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Posted 10 June 2011 - 10:39 AM

$500 rental in Folsom???? for what, a room? a trailer? on Wales?

Home Run Rentals handles high-end rentals in Folsom. I've never seen anything on that website in Folsom for less than $1800/mo. Just saying...

And lots of renters are those who have lost their homes to foreclosure or short sale, so they aren't buying right away anyways.


I think you're right. Even this is going for over $700.

http://www.rentals.com/California/Folsom/r933476/

I saw a condo for sale over on Wales for $75,000. If you were able to put 10% down, the payments would be less than than $700. I'd prefer it to living at "Modern Natoma Heights" (never heard that area called that before.) unless, of course, it's the condo where the shooting happened, but I think they have to tell you that through some sort of real estate law, don't they?

There's a lot of bargains under $200,000 in the older neighborhoods. It's a shame that people get steered away from them. They really can be nice places to live and most have great yards.

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 12:33 PM

I think you're right. Even this is going for over $700.

http://www.rentals.com/California/Folsom/r933476/

I saw a condo for sale over on Wales for $75,000. If you were able to put 10% down, the payments would be less than than $700. I'd prefer it to living at "Modern Natoma Heights" (never heard that area called that before.) unless, of course, it's the condo where the shooting happened, but I think they have to tell you that through some sort of real estate law, don't they?

There's a lot of bargains under $200,000 in the older neighborhoods. It's a shame that people get steered away from them. They really can be nice places to live and most have great yards.



I know of a place being rented in Old Folsom for $375/mo. It is a one bedroom house. Probably about 500 sq feet.

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 01:00 PM

I think you're right. Even this is going for over $700.

http://www.rentals.com/California/Folsom/r933476/

I saw a condo for sale over on Wales for $75,000. If you were able to put 10% down, the payments would be less than than $700. I'd prefer it to living at "Modern Natoma Heights" (never heard that area called that before.) unless, of course, it's the condo where the shooting happened, but I think they have to tell you that through some sort of real estate law, don't they?

There's a lot of bargains under $200,000 in the older neighborhoods. It's a shame that people get steered away from them. They really can be nice places to live and most have great yards.


I was looking at a local realtor's website earlier, but I didn't see that many homes under $200,000 in the older neighborhoods. I came up with 78 listings between $100,000-$200,000 in Folsom, but they are all over the map, location-wise. I also see a lot of trailer homes, land & condo's in this price range.

For example:
820 DUCHOW Way; 208 Montrose >>$199,000
235 Montrose $170,000
810 Duchow Way; 941 School St; 506 Wales >> ~ $165,000
96 Dean Way, $150,000
Everything else is land, condo's and trailers

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 01:25 PM

I know of a place being rented in Old Folsom for $375/mo. It is a one bedroom house. Probably about 500 sq feet.


I think I know where that is.

I bet the closet space is amazing.

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 01:34 PM

I was looking at a local realtor's website earlier, but I didn't see that many homes under $200,000 in the older neighborhoods. I came up with 78 listings between $100,000-$200,000 in Folsom, but they are all over the map, location-wise. I also see a lot of trailer homes, land & condo's in this price range.

For example:
820 DUCHOW Way; 208 Montrose >>$199,000
235 Montrose $170,000
810 Duchow Way; 941 School St; 506 Wales >> ~ $165,000
96 Dean Way, $150,000
Everything else is land, condo's and trailers


There's homes on School, Market, Avon, Henderson, McKiernan & Coralie just from a quick check if the listings I was looking at are current in the 140,000 to 183,500 range. I even saw one on McKiernan listed at $49,000, but I think that must be a typo.

Maybe I like promoting the area because I'd like to see more families fixing up places than see them turn into rentals. Living back behind East Bidwell is really a great walkable neighborhood. Your kids can walk to elementary as well as middle school. You can walk to grocery stores, banks, post office, box stores. Even better, you can walk to Sutter Street and the river without having to put up with the parking issues the Historic District has to put up with. Okay. I'll get off my :soapbox: now.

If you don't want a yard, there's lots of townhouse/condo type places in Esplanade, but I'm not sure if that would have an added condo association fee you would have to factor into your monthly payment.

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 03:01 PM

There's homes on School, Market, Avon, Henderson, McKiernan & Coralie just from a quick check if the listings I was looking at are current in the 140,000 to 183,500 range. I even saw one on McKiernan listed at $49,000, but I think that must be a typo. I think the website I looked at was not the MLS.

Maybe I like promoting the area because I'd like to see more families fixing up places than see them turn into rentals. I completely agree.

