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#16 tony

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:34 PM

We have friends who live in the Parkway and there are so many little kids on the street, the parents put up cones and let the kids play out there all the time. IN THE STREET. That would make me nuts. Not only the noise but it makes it very difficult to get in and out. You're always waiting for 6 kids, bikes, etc to get out of the street.

Sounds like a great neighborhood!

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:14 AM

And then there is Broadstone, what I call upper & lower. Upper sits at the base of the big hill off Broadstone Parkway (Chelsea Ridge). Other neighborhoods on the west side of the hill are Hillside, Talus Ridge. There are lots of families here, and lots of kids out & about, but overall, I find the neighborhood to be very quiet. Chelsea Ridge is directly behind Folsom Marketplace, really, walking distance to the grocery store, restaurants & a variety of other stores. It's walking distance to Folsom Lake College. And it's only a couple of blocks from the freeway, so great access there! Cheslea Ridge also has neighborhood parties - there was one for July 4, and it was packed. These homes are of a 8-10 year vintage. There is no enforced HOA in Cheslea Ridge, but there are CC&R's. People take care of their property here. And there are gated neighborhoods just up the hill. One of the other things I enjoy is the view. Even the homes at the base of the hill are able to see across the top of Folsom. I absolutely love looking across the valley as I'm walking down Broadstone Pkwy or Iron Point.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:39 AM

Aww, I feel so left out here in ARC...hehehe. Older homes with larger lots. Very quiet, but a long way to either high school, freeways or major shopping. Probably not your cup of tea if you like newer homes. Still, we were looking at Parkway and Briggs when we bought the home we are in. Sometimes, it just feels right.



Here! Here! We actually put an offer in on a Parkway house even though we were disappointed with the small lot/houses crammed so close together. Next day found our dream home in ARC South and we don't have a day where we regret the choice we made. LOVE LOVE LOVE it here in ARC South. Quiet area, friendly neighbors, etc., etc.

Although we don't have children of our own, I understand that the kids here have the choice between attending San Juan or Folsom schools.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:22 AM

I don't agree with CW68. Our friends rented there while their home was being built and they had both cars broke into and their next door neighbor had a break-in. So, to each his own. You can check out the crime per street on Sacbee I believe. Sometimes there are certain streets of a neighborhood that get higher break-ins due to their proximity to an easy entry/exit and if their is a trail/nature behind their home to hide in etc.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:18 AM

Thank you everyone! We'll have to spend more time driving around. We are hoping to find an area with lots of kids. My husband works in the area. However, I will have to commute to work unless I make some changes in my job which is a future possibility. I would be commuting towards downtown. How bad is the 50 commute?

Also, if anyone has anymore info to share about the 2 high schools I'd love to hear it. My daughter is feeling a bit stressed about the whole thing.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:06 PM

Thank you everyone! We'll have to spend more time driving around. We are hoping to find an area with lots of kids. My husband works in the area. However, I will have to commute to work unless I make some changes in my job which is a future possibility. I would be commuting towards downtown. How bad is the 50 commute?

Also, if anyone has anymore info to share about the 2 high schools I'd love to hear it. My daughter is feeling a bit stressed about the whole thing.


I've had children attend both schools and both schools are great.

Chances are very good there will be someone living in your neighborhood who will be around your daughters age attending the school she chooses. Students at these schools are used to having new students every year, so she will have plenty of opportunities for new friends.

I'd encourage her to join a few clubs so that she gets the chance to interact with other students on a more personal level.

Regarding neighborhoods, all have some pluses. I will encourage you to remember that the city of Folsom is fastracking developing 3600 acres south of 50 and this will bring 50 traffic to a standstill! Motorists will get off the freeway and use the neighborhood streets to try and beat traffic. neighborhoods that are closest to the freway will be the most impacted in future years. Streets that may seem to be quiet now, may have significant additional traffic later.

I was told that we do have gangs coming into Folsom to do their work and they typically choose neighborhoods close to the freeway that provide different escape routes. The LEO told me that these gangs don't want to be driving all around town to do their work to avoid being observed by many of the cameras around town.

There is a running joke around here regarding light rail & crime, but the truth is there has been some violent crimes commited by people taking light rail into Folsom. Some don't want to talk about this, but it is a reality.

I think you'll enjoy living here in Folsom and your daughter should fit in well at either school!

