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[maestro]

Steve,  please post the jpg shot of Folsom hole, sent to you.    It was taken after the minor storm event.  

 

Water releases were increased Monday 11 2, yesterday when this was taken, in order to help salmon get upstream.

 

The hole gets emptier every single day, and "imaginary water" promised by the city water czar & council won't help.

 

thank you for realism.     this topic has many silent viewers..........

[TruthSeeker]

I think y'all are missing the part about S50 that is the real concern - traffic and congestion! The city council will continue to fudge the water numbers any way they want in order to justify their over development of this town.

 

But the realtors, construction folks etc who will make money off the building will always tout this as a super great idea to continue to build and build and build until there is no open land left. 

 

After all, it's all about the money, not about maintaining a nice city.

[Howdy]

 

 

Someone brought this up before, but it truly is time to build the Auburn Dam.

 

Don't we wish. My neighbor is a big wig over at the new spillway construction site and said it would be way to expensive to do now, All the work that was started many years ago is not up to the current code. Would all have to be ripped out and restarted which is not going to happen, Would be cheaper to start somewhere else up there rater than try and continue in the current location, 

[Steve Heard]

Steve,  please post the jpg shot of Folsom hole, sent to you.    It was taken after the minor storm event.  

 

Water releases were increased Monday 11 2, yesterday when this was taken, in order to help salmon get upstream.

 

The hole gets emptier every single day, and "imaginary water" promised by the city water czar & council won't help.

 

thank you for realism.     this topic has many silent viewers..........

 

As you wish. I'll post it for you this time, assuming that you don't know how. For the future, just upload it to a site like photobucket and click on the img code, then paste like anything else.

 

 

 

 

But the realtors, construction folks etc who will make money off the building will always tout this as a super great idea to continue to build and build and build until there is no open land left. 

 

After all, it's all about the money, not about maintaining a nice city.

 

I don't think that's a fair characterization. I haven't heard any Realtors touting it as a great idea.

 

Home builders prefer to sell their own homes, rather than using Realtors to do so.

 

Most new home buyers drop in and visit the models on their own, without a Realtor. Not all builders pay commission, and those that do only do so if the Realtor walks the client and and signs them up. When business is booming fewer and fewer pay anything at all. 

 

I don't think there are many Realtors banking on resale of those homes, many years from now either. 

[JohhnyCash]

Maestro!!!

And the point is?   We know the lake is low.  It's a wide angle photo taken from down in the lake bed to exaggerate the point.  (what point!!!)

THE LAKE IS LOW.  YES!!!  and It is doing its job.  The point of a reservoir is for it to provide water downstream during years that there is less rain.  At the end of a drought the lake should be low.  The lake will fill up again during the wet season and it will drain down in the dry season.  Happens all the time and more so in some years.

 

We know that a not full lake makes you unhappy.  Guess what?  It's going to fill up and drain down for years to come, probably in ways that won't make you happy.  Get a job at the Bureau of Reclamation if you want to have some input on how that happens.  

 

 

 

JC
 

[EAH]

With all due respect JC, the current lake level is exceptionally low.

I think the truth lies somewhere between the hyperbole of Maestro and the laissez- faire approach you seem to take. 

[zook]

I think we forget that there still is water flowing into the lake. The rivers havent run dry. Granted the outflow us more than the inflow. But what water thats there isnt all thats left.

[JohhnyCash]

I might come off as laissez faire but that's really not it.  The problem that I see is the fact that some people are trying to use extreme hyperbole spun about the lake level to push their concerns and extreme distrust about the local government's action.

 

Yes, the lake is very low. Will the taps run dry?  Probably not.  Last I heard that the lake was at 16% of it's capacity which is 160,000 acre feet.  There is conjecture that the lake capacity is much less than thought.  Even if it was off by a factor of two that would leave 80,000 acre feet.  It's pretty likely that Folsom will be o.k.