Living back behind East Bidwell is really a great walkable neighborhood. Your kids can walk to elementary as well as middle school. You can walk to grocery stores, banks, post office, box stores. Even better, you can walk to Sutter Street and the river without having to put up with the parking issues the Historic District has to put up with. Okay. I'll get off my :soapbox: now. Walkability is definately a plus. I'm not opposed to that neighborhood, really, the issue for me is the yards are really big.

If you don't want a yard, there's lots of townhouse/condo type places in Esplanade, but I'm not sure if that would have an added condo association fee you would have to factor into your monthly payment. While I like the idea of no or low yard maintenance is great, I really do not want to live in a huge condo community.


Is this address in the neighborhood above - 121 Sierra Woods Cir? It has been beautifully re-done.

My heart's desires limit my choices. I have to decide IF and WHAT I'm willing to compromise on. If I can't, then I will wait. ;)

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 03:18 PM

Is this address in the neighborhood above - 121 Sierra Woods Cir? It has been beautifully re-done.

My heart's desires limit my choices. I have to decide IF and WHAT I'm willing to compromise on. If I can't, then I will wait. ;)


I'm not sure what address you're asking about.

Absolutely you should wait until you find what you are looking for. I hope you find something perfect for you soon:)

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 04:53 PM

I simply want to make the point that with so many homes changing ownership through foreclosures at auctions, the information you provide through activity through the MLS isn't as accurate of a barometer as it may have been in the past. We really need to consider ALL transactions to get a clearer picture of what is happening in the real estate market.


Actually most of the homes sold at auction for cash end up on MLS as Flips. To focus on them would skew the facts. You can't really count the Auction price since at that point you have an unwilling seller/tenant and no financing available. "Cash for keys" the occupants, clean , repair, and re-list property at market value. The second sale represents closer the open market value.

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 05:38 PM

I do appreciate and expect your replies. I know that homes which are sold at auction aren't reported through MLS, but that only adds to number of sales.

Based on the MLS data, the number of homes being purhased through MLS are increasing despite the lack of job growth and other economic indicators.

What do you think is driving that?


Again, I think one has to look at the data in the proper perspective.

We recently had a period of record low number of transactions. If there aren't any transactions in a period, then any transactions in the next period will be an increase.

Since there are always buyers in a market, at some point values will decline, to entice buyers to buy. As values continue to decline they reach prices that become more affordable to some and less of a risk to investors. So the number of potential buyers increase. Buyers either need a stable job and some savings or be independently wealthy to be buying now. Without job growth, the demand for housing stays flat, because the lack of jobs limits the number of people who can afford to buy a home.

So for the 70 or so people who bought homes in May in Folsom and purchased them at a lower value, this may be good news for them, but for the other 25,000 existing homeowners the news isn't so good. Not only are their values declining, but the amount of revenue flowing into the citys coffers is declining, translating into less city services or higher fees to maintain the existing services.

It just seems....unusual, for someone to be spinning the positives of the market for few, when the other 99% are suffering losses, specially when the person doing the spinning is getting paid from sales from the few and is only disclosing a portion of the news about total transactions.

People should know me well enough by now to know I'm simply trying to add another perspective to comments. I simply believe that the more information people have, they will be better prepared to make better choices.

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Posted 10 June 2011 - 09:49 PM

Again, I think one has to look at the data in the proper perspective.

We recently had a period of record low number of transactions. If there aren't any transactions in a period, then any transactions in the next period will be an increase.

Since there are always buyers in a market, at some point values will decline, to entice buyers to buy. As values continue to decline they reach prices that become more affordable to some and less of a risk to investors. So the number of potential buyers increase. Buyers either need a stable job and some savings or be independently wealthy to be buying now. Without job growth, the demand for housing stays flat, because the lack of jobs limits the number of people who can afford to buy a home.


Who decides which is the proper perspective?

Are you saying that an increase doesn't count because previously there were less? Are you saying that increases have to be sustained before they count? How long, in your proper perspective, is long enough to say that the increase in sales is indeed an increase in sales?

The press says that sales are down, but the numbers tell a different story.

No slicing or dicing of the numbers. This purely based on results.

I think you and I are making the same points, that housing is affordable and people are taking advantage of the market by purchasing homes at low prices and with low interest rates.

The difference is, I see that as good for the market and you see it as bad.

And you are correct, one must have a job or be wealthy to buy a home. I can honestly say that I've never sold a home to anyone who didn't have a job, and I've only sold one that I can remember, to a guy I'd call independently wealthy.

