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[maestro]

Do you want to know federal, state, county, city, and other agencies think of the south of 50 plan?

 

http://www.saclafco..../sac_030873.pdf

 

Reclamation did not even write to Folsom, but to the Army Corps, which let the city avoid all 404 compliance for water features.    The Reclamation letter says it all:   page 248 of 735 (mostly objections from other agencies)

 

"The City may desire to certify the current document. However, for purposes of National Environment Protection Act compliance, a supplemental EIS would need to be developed to adequately address the impacts of water supply and water assignment."

Gotta love it;   Go Reclamation!

 

If you wish to read hundreds of pages of Federal, State, Counties, Cities, and their agencies OBJECTING to the sole documentation for the south of 50, check out this document.   

Reclamation listed 111 solid objections to the city's b.s. for the FPA south of 50 plans.

 

  The city's replies to hundreds of such objections fall into several categories:   dePardo calls them "errata", "no specific objection", "noted", or calls them liars in other words.

 

The entire governmental world expressed opposition to south of 50 documents, but our grand city council said:  "noted."   We do our own thing.     Especially good were the Reclamation letters, Sac County Utilities, and the CA PUC letter on page 380 "..key element of the environment.... is not disclosed .... what does that say for the integrity & transparency of the environment process"  (of Folsom for south of 50).

 

 

[olivia]

Anyone have info about the work/drilling being done in the pastures just east of Prairie City before the intersection with Scott?

[ducky]

In the Public Notices section of The Folsom Telegraph:

Notice of Public Review and Notice of Intent to Adopt a Mitigated Negative Declaration

 

It's a long notice, but, in part:

 

"The proposed project consists of the construction of the backbone infrastructure within the Folsom Plan Area, south of Highway 50 in the City of Folsom, CA."

 

Also, "The proposed project consists of two main components: 1) Updates to the Storm Drainage Master Plan (SDMP), Water Infrastructure Plan (WMP), and Sewer Master Plan (SMP) prepared for the implementation of the FPASP Project; and 2) South of Highway 50 Backbone Infrastructure Buildout."

 

It mentions something about the Superfund site, too.

 

Anyway, for anyone interested, the 30-day public review and comment starts Dec. 10 and ends Jan 9, 2015.  It can be viewed at the Community Development Department at 50 Natoma St. and comments can be addressed to Scott Johnson at the same address.

[Lightningrodlarry]

Now that Folsom is expanding onto the Aerojet Superfund Site, they need to be a little more careful with their environmental process. Back before 2008 they were planning to build homes on top of 10,000 ppb TCE in Area 40. Apparently the community development department was not familar with the terms vapor intrusion, follicular lymphoma, renal cancer, and p81s mutations on the Von Hippel Landau gene.  In this city document dated from December https://x.onehub.com...sfers/y1b14de2, on page 122 there is no mention of the radioactive lab waste burned at Area 40. It was relocated to another dump on White Rock Road back in 1970. I think Chris Hennessey at Aerojet said it was called site G-9. At the Community Advisory Group for Aerojet Superfund Site Issues I was told G-9 was so full of ammonium perchlorate that they initially sampled it with a robot for fear the whole thing would blow up. So before you build anything south of 50 you need to double check on whatever is entombed in G-9. I'm guessing it was ash from burned wires, plastic pieces, or whatever from the NERVA nuclear rocket fired in Nevada. Presumably the lab wanted to test the physical integrity of these materials after they were exposed to the radiation from the NERVA engine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NERVA It's probably not a big deal, but you do need to walk around Folsom south of 50 with a geiger counter just to make sure there are no significant hotspots. Especially if the drought continues, the Sacramento and El Dorado County health departments need to monitor for blips in desert fever incidence secondary to construction dust. IMHO perchlorate aerosol exposure, both from aerospace ammonium perchlorate and perhaps natural perchlorate in the same part of the soil profile as where the desert fever fungus resides, likely enhances susceptibility to clinical level desert fever infection.