 

S50 development?  Yes it is a reasonable concern that in drought years that the added development could stretch Folsom's water allotment.  Does the lake level have anything to do with the development?  Nope.

 

One of maestro's insinuations is that somehow the lake level reflects poorly on the local government and "the government" in general.  It makes her unhappy and apparently she thinks everyone needs to know and be unhappy to.  In fact, the Folsom government has ZERO control of the flow of water in and out of any reservoir.  The federal government has also done a rather fine job of developing and managing one of the best reservoir systems in the world.  Somehow, maestro thinks that (with no apparent training or background) she knows better than the entire Beureu of Reclamation. 

 

The same goes for sewers.  Somehow Ms. Maestro things that with no educational background or work history she knows better than the Folsom city management and its engineers.  She disparages the engineers.

 

Maestro is displeased with just about everything that goes on around her and spins tales of woe about the government around her.

This is who she is and it is her right to be a hater.  However, the constant barrage of misinformation and hyperbole becomes noise to those you might otherwise care or who may be interested in the topics.   Government folks who might listen to concerns won't and citizens who might want to express concern won't.  The topics are made to hot by people like meastro

 

 

Meastro's loud mouth approach is a problem that drowns out any logical thought and approach to the issues.

 

JC

[ducky]

I might come off as laissez faire but that's really not it.  The problem that I see is the fact that some people are trying to use extreme hyperbole spun about the lake level to push their concerns and extreme distrust about the local government's action.

 

Yes, the lake is very low. Will the taps run dry?  Probably not.  Last I heard that the lake was at 16% of it's capacity which is 160,000 acre feet.  There is conjecture that the lake capacity is much less than thought.  Even if it was off by a factor of two that would leave 80,000 acre feet.  It's pretty likely that Folsom will be o.k.

 

 

JC

 

Your numbers are off.  The lake is currently at 144,021 acre feet and 351.47 for the lake elevation.

 

I am cognizant about the inflow into the lake, but I was surprised to see such low inflow numbers after that last rain.  They are still letting out much more than what is flowing in so it will take quite a few more storms to turn things around.

[2 Aces]

The federal government has also done a rather fine job of developing and managing one of the best reservoir systems in the world.

Yes, they have done a masterful job over the years of flushing trillions of gallons of perfectly good, fresh water right out into SF Bay and into the ocean. Yep, they've done *a rather fine job*, as you put it.

Your statement is bizarre, bordering on ignorant, but there are people like you who think the Govt is the *be all, end all*. Oh, and I'll bet you just love the Endangered Species Act, the Holy Grail of Leftist Environmentalists !!

You have a lot to learn, my friend. But I am here to help you.

[JohhnyCash]

Even if my numbers are off, you quote 144,000 acre feet of water of which Folsom is only entitled to 5000 acre feed reaming this year.  Still enough water.

 

2 Aces things that the singular point of Folsom lake is to provide water for the City of Folsom and a fine place to play in the summer and anything less than the lake being full to the spillway is a crime.  

 

If one wanted to really be truthful about he reservoir systems then they would admit that they are environmental DISASTERS.  We've radically altered the ecosystem by damming prime salmon spawning ground in nimbus and up into the ancient american river canyon.  We've altered the river ecosystem by ensuring that there is constant water flow in the river system year around.  Who know's what species life cycles we affected.  Right?

 

If we are all honest then we would agree that we should tear down the dam and give up our green-a.s.s lawns right?

No.. lol... instead you would rather complain that the government is screwing you out of YOUR water, even though you've never been one drop short.  Nobody here has been forced to anything less than their normal laundry, dishes and maintain their green lawns and gardens.  I hear stories of people saying how they have "had" to conserve water by letting their lawns die (gasp), but I haven't seen them in my adventures around town.

 

Complain complain complain...whine whine whine.  What happens when the lake is full?  It will fill up again.  Then what?  Complain about the lack of flood protection?