So for the 70 or so people who bought homes in May in Folsom and purchased them at a lower value, this may be good news for them, but for the other 25,000 existing homeowners the news isn't so good. Not only are their values declining, but the amount of revenue flowing into the citys coffers is declining, translating into less city services or higher fees to maintain the existing services.


Actually, the number of buyers for May was 88, not 70, and home sales are good for the entire community. Of the 88 sold, 43 were either short-sale or foreclosures, meaning that they were not adding to the city's coffers. Now that they have owners, their tax dollars will start coming in, and these new owners will be buying everything from paint to furniture and even insurance, spreading more money throughout the community.

For example, I sold a house for someone who hadn't made a payment in over a year, and he didn't pay his property taxes either. When it was purchased, taxes were paid, the new owner painted the place and had repairs made, and he bought insurance for the place. That home, which neighbors once complained about as an eyesore, is now producing tax revenue for the city, and other service providers made money, too. I think that's a good thing, and I don't see how you can't understand that.

By the way, the city of Folsom website says we have about 18,000 households, not 25,000, and I'm one of those home owners who has seen my property value decline. I want the distressed property to be sold as quickly as possible so we can start on the road back. It will take years, but as buyers continue to see value in purchasing homes, we're moving in the right direction.

It just seems....unusual, for someone to be spinning the positives of the market for few, when the other 99% are suffering losses, specially when the person doing the spinning is getting paid from sales from the few and is only disclosing a portion of the news about total transactions.


Robert, there is no spin here. That graph shows in plain fact with no alteration, the number of homes sold and reported through channels (the MLS).

As mentioned above, when homes sell, that is a positive for all of us, putting money back into the city's coffers to pay for the services you always say we don't have the money for. When those properties are sold, they are no longer competition for others who want to sell. When those properties are sold, the buyers spend money on their new homes.

On the contrary, if they sit on the market unsold, the drop in value each month, dragging down my home's value as well as yours and everyone else's.

I am neither disclosing nor withholding anything. I am presenting sales data as published and reported by MLS. If you have a better source, which will disclose the rest of the story, please let me know, as I'd love to see the data.

In January, 53 homes were sold in Folsom, 55 in February, 89 in March, 85 in April and 88 in May. When sales were on the rise last year, you warned us that it was only temporary and due to the government tax credits. Those credits are long gone, jobs haven't come back in significant numbers, but people are buying more homes.

Maybe they should have listned to you.

Let me ask you, if you wrote 30 more insurance policies per month for 3 months would you call that an increase or would it be spin?

Regardless, month after month I'll continue to report raw data on sales, and month after month, I'll expect you to chime in and explain why you don't think it's real, and how there's more to the story, and how until jobs come back prices will fall, and how things are bad and getting worse, and so on.

People should know me well enough by now to know I'm simply trying to add another perspective to comments. I simply believe that the more information people have, they will be better prepared to make better choices.


People should know me well enough to know that that's exactly what I'm doing. The news is full of bad news and outrageous claims about the housing market, and I am adding the perspective that every market is different, and that in Folsom, sales are increasing and inventory is decreasing, and if that continues, we'll start our recovery.

I don't expect recovery any time soon, but increased sales are good for everyone.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 08:31 AM

Who decides which is the proper perspective?

People should know me well enough to know that that's exactly what I'm doing. The news is full of bad news and outrageous claims about the housing market, and I am adding the perspective that every market is different, and that in Folsom, sales are increasing and inventory is decreasing, and if that continues, we'll start our recovery.

I don't expect recovery any time soon, but increased sales are good for everyone.


Everyone gets to decide for themselves what is the proper perspective. All I'm trying to encourage everyone to do is to factor in NOT only the MLS information you post but to also recognize there are a significant number of other transactions that are going on that aren't showing up in the numbers you post.

Its these 2 numbers that tell the real story of what is going on in the market.

Its NOT about being negative or positive, its simply tring to get as much information out there so people can form their own opinions.

As you said we agree on many things, it is a great time to buy, if you like your home and can afford what you are paying, don't worry about the value, Folsom should continue to be a more desirable city to live within Sac County to live.

Unfortunately, in our region between unemployment/under employment and those who have quit looking for work, probably represent more than 20% or 1 in 5. When 1 in 5 adults are struggling it reduces the demand for housing, because they can't afford to pay for housing so they loose their homes. With less demand for housing, values will decline. Declining values isn't good news!

I suspect more homes typically sell in May than Janaury or February every year. So is the rise in activity this spring a result of a turn in the market or is it a seasonal thing that happens every year?