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

Thank you everyone! We'll have to spend more time driving around. We are hoping to find an area with lots of kids. My husband works in the area. However, I will have to commute to work unless I make some changes in my job which is a future possibility. I would be commuting towards downtown. How bad is the 50 commute?

Also, if anyone has anymore info to share about the 2 high schools I'd love to hear it. My daughter is feeling a bit stressed about the whole thing.


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My daughter would be happy to give you both all of the info you might want about the 2 schools.

My husband commutes to downtown (right at the bridge) every day. Most days it's not bad and takes 25-30 min. Some days, depending on the time, it can be more.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:32 PM

I don't agree with CW68. Our friends rented there while their home was being built and they had both cars broke into and their next door neighbor had a break-in. So, to each his own. You can check out the crime per street on Sacbee I believe. Sometimes there are certain streets of a neighborhood that get higher break-ins due to their proximity to an easy entry/exit and if their is a trail/nature behind their home to hide in etc.


Crime can happen anywhere, but we know that there tends to be more crime where there is less employment, more poverty, and lower education levels. Folsom doesn't generally fit that bill. We also know that there seems to be more crime near transportation routes, and the bike trail system which runs all over town could be used as getaway routes.

Most residential and auto burglaries are committed by males under 25 who live in the communities they burglarize. I have a neighbor who's lived by me for the 11 years I've been here. They have a daughter who is an engineering student who holds down a job while going to school, and a son who became a drug addict, and there have been several break-ins near his house.

Also, a guy I know in ARC came back from vacation to find that his fancy sports car had been taken from his garage. This had to be done by someone who knew what he had and that he was leaving town.

Regarding neighborhoods, all have some pluses. I will encourage you to remember that the city of Folsom is fastracking developing 3600 acres south of 50 and this will bring 50 traffic to a standstill! Motorists will get off the freeway and use the neighborhood streets to try and beat traffic. neighborhoods that are closest to the freway will be the most impacted in future years. Streets that may seem to be quiet now, may have significant additional traffic later.

I was told that we do have gangs coming into Folsom to do their work and they typically choose neighborhoods close to the freeway that provide different escape routes. The LEO told me that these gangs don't want to be driving all around town to do their work to avoid being observed by many of the cameras around town.

There is a running joke around here regarding light rail & crime, but the truth is there has been some violent crimes commited by people taking light rail into Folsom. Some don't want to talk about this, but it is a reality.


People who steal for a living are just like people who pay for things that they need except they don't. For example, both shoppers and theives want an easy and efficient way of getting in and out, and the tend to prefer cars over light rail. You can't carry much merchandise going down to light rail, and you'd have to time the train just right. Cars are much better.

Criminals, nut-jobs and ne'er-do-wells can and do hop on light rail however, and you may spot the occasional drifter hanging out. I know that initially, there was an increase in shop-lifting at the outlets after light rail came to town, but those tended to be done by amateurs. The pros still prefer cars, as they get them out of town in a hurry and they can carry more loot.

I know the manager of the outlets and asked her for an update on that.

I've often used the KCRA Crime Tracker feature, but I don't think it is working right today, as it shows no reported crime in Folsom within a mile of Natoma Stations the outlets/ (in Folsom) for the past 6 months. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't something, even an auto burglary. Maybe it's user error.

I've also called the Folsom PD records dept to see if they can get us some accurate data.

Robert, what kind of violent crimes have you heard about from ligh rail riders, and from whom did you hear this?

Also, when you say that gangs come here to do their work, do you mean an organized theft ring or red bandana-wearing street gangs?

I know that back in the 80's and 90's they had trouble with the street gangs coming to town, but was told that was eradicated. Still, I see the occasional kid in a knee length red t-shirt, with red shoe laces and red cap or bandana. I don't know if he's a wannabe or if he really is in a gang.

Bottom line, however, is that Folsom has a unique combination of a great police force and a community where people look out for one another, and will report suspicious activity. This combination helps keep Folsom a safe place to live.

* update: I just spoke with the manager at the outlets and she told me that some theives do indeed time their theivery to the lightrail schedule. If security does suspect someone and they get away, however, police show up at the next station and to see if they can catch them.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 03:09 PM

Crime can happen anywhere, but we know that there tends to be more crime where there is less employment, more poverty, and lower education levels. Folsom doesn't generally fit that bill. We also know that there seems to be more crime near transportation routes, and the bike trail system which runs all over town could be used as getaway routes.

