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[Chad Vander Veen]

Ok Cloud, so if they decide to take hostages we'll volunteer you...since there is onyl a 1 in 88,000 chance they'll kill you.

[bordercolliefan]

Let's end all this cross-citing of statistics and fatality rates. Can't we all agree that any terrorism is too much? The correct response is to analyze why terrorism occurs and figure out what we can do to prevent it -- not to say, "Oh, well it's really only a small percentage of us that will die, so who cares?"

Time magazine has an opinion piece arguing that it's time that everyone face up to the fact that recent terrorism is a product of Islam. The article criticizes Muslims who say, "This has nothing to do with the true nature of Islam!" because there is ample foundation for violent acts in Islamic scipture, and Muslim terrorists almost invariably cite such scripture in justifying their actions. The article urges Muslim clerics to "confess to sins of scripture" and expressly repudiate the most violent passages in Islamic texts -- just as, according to the article, mainstream Christian churches have expressly repudiated certain passages in the OT and in past church doctrine.

I would be curious to see an opinion survey of American Muslims similar to the one conducted in the UK. Has anyone ever seen one?

[Chad Vander Veen]

Actually, BCF, some terrorism might be OK. Case in point. OBL was planning to poison the US cocaine supply...in a way, I kind of wish he had, would have helped take care of the imbiciles snorting drugs all day...doing us a big favor in the process.

[Cloud9]

BCF,

No one is saying, "Who cares?".

While the objectives you cite would be a step in the right direction, there are plenty of alarmists that inflame the current situation.

This discussion began with the premise that Muslims have not condemned the acts of terrorism against western civilization (false) and therefore, Muslims are "the enemy and no less" (false).

It continued into architecture, traffic, noise, and quickly moved to radical Islam and safety concerns.

I see no harm in having a discussion that addresses all these issues. That includes the safety concerns, and the notion or suggestion that Folsom will be a habitat for the teachings of terrorism and radical Islam.

I question whether those that have expressed many of these concerns would have the same objections if this was the only Buddhist Temple in the Sacramento area that was being built. My guess is no.

Few would be likely to be concerned about the architecture, traffic or noise, and most likely people would immediately point out that Buddhists aren't using terrorist tactics against us.

So lets be candid, the major concern here for those against the buildout of the mosque is the perception of safety and terrorism.

[Farley]

And just maybe a healthy dose of prejudice.

[folsom500]

So lets be candid, the major concern here for those against the buildout of the mosque is the perception of safety and terrorism.

So tell us and the Muslims in the area- how will a new Mosque effect any different level of concern than the existing temporary ones... ??
Will the tower now be the change ?? invoking words of old to gain the less tolerant groups within the sect ? or would it be the dome or just the fact that this is a permanent home for them that will draw out their supposed dark souls to turn against the white race- ---
Surely you and CV must know this---- sages that you are....

F500

[Cloud9]

So tell us and the Muslims in the area- how will a new Mosque effect any different level of concern than the existing temporary ones... ??
Will the tower now be the change ?? invoking words of old to gain the less tolerant groups within the sect ? or would it be the dome or just the fact that this is a permanent home for them that will draw out their supposed dark souls to turn against the white race- ---
Surely you and CV must know this---- sages that you are....

F500

I wouldn't know. I'm not against the buildout of the mosque. As far as I know, neither is CV though we differ in the perception of safety. I don't have concerns in that regard.

I suspect there's a segment of the Folsom population that are afraid. This is where CV and I differ. He believes they have a legitimate reason for this fear. Whereas I believe that their fears, however real it may be to them, are more likely founded on poor assumptions and perceptions about Folsom Muslims.

[Chad Vander Veen]

I wouldn't know.  I'm not against the buildout of the mosque.  As far as I know, neither is CV though we differ in the perception of safety.  I don't have concerns in that regard.

I suspect there's a segment of the Folsom population that are afraid.  This is where CV and I differ.  He believes they have a legitimate reason for this fear.  Whereas I believe that their fears, however real it may be to them, are more likely founded on poor assumptions and perceptions about Folsom Muslims.

YES! Exactly!

[camay2327]

Did anyone go to the city council meeting last night and put there two cents worth in during the open forum?

[Cloud9]

Putting the safety issue aside (which isn't likely to be resolved anytime soon), does anyone else have concerns about

-architecture?
-traffic?
-noise?
-other?

I'd set up a poll, but alas, that capability has been taken away for me.

[Chad Vander Veen]

Putting the safety issue aside (which isn't likely to be resolved anytime soon), does anyone else have concerns about

-architecture?
-traffic?
-noise?
-other?

I'd set up a poll, but alas, that capability has been taken away for me.

Yes, noise. I will not allow Arabic to be shouted at me day and night against my will.

[7-11]

Did anyone go to the city council meeting last night and put there two cents worth in during the open forum?

I doubt it. It's too easy to just biitch about it here. Like the gay marriage thread, hasn't this one run it's course too???

[Cloud9]

It stands to reason that if one doesn't object to the building of the mosque then they wouldn't be at the city council meeting.

[Chad Vander Veen]

It stands to reason that if one doesn't object to the building of the mosque then they wouldn't be at the city council meeting.

Ha ha ha no it doesn't. Good one though. Again, I am just on this side of not opposing it.

[mylo]

YES! Exactly!

I'm glad someone'is paying attention! Let's hear it for debate!

Yes, noise. I will not allow Arabic to be shouted at me day and night against my will.

I'll take Arabic over dogs barking any day! As long as the terrorists kidnap the "Dogs Bark." hicks I'm happy! However, they supposedly are agreeing to only sound the sirens on specific holidays (with permits, as required by Folsom city noise ordinance.. and don't make me quote it again!)