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[Carl G]

Several years ago when the internet was mostly tax free, air delivery increased the cost in roughly the amount of sales tax.  Now that companies cannot avoid collecting sales tax, it seems to me that companies such as Amazon are building large shipping warehouses close to large metro areas.  In those areas, air cargo doesn't make sense, but ground certainly does.

[supermom]

Well, in about 20 years it will just be major traffic impact above our heads as Amazon drones deliver to your door step and completely bypass human labor.

[Rich_T]

"Can't it be as a response to expansion plans by Mather Field?"

 

If so, then why did it take so long to respond?  This topic has been around for many, many years.

 

FWIW, I don't see why Mather can't adopt a reasonable policy of no flights between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM.  (Well, the reason they won't is money, but there should be some kind of societal compromise.)

[Steve Heard]

"Can't it be as a response to expansion plans by Mather Field?"

 

They sued back in 2007 as well

[Rich_T]

They sued back in 2007 as well

 

Ah, that's good, then.  Good luck, is all I can say.

[folsombound]

What was the noise like when Mather was a fully operating Air Force Base?  Particularly, given the fact that Air Force planes are much, much louder than civilian planes.

[4thgenFolsomite]

Mather was VERY noisy.  But these big cargo planes are noisier, slower and lower.  the military traffic stayed mostly over the undeveloped portions of the county (pretty much south of highway 50).  I can remember a lot of sonic booms though. 

 

I see some of those airports surrounded by suburban development in southern California and I feel sorry for the people who live in those areas.  That will eventually happen here and I support the city's efforts to try and protect our quality of life.  I don't have any guilt about living in the first world and I don't mind trying to keep our town as livable as possible. 

 

As for the claim this is a reelection tactic, I hardly think the city manager and attorneys would stick their necks out with a lawsuit to benefit any council person trying to make a name for themselves as a campaign ploy.  There is genuine concern, so more power to them.

[EDF]

Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with projected property values south of 50?

ya think...?

[EDF]

 

Over 10 years ago when I worked at Steve Miklos' office, people would come in and call in to complain about the noise of planes flying over.

 

Those were real complaints from residents.

 

I don't know the details of it, but apparently there was some regulation or agreement that planes wouldn't approach over Folsom.

 

Having said that, yes, noise can affect home values. Don't we want our home values protected? Don't we want the city to do what it can to protect those values?

 

I'm sure that residents south of 50 would have the same concerns as those of us on the north side.

 

Schteve...

 

you know I have no sympathy for those under the flight path.. hell I like planes... they fly over my place all the time but that's life in the "big city".

 

You are always going to have people that p*ss and moan about noise... if you don't want noise...?   move the country.

 

What I object is the stinking "Crony Capitalist" crap going on with this group on the council...  they are doing the work for the stinking developers under the guise of the "environmental report"... yada stinkin yada...

 

How about they explain the "new water source"... remember that on Meausre W...?

 

Sorry but these people on the council have to go... they are working for the developers and the city employees like the city manager who make the big $$$ just to justify growing the "guvment" at city hall...the council critters get their resume's enhanced, egos stroked and they get a few connections sitting on various boards and committees.

 

Growth is good... but who pays Steve...?   

 

I know that we've come to suspect the timing of moves made by politicians, but I don't think this is an election ploy. The council unanimously voted to sue, and this includes Ernie Sheldon, who has already said he won't be running again. Also, the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors made their own announcement that they too are suing.

 

This is actually the second time the city has sued over this, having previously done it 7 years ago, which was not an election year. 

 

The world has become so cynical, which is sad, but often with good reason.

 

It's funny that some have suggested the move was made for votes, and others have suggested it's to sell houses South of 50.

 

Can't it be as a response to expansion plans by Mather Field?

 

 

no Steve... we are just too smart to buy your premise...

 

it's all about the $$$

 

get a grip here dude..

[4thgenFolsomite]

I.would like to hear what the non incumbent candidates say about this then.

[camay2327]

I may be on the unpopular side, but I think using Mather as the region's cargo hub makes sense.  With Sac International much more likely to be fogged in than Mather, why not let the planes go where that would be less of a problem.  I live in Natoma Station and don't see any problem with the planes flying over.  They are normally very quiet since they are landing.  I also love watching the plain fly over.

If they didn't fly over Folsom (the city) I could handle it just fine.

 

All it would take is one of those planes to crash here in Folsom. If you remember, quite a few years ago one

did crash in Rancho Cordova, or near there.

[Robert Gary]

"Can't it be as a response to expansion plans by Mather Field?"
 
If so, then why did it take so long to respond?  This topic has been around for many, many years.
 
FWIW, I don't see why Mather can't adopt a reasonable policy of no flights between 10:00 PM and 6:00 AM.  (Well, the reason they won't is money, but there should be some kind of societal compromise.)

Because that is the rush hour for cargo. Not many flights during the day most cargo flys at night

I've lived in Folsom for 15 years and still find this assuming. The planes are too high to make much noise unless you're standing outside under them. Most of the time I think people are hearing that trucks on 50.

[Rich_T]

Because that is the rush hour for cargo. Not many flights during the day most cargo flys at night

I've lived in Folsom for 15 years and still find this assuming. The planes are too high to make much noise unless you're standing outside under them. Most of the time I think people are hearing that trucks on 50.

 

Cargo planes seem to fly day and night.  Many cities ban night flights in the interests of residents.  The noise level depends on where you live.  Don't judge the situation based only on your personal experience.  I've had plenty of 4:00 AM "buzz bomb" overhead flights over the years.  They certainly aren't trucks, and I certainly was not "amused".

 

Some people are bothered by the flights, and some aren't.  The natural reaction is to not care if you are not affected.  The better reaction is to care about those who are affected.  Also, as someone else wrote, all it takes is one crash during the approach to force the issue - but why wait for that to potentially happen?

I can live with a package that arrives one day later, in exchange for society implementing night bans on flights over populated areas.  But big money talks when it comes to politicians who make the decisions.

[Robert Gary]

Airplanes fly over cities and towns all over this country safely day and night. It sounds like a weak excuse to me. What evidence do you have that planes crash more at night? Let's make decisions on facts and logic and not irrational emotional fears.

 

-Robert

[Rich_T]

Airplanes fly over cities and towns all over this country safely day and night. It sounds like a weak excuse to me. What evidence do you have that planes crash more at night? Let's make decisions on facts and logic and not irrational emotional fears.

 

-Robert

 

I'm not saying they crash more at night.  The "potential crash" argument is more about the flight path chosen (over Folsom vs. over empty land to the south).  The "noise" argument is about, yes, the noise at night.  That is a fact (subjective perhaps, yet can be objectively measured in decibels).

 

Nothing irrational here, and no fears, just reactions to reality.  Why be an ostrich?