[supermom]

Now that Folsom is expanding onto the Aerojet Superfund Site, they need to be a little more careful with their environmental process. Back before 2008 they were planning to build homes on top of 10,000 ppb TCE in Area 40. Apparently the community development department was not familar with the terms vapor intrusion, follicular lymphoma, renal cancer, and p81s mutations on the Von Hippel Landau gene.  In this city document dated from December https://x.onehub.com...sfers/y1b14de2, on page 122 there is no mention of the radioactive lab waste burned at Area 40. It was relocated to another dump on White Rock Road back in 1970. I think Chris Hennessey at Aerojet said it was called site G-9. At the Community Advisory Group for Aerojet Superfund Site Issues I was told G-9 was so full of ammonium perchlorate that they initially sampled it with a robot for fear the whole thing would blow up. So before you build anything south of 50 you need to double check on whatever is entombed in G-9. I'm guessing it was ash from burned wires, plastic pieces, or whatever from the NERVA nuclear rocket fired in Nevada. Presumably the lab wanted to test the physical integrity of these materials after they were exposed to the radiation from the NERVA engine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NERVA It's probably not a big deal, but you do need to walk around Folsom south of 50 with a geiger counter just to make sure there are no significant hotspots. Especially if the drought continues, the Sacramento and El Dorado County health departments need to monitor for blips in desert fever incidence secondary to construction dust. IMHO perchlorate aerosol exposure, both from aerospace ammonium perchlorate and perhaps natural perchlorate in the same part of the soil profile as where the desert fever fungus resides, likely enhances susceptibility to clinical level desert fever infection.

are you comparing radioactive elements to a fungus? or is this a list of possible things one can expect to find in aerojet land? last i heard we do not live in the area where desert fever is active.

[Lightningrodlarry]

http://www.sacbee.co...cle2605687.html

"Hopkins, 67, is still physically drained from an early May trip to Mercy Hospital at Folsom, where doctors pumped him with pneumonia antibiotics for more than a week before accurately diagnosing his Valley fever...“Up here, we’re worried about the green rock and the asbestos,” Lizette Hopkins said. “We’re not thinking about Valley fever. Not up here in the foothills.” Well it's Valley Fever as in the San Joaquin Valley, not valley fever as in the general topographic feature. In the California desert, at least, perchlorate concentrations are higher on the tops and sides of hills rather than the valley floor. https://www.soils.or...ticles/43/3/980

 

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.co...l#storylink=cpy

 

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.co...l#storylink=cpy

[Lightningrodlarry]

No Supermom. A prominent Rancho Cordovan who was drinking 300 ppb perchlorate lost a lung to a pleural effusion and desert fever infection, plus all thyroid function. Erin Brockovicn's firm, Masry and Vititoe, asked me to recruit him to get involved with their personal injury litigation, but he wasn't interested.  The pleural effusion may have been enhanced by anti-nuclear antibodies from simultaneous TCE exposure. A little while later his wife died of kidney cancer, which if it involved the P81s mutation to the Von Hippel Landau gene, probably was due to TCE exposure. So for the last 19 years I've evaluated the possibility that perchlorate exposure enhances the chances of acquiring a clinical level desert fever exposure. First of all the desert fever fungus has adapted to the perchlorate in and around the caliche of the desert soil column. Some fungi, like the sporotrichosis you get from thorns, shrivel and decline when exposed to perchlorate's environmental antagonist, iodide. There are also various perchlorate mechanisms at very high doses that probably would make the fungal infection worse: low thyroid hormone levels, greater permeability of the thyroid to infection, blockage of the vasoactive intestinal peptide receptor 1 that helps regulate electrolyte levels in the lung, and disablement of human beta defensin 2 in the skin.  The perchlorate doses from aerosol in Folsom south of 50 are probably not relevant save in the immediate vicinity of Area 40, but just to cover all the bases I sure would like to know what the perchlorate levels were in the garden soil worked by that fellow from Serrano in the Bee who came down with desert fever.

[supermom]

No Supermom. A prominent Rancho Cordovan who was drinking 300 ppb perchlorate lost a lung to a pleural effusion and desert fever infection, plus all thyroid function. Erin Brockovicn's firm, Masry and Vititoe, asked me to recruit him to get involved with their personal injury litigation, but he wasn't interested.  The pleural effusion may have been enhanced by anti-nuclear antibodies from simultaneous TCE exposure. A little while later his wife died of kidney cancer, which if it involved the P81s mutation to the Von Hippel Landau gene, probably was due to TCE exposure. So for the last 19 years I've evaluated the possibility that perchlorate exposure enhances the chances of acquiring a clinical level desert fever exposure. First of all the desert fever fungus has adapted to the perchlorate in and around the caliche of the desert soil column. Some fungi, like the sporotrichosis you get from thorns, shrivel and decline when exposed to perchlorate's environmental antagonist, iodide. There are also various perchlorate mechanisms at very high doses that probably would make the fungal infection worse: low thyroid hormone levels, greater permeability of the thyroid to infection, blockage of the vasoactive intestinal peptide receptor 1 that helps regulate electrolyte levels in the lung, and disablement of human beta defensin 2 in the skin.  The perchlorate doses from aerosol in Folsom south of 50 are probably not relevant save in the immediate vicinity of Area 40, but just to cover all the bases I sure would like to know what the perchlorate levels were in the garden soil worked by that fellow from Serrano in the Bee who came down with desert fever.

ok. desert fever, a;so known as valley fever only strikes about 1% of the population in the sacramento region, each year. The exception was in 1977 when a huge desert dust wind in bakersfield blew out. two days later a rain storn in saramento hit and within a week there were >200 cases of valley fever. 90% resolved itself and a most the rest resolved with anti fungal meds. i believe 1 or 2 died. 

