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#16 Steve Heard

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 05:49 AM

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It's a matter of perspective. Kids who do drugs and alcohol usually don't do it alone. In their peer group, perhaps 75 to 80% is accurate, and to them, that's representative of the community at large.

Conversely, kids who don't do drugs generally hang out with kids who don't, but they may know or know of some who do. To them, they may think only 5 to 20% do it.


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Posted 31 March 2004 - 07:54 AM

FolsomJunior is a real kid with little imagination who does what the other kids with little imagination do.

In his limited experience, he thinks everyone is the same as him because he doesn't go beyond his small circle of friends.

So he spends his time surfing the internet, finds this site where people consider serious issues, then makes fun of it and Folsom to be provocative and insulting. Because that's what bored little boys do.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 07:54 AM

I think that the Forum Moderators know who these teens are, if they are teens, that are posting these messages. We have no way of knowing who they are.

Maybe it is time to send an undercover Narc into the school, unless there is already one in there.
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Posted 31 March 2004 - 07:56 AM

I don't think the most important issue is whether or not the percentages reported are accurate. If a teen perceives that drug and alcohol use at the high school is a problem, we need to listen.

I have a sitter who is a sophomore at FHS. I have no reason to doubt her. She and I have discussed this issue, and she also feels that drug use and casual sexual activity among students is a problem. It is her perception that over 50% of the student body uses/has used drugs.

If we adults read between the lines, I think we can hear students saying that there is dangerous behavior, and that they wish it would would go away.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 08:08 AM

dave: Not to be argumentative, but simply concerned, I have to ask what if FolsomJunior IS real?

When someone calls a crisis hotline, the assumption is made that the anonymous caller is real, unless he acts is a way to make the listener believe otherwise. Granted our Forum is not a crisis hotline, but what if FJ truly has a worry about his peers? Sure, he might have been bored and was surfing the internet. Why don't we just wait and see if he makes more posts. If we then we think he is just playing with us, we can politely "close the door." But until then, I think we need to keep that door open.


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Posted 31 March 2004 - 08:12 AM

You folks that want to write off what Junior here is saying are simply trying to avert your eyes from reality. It's been only 7 years since I graduated high school and I would have to believe that at least a majority of Folsom's high schoolers are drinking and/or doing drugs. And I can guarantee that at least as many are have had or are having sex. You many think you are doing a great job as a parent, but if you are that secure in your parenting abilities, your kid is probably doing things you can't imagine.

Don't be a sucker, odds are your teen is not a virgin and and probably has a favorite liquor.

Hey Junior, where are these parties at? Ha ha ha...just kidding... sort of. whistle.gif

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 08:53 AM

Just a note. I taught public high school from 1961 until I left in 1991. There were 2,000 kids on campus. Most were bored, and into drugs, drinking, and partying. The 1980's it became worse and worse. By 1991 I personally had had it and left teaching on a stress leave up until I retired in 1993.

I could not believe how defensive the parents were, and every time there was a parent/teacher meeting regarding a student problem, the TEACHER was to blame. The parents could not seem to believe it was their student who had the problems.

Even if the person who started this thread is a troll, even in 1990 there were major drug, sex, and drinking problems on high school campuses.

The other problem was you were either popular or you were ignored.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 09:15 AM

I graduated from Folsom High School 12 years ago, myself. When I was there, many, many kids were involved in alcohol, drugs and sex. It wasn't just the "bad" kids, either (you know...the guys with the long hair and tattoos and the girls who hung out with them). The "good" kids - those from affluent, respected families - were just as involved, and were probably MORE involved in the drugs and sex part. Crank, acid and Marijuana use was widespread amongst the kids with money. One common thread I saw amongst those kids who avoided this stuff (for the most part) was that they were involved in LOTS of activities. Perhaps all of those activities just limited the amount of time they had to get into trouble. Who knows? I know that I, personally, came to the fork in the road several times and could just as easily have ended up doing all of that stuff as not. In truth, I did less of any of those things than many kids, but probably more of some than my parents would have liked. Thankfully, I never got into the drug scene and didn't have much opportunity to drink as a kid.

Parents have to keep their eyes open and not assume that it's only other people's kids who do this stuff. The chances are probably very good that if you have highschool aged kids, they've probably at least experimented with some of this. If they haven't, it's almost a sure bet that some of their friends have. Think about it.


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Posted 31 March 2004 - 09:16 AM

Farley is right. When I was in high school in the mid 90's, we were the "good kids" on ASB, AP classes, etc, and all me and my friends wanted to do was get drunk and have sex. Granted, both were easier said then done, but that was what we tried to do anyway on the weekends.