Most residential and auto burglaries are committed by males under 25 who live in the communities they burglarize. I have a neighbor who's lived by me for the 11 years I've been here. They have a daughter who is an engineering student who holds down a job while going to school, and a son who became a drug addict, and there have been several break-ins near his house.

Also, a guy I know in ARC came back from vacation to find that his fancy sports car had been taken from his garage. This had to be done by someone who knew what he had and that he was leaving town.



People who steal for a living are just like people who pay for things that they need except they don't. For example, both shoppers and theives want an easy and efficient way of getting in and out, and the tend to prefer cars over light rail. You can't carry much merchandise going down to light rail, and you'd have to time the train just right. Cars are much better.

Criminals, nut-jobs and ne'er-do-wells can and do hop on light rail however, and you may spot the occasional drifter hanging out. I know that initially, there was an increase in shop-lifting at the outlets after light rail came to town, but those tended to be done by amateurs. The pros still prefer cars, as they get them out of town in a hurry and they can carry more loot.

I know the manager of the outlets and asked her for an update on that.

I've often used the KCRA Crime Tracker feature, but I don't think it is working right today, as it shows no reported crime in Folsom within a mile of Natoma Stations the outlets/ (in Folsom) for the past 6 months. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't something, even an auto burglary. Maybe it's user error.

I've also called the Folsom PD records dept to see if they can get us some accurate data.

Robert, what kind of violent crimes have you heard about from ligh rail riders, and from whom did you hear this?

Also, when you say that gangs come here to do their work, do you mean an organized theft ring or red bandana-wearing street gangs?

I know that back in the 80's and 90's they had trouble with the street gangs coming to town, but was told that was eradicated. Still, I see the occasional kid in a knee length red t-shirt, with red shoe laces and red cap or bandana. I don't know if he's a wannabe or if he really is in a gang.

Bottom line, however, is that Folsom has a unique combination of a great police force and a community where people look out for one another, and will report suspicious activity. This combination helps keep Folsom a safe place to live.


There are 2 incidents that I recall. One was where some from R.C. took LR to the outlets and were robbing people in the restrooms. FPD responded and caught all the suspects. Another incident is where the crminals took LR to Folsom and tried stealing a car. They were caught pushing it down the street in the wee hours of the morning.

We are fortunate that we live where we do and that we have active community members and a police force that responds the way they do. Both of these factors contribute to what I would suspect is a lower crime rate, than maybe some other communities in the county. However, we still have crime and part of the crime is coming in from outside of Folsom.

Some neighborhoods here in Folsom have higher crime rates than others, probably based upon location more than anything else. I would suspect that all of the neighborhoods probably have lower crime rates than other neighborhoods throughout the county. There is no value in us pretending that crime isn't happening when it is, because this lulls us into a false sense of security and that probably leads us to be more laxed, thereby creating more opportunities for the criminals.

I know some of the people who work at the Outlets and they have said they have seen people take LR into Folsom and then shoplift or grab n dash out of the store. They may not be grabbing 60in TV's but they still are grabbing some things. If there wasn't LR these crimes would not be occurring as frequently.

Sometimes in these discussions, some posters make things an all or nothing. There are tremendous benefits to having LR, there are also costs. I personally don't see anything wrong with talking about both.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 03:46 PM

Crime can happen anywhere, but we know that there tends to be more crime where there is less employment, more poverty, and lower education levels. Folsom doesn't generally fit that bill. We also know that there seems to be more crime near transportation routes, and the bike trail system which runs all over town could be used as getaway routes.

Steve: You're the second poster to suggest that crime may be associated with the bike trail system. Do you have any evidence that the bike trail system has been used for as escape route? I can only recall one incident on a Folsom bike trail, an attempted assault last year. I am not aware of any home burglaries in Folsom associated with proximity to a bike path.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:07 PM

Steve: You're the second poster to suggest that crime may be associated with the bike trail system. Do you have any evidence that the bike trail system has been used for as escape route? I can only recall one incident on a Folsom bike trail, an attempted assault last year. I am not aware of any home burglaries in Folsom associated with proximity to a bike path.

I recall there were some breakins along the Parkway where the criminals were using the trail to get into the back yards and houses.

Then there was that incident where the guy broke into the apartments off Creekside and escaped using the trail and possibly the Overcrossing on EBidwell.