 

Valley fever is primarily found in the south west corner of california, however it does occasioanlly have spikes as far north as San Joaquin county. Because valley fever is caused by a fungus that sits dormant in soil, it can be blown north during harvest times- particularly in the fall months.

 

This is not a aerojet disease. 

[Lightningrodlarry]

It remains to be seen whether or not perchlorate ingestion increases the severity of a desert fever infection. Here's the basics on Area 40, the little teal rectangle at the east (right end) of the site.http://www.onesulliv...ds/Aero_map.jpg

 

It's where Aerojet used waste ammonium perchlorate to burn other more troublesome substances for a variety of reasons: 1. It was the part of the site farthest away from populated areas downgradient. 2. It's underlain by hard metamorphic rock that does not conduct groundwater very quickly. 3. By the time the waste hits the dredged cobbles immediately to the west, it enters the liquid rocket testing area, marked as the purple Operable Unit 8, which has its own major groundwater problems with the breakdown products of Aerozene 50 liquid rocket fuel: Nitrosodimethylamine, tetramethyl tetrazene, and some exotic hydrazines that are more persistent in the environment than simple hydrazine. So you are just dumping bad stuff on top of other bad stuff, no harm done. 4. The groundwater flows bifurcate downgradient from  Area 40 so you get the maximum dilution of whatever you burned there.

 

In 1970, when the Sacramento Aerojet operation stopped being involved with the NERVA nuclear rocket program, the area where lab waste was burned was excavated (on visual inspection I'd say it was only about to a foot or two in depth) and relocated to another dump further down White Rock Road. If my memory serves me correctly, that new repository for the radioactive waste was called site G-9. You would have to ask Alex Macdonald at the Central Valley Regional Water Quality Board or Chris Fennessey at Aerojet to make sure if that is the right name.

 

Area 40 is part of Operable Unit 7, all the areas in teal that were considered to be the most dangerously contaminated. The City of Folsom wants to separate Area 40 from Operable Unit 7 so that it is its own operable unity and thus can be cleaned up more quickly. That would involve hiring additional consultants to do the cleanup. I don't know if Aerojet, the developers, or the City of Folsom is footing the bill for that. Anyway, I was told last year that the City of Folsom wants Area 40 totally remediated by 2018 so houses can be built in the vicinity. My water purveyor, Arden Cordova water, says Folsom will not get the river water to develop this area until a 5 million dollar pipeline from the Carmichael Water District to Arden Cordova's water plant in Gold River is built with Proposition 1 water bond funds.  That will allow the semi-remediated groundwater running through Buffalo Creek to be mixed and diluted in the San Juan Rapids before being piped back to Rancho Cordova taps. After that, I guess Folsom gets all or almost all of Arden Cordova's surface water rights.

[Lightningrodlarry]

@Supermom. You are talking about the means of the infection. Most people in the Southwest get infected with desert fever fungus, but their immune system handles it without any need for getting sick. I'm talking about potential ways perchlorate ingestion makes fighting off the fungal infection more difficult -- immunosuppression, if you will. You will note that the last desert fever outbreak in Sacramento County that you mentioned occurred during the 1976-1977 drought. http://www.weatherwe...m/archives/1038 And there was more Aerojet perchlorate aerosol flying around then because Aerojet had more business back then, so the general risk should be less now than back then. But right up next to Area 40, that may not be so. http://www.newyorker...1/20/death-dust

[maestro]

lightningrodlarry wrote:

Now that Folsom is expanding onto the Aerojet Superfund Site, they need to be a little more careful with their environmental process. Back before 2008 they were planning to build homes on top of 10,000 ppb TCE in Area 40.

 

The four permanent council members appear to have a consistent environmental stance:   Negative Dec for every single thing you mention, but don't register residential construction projects with the State Clearinghouse -- unless caught.    

Ask for all the "free money" fed and state grants, but don't submit anything with a City Engineer's Approval Seal on real, genuine engineered drawings.