 

JC

[4thgenFolsomite]

Even if my numbers are off, you quote 144,000 acre feet of water of which Folsom is only entitled to 5000 acre feed reaming this year.  Still enough water.
 
2 Aces things that the singular point of Folsom lake is to provide water for the City of Folsom and a fine place to play in the summer and anything less than the lake being full to the spillway is a crime.  
 
If one wanted to really be truthful about he reservoir systems then they would admit that they are environmental DISASTERS.  We've radically altered the ecosystem by damming prime salmon spawning ground in nimbus and up into the ancient american river canyon.  We've altered the river ecosystem by ensuring that there is constant water flow in the river system year around.  Who know's what species life cycles we affected.  Right?
 
If we are all honest then we would agree that we should tear down the dam and give up our green-a.s.s lawns right?
No.. lol... instead you would rather complain that the government is screwing you out of YOUR water, even though you've never been one drop short.  Nobody here has been forced to anything less than their normal laundry, dishes and maintain their green lawns and gardens.  I hear stories of people saying how they have "had" to conserve water by letting their lawns die (gasp), but I haven't seen them in my adventures around town.
 
Complain complain complain...whine whine whine.  What happens when the lake is full?  It will fill up again.  Then what?  Complain about the lack of flood protection?
 
JC

I agree x1000!

[ducky]

Even if my numbers are off, you quote 144,000 acre feet of water of which Folsom is only entitled to 5000 acre feed reaming this year.  Still enough water.

 

2 Aces things that the singular point of Folsom lake is to provide water for the City of Folsom and a fine place to play in the summer and anything less than the lake being full to the spillway is a crime.  

 

If one wanted to really be truthful about he reservoir systems then they would admit that they are environmental DISASTERS.  We've radically altered the ecosystem by damming prime salmon spawning ground in nimbus and up into the ancient american river canyon.  We've altered the river ecosystem by ensuring that there is constant water flow in the river system year around.  Who know's what species life cycles we affected.  Right?

 

If we are all honest then we would agree that we should tear down the dam and give up our green-a.s.s lawns right?

No.. lol... instead you would rather complain that the government is screwing you out of YOUR water, even though you've never been one drop short.  Nobody here has been forced to anything less than their normal laundry, dishes and maintain their green lawns and gardens.  I hear stories of people saying how they have "had" to conserve water by letting their lawns die (gasp), but I haven't seen them in my adventures around town.

 

Complain complain complain...whine whine whine.  What happens when the lake is full?  It will fill up again.  Then what?  Complain about the lack of flood protection?

 

JC

 

The number I quoted came right off the CDEC site for Folsom Lake. It's now down to 143,426 today.

As you pointed out, the lake isn't only intended to serve Folsom. Saying the total 140,000 something AF is plenty because Folsom, allegedly, only needs 5,000 AF - feed reaming? - to make it through December isn't really an accurate picture.  There are plenty of other water users that need their water out of Folsom Lake until December, too.

 

You're kidding about not seeing brown lawns around town, right?  Just like you were kidding about not seeing the Old Salmon Falls Bridge high & dry earlier this summer.

 

I'm not worried about my brown a.s.s. lawn. I'm worried about losing more trees and landscaping I can't afford to replace.

[TruthSeeker]

JC why are you so adamant about putting maestro down at every chance you can get and why do you think the low lake levels are no big deal according to your rhetoric? You seem to be in denial, that or you're just another shrill for the city.

[maestro]

JC why are you so adamant about putting maestro down at every chance you can get and why do you think the low lake levels are no big deal according to your rhetoric? You seem to be in denial, that or you're just another shrill for the city.

 

 

 

If you knew who this maladroit verbal meanie is, you'd understand.    But from your comment about JC being a "shill" for the city,   You already know.

 

A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.

 

 

 

Usually shills are just acting naturally:   stupid, venal, mendacious, greedy     ---   political animal.