Oh, and if your kid says they are not having sex, that probably means they only engage in oral sex. And if they haven't tried drugs, that means they have only smoked pot. Seriously folks, talk to your kids early. You are probably already too late.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 09:23 AM

QUOTE (c_vanderveen @ Mar 31 2004, 09:16 AM)
When I was in high school in the mid 90's, we were the "good kids" on ASB, AP classes, etc, and all me and my friends wanted to do was get drunk and have sex. Granted, both were easier said then done, but that was what we tried to do anyway on the weekends.


Hey, we probably had some of the same teachers - Mr. Moore, Mr. Haven, etc. I love this quote, "...both were easier said than done, but that was what we tried to do...". It's not funny....but it is in a way.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 09:24 AM

I hate what is going on in this subject. It's all speculation. Give me some facts!!!!

99% screwed around.

99.99% doing drugs.

Give me some facts, facts, not speculations because of some personal experience and implied that is the facts of Folsom High.

We can't have some kid, FolsomJunior00, or whoever this person is, that we don't even know if he/she is legit, came on board and spread some unproven information and get all hypered. I am not saying that this piece of information is true OR not.



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Posted 31 March 2004 - 09:29 AM

QUOTE (folsomBlondie @ Mar 31 2004, 09:24 AM)
I hate what is going on in this subject. It's all speculation. Give me some facts!!!!

99% screwed around.

99.99% doing drugs.

Give me some facts, facts, not speculations because of some personal experience and implied that is the facts of Folsom High.

How would you propose we come up with those facts? If you look up at the sky on a partly cloudy day, can you say whether the sky is 90% clouds? 70%? Probably not with any accuracy...you just know there are a lot of clouds up there. One would be very hard pressed to get the kids who are actually involved in this stuff to honestly answer a survey about it, because it seems that kids are generally fairly suspicious that any such information might somehow make it back to their parents or end up in their "record".

It might be a quarter of the population of kids, or maybe half, but the truth of the matter is that it's a lot of them. Exactly what percent? Difficult to say. I will tell you this - I know people who attended private schools and the stories they tell are no different. It's really a rampant issue. To deny the existence of the problem just because solid facts aren't available is akin to sticking your head in the sand.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 11:29 AM

OrangeTJ- Well put- I have never figured out how they get the 'official' stats that are spouted on many subjects- and in this case- as you say- how many of those interviewed or polled will really tell the truth...
I know FHS has had issues with SEx, Drugs and rock and roll for years-
In 1998 when I was looking for a location to move to from the South Bay Area to obtain a better education for my kids- one of which was in high school - we were cautioned from moving to Folsom due to the exact situations that FolsomJr is now talking about-
I had my Daughter go to the campus and talk with other students, we walked some local neighborhoods and talked to parents and based on both of these and other information chose NOT to move to Folsom , but to Rocklin- instead-

I know all the HS has similar situations to a degree, but the level of drugs and sex information back them was so much higher than in Rocklin---

I now live in Folsom for other reasons- and my daughter made it through Rocklin HS without any major issues of this type - and for that I am glad as she was certainly a type of person that could have developed a dependency on being accepted and with the high pressure at FHS - could have fallen---

So - we know the problem exists- many kids have money in their pockets , drugs and sex on their minds so they find a good venue at FHS to faclitate their desires---
This is not a sweeping judgement- but surely one that needs to be addressed -

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 12:49 PM

Some minor points of clarification: I said FolsomJr was trolling. I did not say FolsomJr was not a "real" FHS student. To me, that's not relevant, as he/she/it is clearly trolling.

Secondly, yes, the topic of what goes on in our public schools is a serious issue and worthy of discussion. Mature, objective discussion. This whole thread has been neither. In fact, it's kind of unusual to see a thread of this type on this board, as we're usually pretty mature in our discussions.

I suggest someone start a new thread if they want to rationally discuss drug use and sex in FHS. And, please, don't just asy, "I heard it's widespread." As blondie has been saying, let's try to get some facts. Do some digging. Call the school! Search the Bee and see if they've covered this issue before. Let's not just jump up and down and react emotionally to the trolls.

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 12:57 PM

Like the school or the Bee would have any real facts on the matter- You and I both know the issue is real- and FolsomJr starting it as a troll really makes no difference does It ?

The question really is what has been, can be done to improve the situation or do the FHS parents and teachers want to continue to stick their heads in the sand and say- Not My Child/ not my student-- LOL == with kids from affluent areas such as this- we KNOW both the sex and drinking and drugs are an issue- but also parents do not want to face those facts as it is Their Children in the mix.....

So what are your suggestions- ??

Mine will come

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