After the incentives expired last year, weren't sales numbers down for a few months? I know a couple who used that program to get into a home, guess what they regret buying it when they did. They used all their money and are now seeing similiar homes selling for a lot less that they could have bought now. They are almost under water with his job situation in jeopardy. If they would have waited they could have saved more money and paid a lot less, thereby been able to afford their housing on ONE income.

Many of the homes for sale are coming onto the market because people can't afford housing because of a lack of jobs. There isn't ANY good news in this at all!

Eventually, we will get to the bottom. That will only happen when job losses stop and their is growth in Jobs. Given all the reality of what the State, the County, Schools and city are Citys are facing job losses are going to continue. These problems will have an effect on the housing market going forward.

No amount of hype or spin will change the fundamentals that are driving our declining housing values.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 04:12 PM

Robert, what I posted was a summary of resale home for the Folsom real estate market. It is not a state of the union address. Yes, there are many factors affecting the sale of goods and services, including price, interest rates, jobs, future business plans, the cost of energy, war, consumer confidence and a host of other factors, but it all boils down to supply and demand.

On the Folsom resale market for homes listed, sold and reported through MLS, which is where most buyers and sellers meet, we have an increase in demand and a dwindling supply.

No other way to put it.

No, the foreclosure sold at auction, the 'for sale by owner' and the father selling to the son and other transactions aren't reported, and for good reasons; first, if they weren't listed through MLS, MLS cannot capture and report the data, second, your typical resale buyer does not have access to those homes. That's why appraisers and underwriters look at resale numbers first and foremost. Those numbers determine what the average person would be likely to pay for a particular home.

Its NOT about being negative or positive, its simply tring to get as much information out there so people can form their own opinions.


That's exactly what I'm doing, giving information for consumers to make their own decisions. I can't tell you how often people find out I sell real estate and feel sorry for me, or worry about me because things are so bad. I have to tell them that I'm on my 3rd straight year of strong, positive sales and am busier than ever. They are always surprised because the only news they hear is how bad everything is.

Unfortunately, in our region between unemployment/under employment and those who have quit looking for work, probably represent more than 20% or 1 in 5. When 1 in 5 adults are struggling it reduces the demand for housing, because they can't afford to pay for housing so they loose their homes. With less demand for housing, values will decline. Declining values isn't good news!


The number of closed sales show an increasing demand for housing, plain and simple.

I suspect more homes typically sell in May than Janaury or February every year. So is the rise in activity this spring a result of a turn in the market or is it a seasonal thing that happens every year?


There is an ebb and flow throughout the year, but yes, more homes are typically sold during the spring, and typically, more homes are listed in spring, too.

I looked back at the last 5 years of MLS data and check the figures from January through the end of May:

2006 326 sold, 77 pending, 461 on the market, inventory rising, peaked at 561 for the year.
2007 385 sold, 74 pending, 407 on the market, inventory rising, peaked at 447.
2008 290 sold, 91 pending, 305 on the market, inventory up and down, peaked at 325.
2009 283 sold, 79 pending, 268 on the market, inventory declinging, peaked at 306.
2010 340 sold, 65 pending, 250 on the market, inventory rising, peaked at 310. This was the year of tax incentives.
2011 370 sold, 135 pending,221 on the market, inventory declining, peak so far 278. No tax incentives this year.

This appears to show that there is more demand this year, and less inventory.

After the incentives expired last year, weren't sales numbers down for a few months? I know a couple who used that program to get into a home, guess what they regret buying it when they did. They used all their money and are now seeing similiar homes selling for a lot less that they could have bought now. They are almost under water with his job situation in jeopardy. If they would have waited they could have saved more money and paid a lot less, thereby been able to afford their housing on ONE income.


Yes! Last year at this time, 340 homes had been sold WITH incentives, inventory was rising, and sales dropped off to average about 59 per month afterward.

This year, WITHOUT incentives, 370 were sold and inventory is declining.

I recall when discussing the numbers last year, you said something to the effect that the incentives did not spur new sales but rather encouraged people who were already going to buy to buy sooner, so that there really wasn't an increase in sales.

Again, you make my point in that last sentence, that now buyers can afford homes, even with one income.

No amount of hype or spin will change the fundamentals that are driving our declining housing values.


Glad I only post numbers rather than offer spin and hype. The raw numbers show an increse in demand and a dwindling supply. These markers are positives for the housing market. I don't know where the bottom is, and the buying trends could change in an instant, but of the hundreds of people who bought homes in Folsom this year, I'd bet most have jobs and most are happy they were able to buy.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 07:23 PM

Steve, as long as jobs are lost housing values will fall. You can point to this Stat or that stat or talk about nearing the bottom, but sadly values are falling. These falling values affect everyone.

