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[TruthSeeker]

[2 Aces]

Regarding that statistic, I say *Thank God*.

We obviously needed the prisons, and may need more since our country no longer has even a hint of a southern border.

As far as Universities, we've got plenty of them, and they've done enough damage and indoctrination...if you know what I mean.

[Carl G]

Is the suggestion that those in prison would be in college if we built more?  I doubt it.

[supermom]

No, we just need to shut down the universities that advocate the dream act.

 

And then we need to shut down the welfare offices all up and down california. 

pssht- if you get hungry enough to need to go to a hospital for free healthcare then on the way you better pick up job application and fill it out while you wait for care.

[camay2327]

GOOD....

[supermom]

Anyway, According to our fearless leader (BS) Governor Mr. Potty Mouth Brown

 

We may not have opened up a whole lot of universities but we made degrees easier and more available to attain by harnessing local college campuses and renting buildings as satelite campuses for the new 2 year BA/BS degrees.

 

Hey Mr. Potty Mouth Brown, it ain't just your water ideas that are full of ... !        

[Judge Smails]

Why are you opposed to making education more accessible?

[TruthSeeker]

Why are you opposed to making education more accessible?

 

I'll admit I was surprised to see so many comments pro prison and anti education.

 

In a way that's like saying they prefer criminals to educated people  ... ?

[Steve Heard]

Although it is true that we are building more jails that universities, building more universities is not necessarily the solution.

 

It is true that access to higher education is limited, expensive and sometimes difficult, but according to the National Education Association, nearly 80% of incarcerated individuals are high school dropouts.

 

The real issue is keeping kids in high school. Until we have leaders in poor communities, including parents, who value and push for education, nothing will change.

 

They will argue that there aren't any opportunities for them even if they graduate, and in some areas that may be true to a certain extent, but there are other factors at play.

 

When one is in school, one is less likely to be idle, bored, hopeless, angry and desperate. Most dropouts do so when they are in their early to mid teens, less mature and more prone to negative behavior. Kids graduate generally at 17 or 18, with a couple of years of maturity under their belts, and are less likely to exhibit negative or criminal behavior.

 

High school graduates are more employable, and chronic unemployment leaves one idle, broke and desperate.

[supermom]

 

I'll admit I was surprised to see so many comments pro prison and anti education.

 

In a way that's like saying they prefer criminals to educated people  ... ?

I am not anti-education

 

I am anti-disolvement of the educational experience through cheap, state mandated and state controlled education such as 2 year bs degrees.

 

I am also anti educating prisoners for free.

 

that is no less disheartening than the government willing to give a sex change to an old prisoner rather than free eye and mouth insurance to poor kids.

[2 Aces]

I think the prisons in California do what they are designed to do.

Do schools/universities/colleges in California do what they are designed to do? Depends who you ask.

[Steve Heard]

I think the prisons in California do what they are designed to do.

Do schools/universities/colleges in California do what they are designed to do? Depends who you ask.

 

The question is, 'is what they are designed to do the best thing for society?' 

 

We used to send people to prison for rehabilitation. Now, it's to get them off the streets, but that's only temporary.

[nomad]

The book never written: "Prison Rehab Success Stories"

[supermom]

There are plenty of people who successfully leave prison and have learned their lesson. They go on to lead productive lives. Even if society will always see them as convicts and not give them well paying jobs; ever again. 

 

yes, there are plenty of round robins as well.

 

I think the truth is that as a society we have not spent enough time exploring an individual plan for success in rehabilitation; because A) the cost, B) the animosity towards housing them during prison and paying for rehab-as well as all the extraneous things like social welfare for their family, increased crime from within the family, etc

 

You want to make a difference- figure out a way to rehabilitate the negative addictive behaviors of people who do not want to be rehabilitated and still manage to not get imprisoned yourself for crimes against humanity/unethical behavior.

 

A large percent of crimes are either because of drugs or occurred while under the influence of drugs. Figure out a way to negate the ill effects of drugs and most prison populations will quickly decline.

[Carl G]

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They will argue that there aren't any opportunities for them even if they graduate, and in some areas that may be true to a certain extent, but there are other factors at play.

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Whatever the situation, opportunities will be less for any person who goes to prison than who graduates from high school.  I'm sure someone has the stats, but I'm guessing that vast majority of those in both camps didn't have a father in the house growing up.  Therein lays the major contributing factor for the problem.