

Solve the problem by showing IDs? How many of the examples of voter fraud given here (and other recent threads) does that solve? How many votes?

Now I'm out. My free limited time today is done.

[Chris]

Solve the problem by showing IDs? How many of the examples of voter fraud given here (and other recent threads) does that solve? How many votes?

Now I'm out. My free limited time today is done.

So you admit that there is rampant and substantial voter fraud by the democrat party via absentee ballots and fraudulent voter registration but still don't think voter ID is a good idea....? Is that what you are saying...? If so that negates your previous arguments that voter fraud is not that prevalent, common, or widespread. Just trying to get my head around your position (and Tiovinny's) why you think voter fraud is not a big deal. Maybe it's because 95% of it benefits the outcomes in favor of the dems...? Could that be it...? Chris

[cw68]

So you admit that there is rampant and substantial voter fraud by the democrat party via absentee ballots and fraudulent voter registration but still don't think voter ID is a good idea....? Is that what you are saying...? If so that negates your previous arguments that voter fraud is not that prevalent, common, or widespread. Just trying to get my head around your position (and Tiovinny's) why you think voter fraud is not a big deal. Maybe it's because 95% of it benefits the outcomes in favor of the dems...? Could that be it...? Chris

Can't answer my questions? But you CAN put words in my mouth and completely ignore the Republican examples given to you. Closed mind. Blame hate blame.

[Chris]

Can't answer my questions? But you CAN put words in my mouth and completely ignore the Republican examples given to you. Closed mind. Blame hate blame.

Sorry, you're not making any sense....? I'll cut you a big hall pass and all for the next few days in consideration of your last week of trials, tribulations, and family tragedy. Chris

[cw68]

Sorry, you're not making any sense....? I'll cut you a big hall pass and all for the next few days in consideration of your last week of trials, tribulations, and family tragedy. Chris

Thanks. In the meantime figure out the answers to my questions and realize that I provided a number of examples of Republicans involved in voter fraud. Democrats are not the root of all evil and Republicans aren't all angels. Check into reality.