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[New Girl]

Some highlights from the article: http://www.bizjourna...l.html?page=all

 

Not sure about GenCorp, but I know The New Home Co makes all those squished together homes with really small lots. 

 

I love driving through those rolling hills on my way home from EDH, and I will be very sad to see the views of wide open pasture lands change to development. I sure hope they make it nice. 

 

Here's more details: http://ftp.folsom.ca...-DEIS_DRAFT.pdf

The New Home Co also built one of the nicest developments I have seen in Granite Bay.  Large homes on large lots. 

[kcrides99]

While I too am not excited with the prospects of Folsom developing south of 50, I also consider the alternative even less desirable....

 

 If Folsom hadn't annexed the land, then either Sac County or Rancho probably would have... given the development pressures (and the elected officials) in both the County and Rancho, I would rather see Folsom have control over the area than either Sac County OR Rancho.

 

I agree it would have been better preserved in agriculture, but that is just not how this County has decided to operate in the past.

 

As a relative newcomer to the area, I wasn't around when the vote happened, but I do think it was a mistake. I also think that the developers should be on the hook for any and all costs. I don't like the prospects of not having an additional water source one bit.

It is truly sad that we are expanding south of 50... but the alternative would be that Sacramento County or Rancho would annex the land instead. Although I am sad this is no longer Ag land, I am glad it is out of the hands of either rancho or Sac county.

[caligirlz]

The New Home Co also built one of the nicest developments I have seen in Granite Bay.  Large homes on large lots. 

Which development is that?

 

I think the development plan for Folsom calls for smaller homes on smaller lots. So, while it is possible, "Granite Bay" style development isn't going to happen here.

[Rich_T]

It is truly sad that we are expanding south of 50... but the alternative would be that Sacramento County or Rancho would annex the land instead.

 

The other alternative, never put forward to the public, is that Folsom could have annexed the land but not rezoned it.

[bordercolliefan]

 

The other alternative, never put forward to the public, is that Folsom could have annexed the land but not rezoned it.

Then I guess the question is whether the landowners, eager to make some money, could somehow have voted or petitioned to become part of Rancho Cordova or Sac County, with the understanding that those jurisdictions would have re-zoned it for development. 

 

I don't know the answer to this. 

 

There is also yet another alternative: that it could have been re-zoned but restricted in terms of density or how much build-out would be allowed.  I would find a few subdivisions of, say, several hundred homes each more palatable that 11,000 homes. 

[Steve Heard]

I wasn't in Folsom at the time, but for those of you who were, did we have the same opposition to development when the other recent subdivisions were proposed?

 

Briggs Ranch, Empire Ranch, Broadstone, Lexington Hills, all of the subdivisions were once unspoiled wilderness.

 

There's still some building going on north of 50 that doesn't seem to get much protest. 

 

I just wonder why it is different once you cross 50.

 

There is development south of 50 in Rancho to the west and El Dorado Hills to the east. Was there protest over those?

 

I'm not advocating development, I'm just trying to understand why that section of the world is different than the others. 

[Lindke]

I wasn't in Folsom at the time, but for those of you who were, did we have the same opposition to development when the other recent subdivisions were proposed?

 

Briggs Ranch, Empire Ranch, Broadstone, Lexington Hills, all of the subdivisions were once unspoiled wilderness.

 

There's still some building going on north of 50 that doesn't seem to get much protest. 

 

I just wonder why it is different once you cross 50.

 

There is development south of 50 in Rancho to the west and El Dorado Hills to the east. Was there protest over those?

 

I'm not advocating development, I'm just trying to understand why that section of the world is different than the others. 

 

The projects south of 50 were supposed to get their own water source.   Not effect the Northern existing residence.     

 

Nice "trick" by the City Officials.

 

 

We all see it coming.......a few years after the development is completed a huge bond measure funded by the North residence to transport more water to the City of Folsom.

[nomad]

Didn't some of the city officials used to comment on these threads? Where are they now?

[Rich_T]

I'm not advocating development, I'm just trying to understand why that section of the world is different than the others. 

 

Highway 50 is a noticeable boundary, and it's all wide-open prairie to the south of Folsom.  If (when) it gets built out, the S50 area won't really seem like Folsom, it will seem like "South Folsom", a separate new city.  You gotta draw the line at some point with celebrating development (sprawl), regardless of always being able to come up with the anti-NIMBY angle, which could theoretically be used to justify paving over every inch of the state. 

 

I think that common-sense boundaries just "feel" right, and people just "know".  That's why, while I'm not happy with how they just finished cramming in another large neighborhood next to Folsom High School, with lots of homes force-fit in there, it's still not the same as the pending massive development south of 50 (11,000 homes, i.e. adding maybe another 33% to Folsom's population).

[nomad]

Have you seen Ridgecrest lately? They are cramming (multi?) million dollar homes up there like no tomorrow.

[SCA]

While I love our big backyard and am glad there's some space between our home and our neighbors' homes, not everyone wants a yard and the time and expense that it requires. What some people consider crammed others may consider low maintenance. Different strokes for different folks.

[mrrhubarb]

I have been following this for years.....this was rammed down the voters throats on the back of City council (miklos,Howell, etc) and big developer money. they said they were going to get the water elsewhere...that was their big sell. Now they say they will supply it through conservation...wow.....they think the common Folsom residents are a bunch of suckers....They are planning on massive homes spread from Prairie city to Rancho Murieta.....no thought to real business taking part of that development to create jobs. They are planning for Folsom to be just like Elk Grove.....We need to stop this....any ideas?

[camay2327]

I don't think there is any way to stop it. IT IS A DONE DEAL.

 

Like I said earlier, they really pulled the WOOL over everyone's eyes.

 

They also will not show up on this web site any more.

[Steve Heard]

I don't think there is any way to stop it. IT IS A DONE DEAL.

 

Like I said earlier, they really pulled the WOOL over everyone's eyes.

 

They also will not show up on this web site any more.

 

Without addressing the veracity of the south of 50 argument, if you were on the City Council, and you knew that some people believed what they did, would you come and post on this forum?

 

Do you think they would be treated kindly or even fairly, or would people accuse them of lying and being in 'the developers' pockets'?

[The Average Joe]

There is no defense to deeming projected savings a "new" water source. That is like wanting a new Lexus really bad, and only being able to afford a Hyundai, then buying the Lexus anyway and telling yourself you will pay for it with "projected savings."

 

Since when did the people who are supposedly answerable to the people they represent get excused from answering the tough questions? If their actions cannot stand up to scrutiny, that says more about their decisions than it does about the people asking the questions.

 

Would I come on a "hostile" forum? Sure. Why not? If I have nothing to hide, it would be a chance to explain my position. I can guarantee you this, if I were ever elected to any office, I would not only stand behind my decisions and defend them, I would explain to others why I made the choices I did.  You might not agree, but at least you would know my rationale.

 

I'm so sick of the b.s. politispeak where you make vague statements and create soundbites that amount to exactly zero substance. Or, the refusal to even address an issue at all. No comment? Really?

 

Dang it! We are all waiting for someone to stand up, speak the unpleasant truths and tackle problems head on. We need to demand more from our "leaders," both locally and nationally. AND, if we are given the unvarnished truth, we need to act like adults and behave accordingly.