 

Buy contaminated land, create new taxing districts which "supercede Mello Roos", and let the future residents suffer all consequences.    Developers need NOT pay upfront  for proper improvements when the council has borrowed for public infrastructure funds, using the full faith & credit of existing city residents.     The last is how the city is proceeding with the raw sewage pipe construction east of Prairie City.     The city is collecting all 3,514 acres raw sewage and building one little pump and pipe to dump it into the existing city Mainline.    Mainline is a 27 inch diameter pipe, sole connection to Regional Sanitation plumbing, near the river and Alder Creek/Willow Creek.       This Folsom Blvd. Mainline of 27 inches, currently has over 133 inches of city sewage pipes fighting to put sewage into it.     Now the city council approved adding all 3,514 acres owned by AKT and Aerojet Easton Div.         

 

Also by a lightningrod, who has sworn engineered evidence and Public Records.

[Lightningrodlarry]

http://online.sfsu.e...eld/xerolls.jpg

 

Your cocci spores -- and your perchlorate, possibly enriched by decades of Aerojet operations -- will be in the xeroll caliche on aridifying, south facing 30% to 70% slopes. So it is more plentiful around Loomis and Rocklin than Folsom right now, but if the drought intensifies this problem will become more relevant for Folsom as the city moves south. A study of the Jan to August 45 cases of desert fever in San Joaquin County, and their relationship to the eastern edge of the county and non-agricultural occupation, will give some empirical notion as to what kind of risk will be presented if the drought intensifies. Most of the cocci cases in San Joaquin County occur on the west side around Tracy.

[Lightningrodlarry]

In terms of vegetation type you are looking at slopes at the intersection of grass/fire fuel model 1 (white) and scrub fuel model 4, so the open red rings in the white zone at the base of the foothills: http://frap.fire.ca....ages/Image2.gif The good news is Folsom Mercy now knows firsthand what desert fever looks like.

[Lightningrodlarry]

They are gathering hard data on cocci exposure incidence right now at Folsom Prison for purposes of transferring previously exposed inmates to Avenal or Pleasant Valley outside Coalinga. $60 commercial test now available, 10-20% of the prison population has previously fought off the infection. My guess is there is a significant bias towards Hispanics testing positive. http://www.correctio...r-valley-fever/

 

So if you test negative now, but test positive after building your dream hilltop house with a view, there maybe some local cocci to check into. The two questions are: 1.Does a spore encrusted in a perchlorate-rich caliche have an improved chance of successfully infecting someone?  2. If you have already beaten off a cocci infection, can you get immunosuppressed enough from TCE (anti-nuclear antibodies) and perchlorate (low thyroid, blocked vasoactive intestinal peptide receptor 1, impaired human beta defensin 2, anti-phospholipid antibodies) to have a relapse? So if you move next to Area 40, come down with lupus, and then get a bad desert fever infection, there is reason to be suspicious.

 

Your meds for the anti-immune problem help set you up for the fungal infection. Here is the scenario:

J Rheumatol. 1983 Feb;10(1):79-84.

Fatal coccidioidomycosis in collagen vascular diseases.

Johnson WM, Gall EP.

Abstract

Ten patients who died from coccidioidomycosis in Arizona from 1968 to 1975 had underlying collagen vascular diseases: 4 with rheumatoid arthritis, 4 with systemic lupus erythematosus, and 2 with dermatomyositis. All 10 patients had been treated with corticosteroids; 2 were taking cytotoxic drugs. Collagen vascular diseases and the use of corticosteroids and cytotoxic drugs may be associated with the depression of cell-mediated immunity. The potential for opportunistic coccidioidomycosis should be noted when corticosteroids and cytotoxic drugs are used for treating collagen vascular disease in patients residing in or coming from areas where coccidioidomycosis is endemic.

PMID: 6842490 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[maestro]

http://online.sfsu.e...eld/xerolls.jpg

 

Your cocci spores -- and your perchlorate, possibly enriched by decades of Aerojet operations -- will be in the xeroll caliche on aridifying, south facing 30% to 70% slopes. So it is more plentiful around Loomis and Rocklin than Folsom right now, but if the drought intensifies this problem will become more relevant for Folsom as the city moves south.

 

 

My Youtube channel 4sewerdogs shows Folsom Reservoir is more dry material than wet.      Perhaps we all need to worry about  valley fever.      But the drought means water quality is NOT of the quality it used to be when the snowmelt supplied us fresh water.        No one is yet mentioning the level of polymer residues entering our water from the air.

 

With respect to FPA (Folsom Plan Area)  3,514 acres south of 50, there is no water to support this development, unless you count the water imagined to exist by the council.     Check out the city council agenda for next Tues. regarding FPA water and financing the pipe to transport reservoir water (which does not exist).