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[maestro]

Ridiculously Resilient Ridge article link is this.

 

There are many such warnings about the drought continuing.   Folsom Lake is the "icon" for severity of drought.   OUCH!!!

 

http://www.weatherwe...m/archives/1085

Ridiculously Resilient Ridge article link is this.

 

There are many such warnings about the drought continuing.   Folsom Lake is the "icon" for severity of drought.   OUCH!!!

 

http://www.weatherwe...m/archives/1085

 

Flunked the test on linking url's.    Could someone Google this article from CA Weatherblog, RRR, or whatever.

[Steve Heard]

Ridiculously Resilient Ridge article link is this.

 

There are many such warnings about the drought continuing.   Folsom Lake is the "icon" for severity of drought.   OUCH!!!

 

http://www.weatherwe...m/archives/1085

 

Flunked the test on linking url's.    Could someone Google this article from CA Weatherblog, RRR, or whatever.

 

It works fine. I just clicked on it.

[Chad Vander Veen]

 

 

Did you know the city filed a lawsuit, suing the rest of the world, Superior Ct. Sac County  34-2013-00138798, to prevent anyone from suing the city because it violated the terms of Measure W, our water law.    In other words, the city council told the judge:  here's the announcements, the hearings, and the public meetings where we passed our laws giving away water which does not exist.    See, no one can sue us.    Slick as sewage.

 

 

I believe the High Speed Rail Authority did something similar. This article may help explain the rationale for it: http://www.mercuryne...-invites-people

[ducky]

 

I believe the High Speed Rail Authority did something similar. This article may help explain the rationale for it: http://www.mercuryne...-invites-people

 

I think the High Speed Rail was a much larger project and could understand why it would need to do this.  I take issue with the fact that the city has always published their announcements in The Folsom Telegraph and then they put this in the Sacramento Bee.  Why?  The city also has a newsletter.  If they truly wanted to reach residents that would have been another avenue.  Did any of the council members that got emails from residents concerned about the water supply forward this information to them?  Nope. The article you linked described someone that held up a project for a year as a gadfly.  That's all we are to them.  Vote for us, give us your tax dollars, and now get out of the way.

 

I'm curious how you are going to overcome the argument that you won't be able to stop this transfer of water because the city council has rushed into Tier 1 agreements with the landowners and if you try and stop it the landowners will sue the city.

[Chad Vander Veen]

 

I think the High Speed Rail was a much larger project and could understand why it would need to do this.  I take issue with the fact that the city has always published their announcements in The Folsom Telegraph and then they put this in the Sacramento Bee.  Why?  The city also has a newsletter.  If they truly wanted to reach residents that would have been another avenue.  Did any of the council members that got emails from residents concerned about the water supply forward this information to them?  Nope. The article you linked described someone that held up a project for a year as a gadfly.  That's all we are to them.  Vote for us, give us your tax dollars, and now get out of the way.

 

I'm curious how you are going to overcome the argument that you won't be able to stop this transfer of water because the city council has rushed into Tier 1 agreements with the landowners and if you try and stop it the landowners will sue the city.

 

I don't know, precisely, how to overcome it. But I think the first step is getting someone (me, for example) into office who hasn't been engaged in these dealings. The next step is full transparency for the public. Everyone in Folsom deserves a chance to have what's going on explained to them. Then we start applying facts and public pressure to help ensure the will of the people is not only heard but taken into account.  

[maestro]

Measure W is a law.   It was violated.     You don't worry about civil court.

You ask regional politicians and prosecutors why this continues so long, so dangerously for all of us except vested interest.

[Rich_T]

The "funny" part is that Measure T was tossed out on the skimpiest of technicalities, then Measure W was forced in its place.  Measure T was afterwards dubbed "illegal".  But now the legality of Measure W's provisions seems no longer so important.

[SacKen]

If there really are shady or potentially illegal actions taking place for the sake of paving over trees and frog habitats, then a local news crew or Sac Bee might be interested in some investigative reporting.

[EDF]

Measure W is a law.   It was violated.     You don't worry about civil court.

You ask regional politicians and prosecutors why this continues so long, so dangerously for all of us except vested interest.

because no one is standing up to stop them..

 

you want to get involved...?    There's an election coming up... aren't you tired of the same old... same old.../

 

Howell... 20 years... Steve Miklos... 24 years... Andy Moring... 8 years.. 