I can't see anything positive for real estate as long as jobs are continuing to be lost. In our area, our economy is very dependent on the public sector. Since we as a region really haven't had to deal with all the cuts that are now being made and future cuts due to declining revenues. Unfortunately we are looking at further declines in values.

My take on our discussion is you are trying to point out stats that indicate we might be nearing the bottom and I'm saying you aren't taking into consideration all the factors including the effects of Job losses through the public sector and the additional transactions not listed through the MLS.

Eventually, there will be a bottom to the market.. This will happen when the population of the region have enough income to be able to afford the available housing.

There should be more activity today since values have plummented over 30%. What this is a race to the bottom between jobs and real estate values. This ISN't Good news.

If Job losses stabilize, then Values will stabilize....then activity and inventory will play a more significant role in determining values.

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 10:47 PM

Steve, as long as jobs are lost housing values will fall. You can point to this Stat or that stat or talk about nearing the bottom, but sadly values are falling. These falling values affect everyone.


That's kinda funny. On your earlier posts you accuse me of not providing enough stats, and you counter with stats of your own, then when I give you 5 years of stats, stats don't mean anything. Did I get that right?

I can't see anything positive for real estate as long as jobs are continuing to be lost. In our area, our economy is very dependent on the public sector. Since we as a region really haven't had to deal with all the cuts that are now being made and future cuts due to declining revenues. Unfortunately we are looking at further declines in values.


I CAN see something positive in real estate. Instead of more and more homes being dumped on the market, sales declining and interest rate rising, the opposite is happening.

My take on our discussion is you are trying to point out stats that indicate we might be nearing the bottom and I'm saying you aren't taking into consideration all the factors including the effects of Job losses through the public sector and the additional transactions not listed through the MLS.


Then your take is incorrect. I can't tell you how often I say, and have done so even in this thread, that we don't know where the bottom is. You see, we won't know the bottom until prices rise and continue to do so. When that happens, we'll know because of the stats.

I am pointing out stats that say, despite what you've heard about tons of foreclosure on the market, people afraid to buy, and lenders making it nearly impossible to get loans, sales data show that not to be true.

Eventually, there will be a bottom to the market.. This will happen when the population of the region have enough income to be able to afford the available housing.

There should be more activity today since values have plummented over 30%. What this is a race to the bottom between jobs and real estate values. This ISN't Good news.


No, it's not about when the population can afford the available housing. Affordability is at an all-time high. A $200,000 loan would have payments of about $1000, plus tax and insurance of perhaps another $300. To qualify, an individual or couple would need to make about $45,000.

For a $150,000 loan, one would have payments of about $1000, requiring household income of about $36,000.

I've written about it before, when prices are going up, people tend to stretch, beg, borrow and steal to get a home, but when prices are falling, people generally pull back.

Today, we see that even with falling prices (as shown in the graphs I post month after month), and with all the bad news on the doorstep, sales are increasing in Folsom and inventory is declinging in Folsom.

That's all.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:04 AM

That's kinda funny. On your earlier posts you accuse me of not providing enough stats, and you counter with stats of your own, then when I give you 5 years of stats, stats don't mean anything. Did I get that right?


No you didn't get it right. Therein lies the problem

What part of values continuing to decline don't you get? This isn't positive news for anyone, unless you are a buyer

People who invested money and bought just a few years ago are now upside down. With Job losses continuing and no growth...at some point these people won't be able to afford to pay for housing and more and more homes will come onto the market. This is what the experts are concerend about and why some are predicting another 20% decline in values.

Its NOT about activity or how many deals you are working on, its simply there aren't enough jobs to support expansion. With job losses, the pool of QUALIFIED elgible buyers, is also decreasing. No One is saying they AREN'T out there, but IF things were so positive as you present, then there wouldn't be any inventory at all.

Maybe you could share with everyone your theory on, Why banks are wholesaling houses at auction through the foreclosure process if news is as positive as you claim? Banks aren't stupid as some may think. They know and foresee further drops in values, therefore they want out ASAP cutting their losses now, instead of loosing more later. This is why banks are accepting about $120 per foot on semi custom homes in Folsom at auctions.

I understand your point about inventory, but this market isn't like anything else ever seen. That is why one has to take into account of ALL the factors that are contributing to declining values.

The bottom line is we have a ways to go to reach the bottom and I don't see anything positive in that!




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