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[maestro]

 

 

This is the only real news in Folsom CA.     [USBR installed 3rd set of emergency pipes, but water is nearly gone. ]       With no back-up supplies of any type, the council continues to hand out dense zoning for south of 50 --   to double or triple the population.

 

This is not stupidity........

[kcrides99]

While agree with you that south of 50 is a mistake... You exaggerate in your hyperbole.

As far as I recall, that development allows 10,000 homes.

On average the region has 2.5 persons per home. That equals 25,000 people.

Our population is just under 75,000. Not sure how that equates to a doubling or tripling? Math is not my expertise, but I just don't see how your statements are remotely accurate.

[Rich_T]

Do they still count the prison inmates among the official Folsom population?

 

I wonder if they have to conserve water, too - probably.

[awood]

Oddly enough, we have a small pond along the trails in our neighborhood.  I walked past it last week and noticed that it is at 100% capacity, just below the gabions at the weir.

I guess that's what happens when you have a true dam and not a gate left open to drain millions of gallons to push delta smelt downstream!!  There is no shortage, simply misuse of the resources we have available.

[JohhnyCash]

The Sky is falling, The Sky is falling!!!!

 

Maestro!  The end is near!  Move out of Folsom while you still can!!

 

JC

[ducky]

The Sky is falling, The Sky is falling!!!!

 

Maestro!  The end is near!  Move out of Folsom while you still can!!

 

JC

 

Why are you so threatened by what Maestro posts?  What do your posts add to the conversation when you've obviously diagnosed Maestro as... how did you put it? Ba t sh_t crazy.  

Are you saying we don't need to be concerned if we don't get rain soon?

 

I appreciate Tony and kcrides99 for backing up their opposing views with facts and explanations and actual research to support their comments.

 

Awood, astute commment.

[JohhnyCash]

I'm not threatened by Maestro's posts.  However the problem with her posts is that they are always an exaggerated distortion of the reality designed to promote here paranoid stance on our local government.  It's the same thing over and over and consequently she's turned the MyFolsom community into a tinfoil hat society.  It's annoying, it's distasteful and it's displaced virtually all other topics of discussion on MyFolsom.

 

As I said before.  We get maestro's position on things.  She pretty much disapproves of everything going on around her.  Not once in my memory has maestro made any post here that was anything but one of her exaggerated complaints.

 

It's tiring.

 

JC

[ducky]

I'm not threatened by Maestro's posts.  However the problem with her posts is that they are always an exaggerated distortion of the reality designed to promote here paranoid stance on our local government.  It's the same thing over and over and consequently she's turned the MyFolsom community into a tinfoil hat society.  It's annoying, it's distasteful and it's displaced virtually all other topics of discussion on MyFolsom.

 

As I said before.  We get maestro's position on things.  She pretty much disapproves of everything going on around her.  Not once in my memory has maestro made any post here that was anything but one of her exaggerated complaints.

 

It's tiring.

 

JC

 

I think it is an exaggeration to say her few posts have displaced virtually all other topics of discussion on Myfolsom, and it is certainly not turning Myfolsom into a tinfoil hat society.  There are plenty of other good topics here with thoughtful discussion.  It is possible to ignore posts.  I do it all the time when I read posts I don't agree with but have nothing to add.

 

The ones who should find it tiring are those who post the facts and try to weed out the hyperbole.  I'm thinking of tony & kcrides.  I've even tried to translate, best I could, some of her posts.  I don't understand the obsession with "professional engineers" and the sewers and tying those subjects into every topic.  I suspect maestro is still fighting an old battle when Folsom had real sewer problems in the past for which they were fined when sewage leaked into the river and another incident where a resident couldn't get the city to fix her sewer line.  All those things were eventually fixed as far as I know.  Could new problems pop up as the city expands?  Quite possible.

 

I understand responding to posts to correct inaccuracies.  I don't understand the need to make mean comments that add no substance.

In this case, the topic is the extremely low level of Folsom Lake, which is a fact.

[zook]

This is beating a dead horse. Yes the lake is low. No we havent had any rain
Nothing has changed. Move along, nothing to see here.

[Robert Gary]

maestro, why do I get the impression you are hoping for no rain?

-Robert

[2 Aces]

maestro, why do I get the impression you are hoping for no rain?
-Robert

That's dumb.

Many of us wonder why it's Folsom's responsibility to help solve the *salmon, smelt, and salinity* problems in the Delta? Who the hell assigned that solely to Folsom Lake? Just think about the gazillion of gallons of perfectly good, fresh water we've released...and to be replaced with what? Hey, it's not like the drought just *snuck up on us* !!

But we have idiots running the show...and they run the rest of Calif as well. Bunch of morons.

[Steve Heard]

The lake level is indeed low, but the idea that we should not plan for future growth until it rains is impractical.

 

Does this mean that if it rains like hell we can start building? What if the rain stops? What if we put a moratorium on building, then it starts raining again? What if it then stops?

 

The numbers tell the story:

 

The lake holds about 1,000,000 acre feet of water.

 

Folsom uses 20,000 to 22,000 of their allotted 33,000.

 

The new development, I believe, will use about 7,000.

 

So, at best, if the lake were full and all of the homes were built and occupied, we'd be using less than 3% of the water that flows into t he lake.

 

If the homes don't get built, we'd using about 2% of the water.

 

There are could be lots of reasons one might oppose the development south of 50, including crowding, pollution, changing the character of the community, destruction of beautiful open space, hatred of developers, and maybe more, but to say that 'we don't have the water' isn't really the case today.

 

As bad as the lake is right now, Folsom still uses only a small portion of it.

[medic238]

Here's a fun fact............ According to the Sac Bee and other news sources,

For every 10 feet Folsom lake drops, Less then 1 inch of that water went to human consumption !!  The Fish and other wildlife, Save the Delta issues, industry, evaporation and farming all use far more water then you and I.   

If you want to stop the South of 50, You have better come up with a valid argument for it because the No water argument doesn't hold water ( pun intended)

[maestro]

 

 

This is the only real news in Folsom CA.     [USBR installed 3rd set of emergency pipes, but water is nearly gone. ]       With no back-up supplies of any type, the council continues to hand out dense zoning for south of 50 --   to double or triple the population.

 

This is not stupidity........

 

 

 

All that matters is these are hard-won videos of possible impending disaster ---    no politics,  no unsubstantiated opinions, no guestimates of future number of houses, no posting about imaginary "Folsom water Rights."    NO BACK UP PLANs.        VIDEOS are real.    

    Snide comments  -- who cares.       Go out and take your own videos showing all the water to keep us alive & functioning.

 

Here's another FACT which I'd like the sane readers to verify with Reclamation themselves:

 

USBR just announced their "guestimate" of the full capacity of Folsom Lake was down-graded last week.    

Perhaps the filling they did near Dyke 8 forced them to admit this.   Perhaps the Army Corps "second dam spillway" forced them to downgrade capacity.      Perhaps videos showing the actual terrain, forced the feds to acknowledge what these images show:  1.   less water storage capacity and 2.  NO Precipitation looks like this, and 3.    there is no precipitation in our forecast -- just this empty hole and no BackUp Plans from our council.

 

 

 

 

PS, please ask the council persons to explain their failure to provide and plan for this.   Send them the video link.........

[medic238]

three points

 

1. the video proves NOTHING!   You can make a video like that when the lake is 80% full. While I know its around 14%, I can find coves that are dry at the end of the summer in the best of years.

 

2. You fail to state by how much they decreased the capacity of the lake. Is it less then 1%, 5% 10 %?  That's what matters!!

 

3. Look at the weather forecast !!  RAIN ON WEDS!!!