 

do you think we have any body else in this stinking town that could better than these folks..

If there really are shady or potentially illegal actions taking place for the sake of paving over trees and frog habitats, then a local news crew or Sac Bee might be interested in some investigative reporting.

Sorry... They are too lazy..

 

you'l have to dig it up... get into a nice presentation and let folks know that live here..

 

maybe when you get a few critters at city hall sitting in the seats with some placards with the cameras on... that might get the attention of the "media"...

[ducky]

I posted these Utility Commission meeting minutes on the other thread, but there is also a part that pertains to water rights that I thought was interesting.

 

Here's the quote:

 

"Ryan asked if the Pre-1914 Water Rights were enough to serve the City without any other rights.  Yasutake stated they would be sufficient so long as there was water in the lake.  Davis stated the Pre-1914 Water Rights are very valuable and should be protected at all costs and thought that the City of Sacramento is the only other agency that has Pre-1914 Water Rights.  Miklos requested clarification as to whether th 1994 acquisition of So-Cal water (5,000 AF) was earmarked for the Folsom Plan Area.  Yasutake stated that is not the case; the water for the FPA will come from other sources."

 

Huh???

 

https://www.folsom.c...px?blobid=20382

[maestro]

I posted these Utility Commission meeting minutes on the other thread, but there is also a part that pertains to water rights that I thought was interesting.

 

Here's the quote:

 

"Ryan asked if the Pre-1914 Water Rights were enough to serve the City without any other rights.  Yasutake stated they would be sufficient so long as there was water in the lake.  Davis stated the Pre-1914 Water Rights are very valuable and should be protected at all costs and thought that the City of Sacramento is the only other agency that has Pre-1914 Water Rights.  Miklos requested clarification as to whether th 1994 acquisition of So-Cal water (5,000 AF) was earmarked for the Folsom Plan Area.  Yasutake stated that is not the case; the water for the FPA will come from other sources."

 

Huh???

 

https://www.folsom.c...px?blobid=20382

 

Ducky,

 

You added valuable information about the Blue Ravine "sewer improvement projects". 

 

Please tell people exactly where to find the URLs, the videos of Blue Ravine project.   How can they redirect to the Blue Ravine postings?

 

In that tope are some comments about the Utility Committee minutes.    If young new-bloods are running for council, they need to read the posts, view the videos, and investigate the real events.     Please remember Folsom's own laws and Standards require one single enforcer (City Engineer) to certify all new developments, all fee arrangements, all dev. Agreements, and the Dedication standards PRIOR to enacting all that city council legislation of rezoning, freebies, and making us pay the entire freight for a developer.      

 

Ducky did great digging, and made important comments about those huge deep trenches in Blue Ravine.   Get some answers.

[ducky]

 

Ducky,

 

You added valuable information about the Blue Ravine "sewer improvement projects". 

 

Please tell people exactly where to find the URLs, the videos of Blue Ravine project.   How can they redirect to the Blue Ravine postings?

 

In that tope are some comments about the Utility Committee minutes.    If young new-bloods are running for council, they need to read the posts, view the videos, and investigate the real events.     Please remember Folsom's own laws and Standards require one single enforcer (City Engineer) to certify all new developments, all fee arrangements, all dev. Agreements, and the Dedication standards PRIOR to enacting all that city council legislation of rezoning, freebies, and making us pay the entire freight for a developer.      

 

Ducky did great digging, and made important comments about those huge deep trenches in Blue Ravine.   Get some answers.

 

I'm sorry, but I just google stuff.  You're giving me too much credit.  I posted this same link on the Blue Ravine construction thread because it has information about that as well.  I'll let the engineers here on this forum hash out what is being done there.  It actually says that any upgrades for new development are being charged back to developers so that was a pleasant surprise.  There was a big deal made at the last council meeting about asking if the developers had paid their fair share for S50 infrastructure.  Fair share and what the total cost is can be two different things. 

 

I actually posted this because I'm not understanding what "other sources" the Folsom Plan Area, FPA,  is getting its water from if not the N50 supply.

[Phoenix2014]

ducky,

First, maestro is right. I have watched and enjoyed your posts over the years for the new and factual information you provide.

Your previous post linking the Utility Commission minutes from Aug 20, 2013 is another very important key in the overwhelming body of evidence that the City not only lies, but is pervasive in doing so.