I don't think anyone is advocating eliminating these ammenties, but rather they need to be considered when factoring the pluses and minuses of any neighborhood. I love living so close to the trail, but also realize that it could possibly be used by those who aren't using it for its intended purpose.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:22 PM

Steve: You're the second poster to suggest that crime may be associated with the bike trail system. Do you have any evidence that the bike trail system has been used for as escape route? I can only recall one incident on a Folsom bike trail, an attempted assault last year. I am not aware of any home burglaries in Folsom associated with proximity to a bike path.


Tony, I think you missed, or I failed to communicate the context of what I was saying. I was responding to asbestoshills who warned against living in Natoma Station because of its proximity to light rail and bike trails and instead advocated Parkway and Empire Ranch.

She said, "Yes, but there is more crime in Natoma Station than Empire or Parkway, I believe. So, nothing against NS, but anytime you are close to a freeway/lightrail you should consider crime stats."

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"Our friends rented there while their home was being built and they had both cars broke into and their next door neighbor had a break-in. So, to each his own. You can check out the crime per street on Sacbee I believe. Sometimes there are certain streets of a neighborhood that get higher break-ins due to their proximity to an easy entry/exit and if their is a trail/nature behind their home to hide in etc."

So my point was that while acknowledging that thieves and bad folks can use light rail and bike trails to make their getaways, I would not shy away from Natoma Station because of its proximity to these amenities. I was trying to say that if you are afraid of living near bike trails for fear of crime, and if in fact bike trails increase crime, then the Parkway and Empire Ranch (and most other neighborhoods for that matter) should also be on the 'do not live here' list because they have great trails, too.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:46 PM

I recall there were some breakins along the Parkway where the criminals were using the trail to get into the back yards and houses.

Then there was that incident where the guy broke into the apartments off Creekside and escaped using the trail and possibly the Overcrossing on EBidwell.

I don't think anyone is advocating eliminating these ammenties, but rather they need to be considered when factoring the pluses and minuses of any neighborhood. I love living so close to the trail, but also realize that it could possibly be used by those who aren't using it for its intended purpose.

I have not heard of either of these instances.

My point in questioning is that this "possibility" of bike paths being used to access property by criminals is a fear way out of proportion to the risk, just like the fear of kids getting kidnapped walking or biking to school is way out of proportion to the risks (which are very small compared to the chance of them getting killed by a car while being driven to school). And this fear often leads to grave concerns by neighbors about paths being build through their neighborhoods or especially behind their homes (I've been to enough public meetings as both a consultant and an advocate to have heard all the fear mongering). But the fact is that the amount of crime that can be associated somehow with bike paths (or being brought to town on light rail, for that matter), is minuscule compared to the amount of crime perpetrated by folks driving up to your house on the street, always the easiest access and escape.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:01 PM

Perhaps this argument could be split off so the OP could get the information they're looking for more easily without wading through this stuff?

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:01 PM

Tony, I think you missed, or I failed to communicate the context of what I was saying. I was responding to asbestoshills who warned against living in Natoma Station because of its proximity to light rail and bike trails and instead advocated Parkway and Empire Ranch.

She said, "Yes, but there is more crime in Natoma Station than Empire or Parkway, I believe. So, nothing against NS, but anytime you are close to a freeway/lightrail you should consider crime stats."

and

"Our friends rented there while their home was being built and they had both cars broke into and their next door neighbor had a break-in. So, to each his own. You can check out the crime per street on Sacbee I believe. Sometimes there are certain streets of a neighborhood that get higher break-ins due to their proximity to an easy entry/exit and if their is a trail/nature behind their home to hide in etc."

So my point was that while acknowledging that thieves and bad folks can use light rail and bike trails to make their getaways, I would not shy away from Natoma Station because of its proximity to these amenities. I was trying to say that if you are afraid of living near bike trails for fear of crime, and if in fact bike trails increase crime, then the Parkway and Empire Ranch (and most other neighborhoods for that matter) should also be on the 'do not live here' list because they have great trails, too.

Point well taken. And mine was actually similar, and merely to suggest to those who might consider not buying a house in a neighborhood with bike path access because of fear of crime would be acting on a false sense of insecurity. Access to paths is one of the greatest features of many Folsom neighborhoods, yet based on anecdotal evidence at best, we get people worried about bike paths as crime corridors (and lowering property values, when, as I suspect Steve can confirm, the opposite is generally true).




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