Back in August of 2013, not even a year ago, the City still promoted that the "other source" of water was that which they had negotiated to buy from rice farmers with rights to Sacramento River water. This, not surprisingly, did not pan out. The cost would be $750,000,000 (that's 3/4 BILLION dollars) just to get the infrastructure in place, with another $12 million a year to buy the water and operate the system.

 

Why do that when you can just steal your neighbors’ water? Also, The US Bureau of Reclamation was not buying it. It would mean allowing agricultural water to be sold to a location way out of the boundary set for that waters allocated use. Something they are not prone to do.

So, here we are, buried in lies, and the theft of our water. Look around the City, lots of brown lawns and dying landscapes with residents bending over backwards to help us through the drought by cutting back 20%.

The City is rewarding you by locking all of us in to this state forever by stealing that conserved water and giving it to the land speculators south of 50. Let’s move forward to the next drought. You will again be required to conserve 20%. But that will be from your new baseline since your previous "conserved" water is now flowing south. This is not speculation, it is simple math.

I will repeat this again and again, in hopes that more of you truly see what is happening. We have cut back (conserved) 20% because that portion of our water rights does not exist. The City now wants to use this water, that does not exist, for new development south of 50.


By the way ducky, you missed the most interesting part of those meeting minutes:

"He advised the members that AB1234 – Ethics Training required for Committee and Commission members is mandatory must be completed."

I know! I could not stop laughing either. Here we are almost a year later, and not one of these “ethical” seven committee members has stepped forward to tell the truth about the City’s plans to steal your water.

[maestro]

 

 

If you know all manholes with ss are sanitary sewer manholes, which could be 5 to 20 feet deep, loaded with sewage, sewage pressing against the bolted-down cover -- just like most of the MH covers  all over the city....

 

and you know the last grill is an open inlet for storm water to enter and drain straight to the American River,

 

and you know that GREEN marking paint ALWAYS indicates the pipes in the ground are sanitary sewage lines ....

 

then this plays like a really disturbing short HORROR flick.   Personally, this is one of my 4sewerdogs favorites.

 

Especially during a drought, we all rely upon that American River.

[maestro]

 

I'm sorry, but I just google stuff.  You're giving me too much credit.  I posted this same link on the Blue Ravine construction thread because it has information about that as well.  I'll let the engineers here on this forum hash out what is being done there.  It actually says that any upgrades for new development are being charged back to developers so that was a pleasant surprise.  There was a big deal made at the last council meeting about asking if the developers had paid their fair share for S50 infrastructure.  Fair share and what the total cost is can be two different things. 

 

I actually posted this because I'm not understanding what "other sources" the Folsom Plan Area, FPA,  is getting its water from if not the N50 supply.

 

Sorry, if you review the brand new 2014-25 budget, we are paying for the tunnels to take Folsom Reservoir water to the FPA area.  

 

We are also paying the first millions for the new raw sewage tunnels to bring FPA sewage north -- to put it into our 27" sewage mainline.

 

By city law, the City Engineer has to certify all resources, infrastructure, development agreements, fees, dedications, and etc.

PRIOR to the passing of the legislation.    So far City Engineer has given me a great big ZERO of those blueprints.  (Actually I know the pump stations for water or sewer, will be at E. Bidwell and Highway 50).   The city also refuses to give me the Bl Ravine blueprints -- which the engineer chided me for not picking up at the city clerk's desk.   She turned them over, and the city will not.   

 

As for alternate water supply to OUR American River supply, remember when Utility Director Ken Payne told Ernie Sheldon he was given orders to do FPA engineering for bringing the owner's huge Sacramento River water to his FPA lands?     No time records were kept for years on city staff time.    BUT, Ken's staff  found the cost of water pipes was about $1/4 Billion.    Almost immediately council went into secret session and gave that owner our American River water rights, which during a drought are 17,000 acre feet.    However,  FPA (according to Brown & Caldwell) needs 22,000 acre feet JUST TO START up.    Meanwhile the Sac River water can be sold by the land owner to LA -- for huge bucks.

 

Yup, I have lawsuit documents showing.    My favorite is our city attorney suing the rest of the world!  Chutzpah!    Gotta find a way to post it.

 

PS, there is NO other water except the American and Sacramento Rivers.    Remember city tried drilling a well for the bottling companies?   They hit rocks, then rocks.    Surprised they didn't hit sewage.