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#16 mylo

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:54 AM

OMG! The seats don't match the team!? I'm sold. Tax me some more, cut something else outta the budget, whatever needs to happen! Someone, somewhere, might be sitting on a seat with the wrong logo on it!!!!

Okay, sarcasm aside, I don't think I've actually been to ARCO in like 10 years. Doesn't really matter to me, as long as the taxable income offsets any taxes you're asking me to pay.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 09:07 AM

QUOTE (john @ Sep 23 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Arco was outdated the moment is was opened. It was built on the cheap, and that's a well known fact. If any of you have been to Portland or another NBA city, you will quickly realize that Arco is a glorified barn.

- Have you ever tried navigating around Arco before or after an event? It's like being part of a cattle drive. There's no room.
- When I took my son to the dinosaurs live show last year, we had to walk half a mile in the pouring rain because the roof was blowing off and they closed the exits on one side to protect people from falling debris. Water was seeping through the top as well.
- there is no place to eat a meal, other than your seat, with everything on your lap.
- there's practically nothing in terms of luxury boxes
- The seats do not match the team
- we can't host quick-turn ice events because the infrastructure can't support it.
- The acoustics for concerts are terrible (though it's what gives Arco a "thunder" during loud Kings games). We rarely get big names in Sacramento anymore.

We're not talking about building the Taj Majal, we just need a proper venue for first-class events. I'm tired of driving to San Francisco for entertainment. People are too cheap to realize that there's little to do in Sacramento. People would much rather run a team out of town and then (censored) and moan because there's nothing to do around here.

Here here!

While I agree this is not a good time to be asking us to pay for it, the 'let THEM pay for it', and the 'let them leave' attitudes are short-sighted, at best.

The NCAA didn't demand a new arena. Knowing that it generates about $4 in local business, Sacramento ASKED the NCAA to return to ARCO for the March Madness tournament. The NCAA rejected the request because ARCO does not offer the state-of-the-art facilities that other arenas do.

ARCO is the oldest arena in the NBA.

A new arena would mean jobs (money), and increased tourism (money), and more concerts (money) and events (money) and convention business (money).

We can tell everyone to pound sand, but there is a reason that cities build arenas and stadiums, and no, it's not just so rich men can get richer watching their rich employees play a game.

It's because people want to go to the games, the events, the tournaments, and sometimes, just to see the facility. It's because when planning vactions, reunions, conventions, conferences and expos, relocting a business or relocating a family, people look for destinations with entertainment options, job stability, good business climate, and every other positive thing that a new stadium will bring.

Don't complain that they're laying off police, that the city is deteriorating, that it's a cow town, etc., if the Kings leave, if we lose convention business, and promoters stop holding events.

I went to the 49er game last Sunday. I ran into or met up with a dozen or so Folsomites, as well as friends from various cities around the Bay. When the 49ers leave because Santa Clara is smart enough to build them a new stadium, the thousands upon thousands of people who go to the games will be spending their money in Santa Clara, not San Francisco. Some folks in San Francisco think the 49ers won't be missed. Others know better.



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Posted 23 September 2009 - 09:21 AM

QUOTE (john @ Sep 23 2009, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was built on the cheap, and that's a well known fact.

- Have you ever tried navigating around Arco before or after an event? It's like being part of a cattle drive. There's no room.
- When I took my son to the dinosaurs live show last year, we had to walk half a mile in the pouring rain because the roof was blowing off and they closed the exits on one side to protect people from falling debris. Water was seeping through the top as well.
- there is no place to eat a meal, other than your seat, with everything on your lap.
- there's practically nothing in terms of luxury boxes
- The seats do not match the team
- we can't host quick-turn ice events because the infrastructure can't support it.
- The acoustics for concerts are terrible (though it's what gives Arco a "thunder" during loud Kings games). We rarely get big names in Sacramento anymore.

We're not talking about building the Taj Majal, we just need a proper venue for first-class events. I'm tired of driving to San Francisco for entertainment. People are too cheap to realize that there's little to do in Sacramento. People would much rather run a team out of town and then (censored) and moan because there's nothing to do around here.



Thanks John! that's the kind of detailed information I was looking for.
Looking back now at my experiences there you are right about all of that, although I didn't think the acoustics were that bad, but they could be better.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 09:24 AM

QUOTE (stevethedad @ Sep 23 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ARCO is the oldest arena in the NBA.

A new arena would mean jobs (money), and increased tourism (money), and more concerts (money) and events (money) and convention business (money).

It's because people want to go to the games, the events, the tournaments, and sometimes, just to see the facility. It's because when planning vactions, reunions, conventions, conferences and expos, relocting a business or relocating a family, people look for destinations with entertainment options, job stability, good business climate, and every other positive thing that a new stadium will bring.

I went to the 49er game last Sunday. I ran into or met up with a dozen or so Folsomites, as well as friends from various cities around the Bay. When the 49ers leave because Santa Clara is smart enough to build them a new stadium, the thousands upon thousands of people who go to the games will be spending their money in Santa Clara, not San Francisco. Some folks in San Francisco think the 49ers won't be missed. Others know better.


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Posted 23 September 2009 - 09:58 AM

QUOTE (davburr @ Sep 23 2009, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah that was helpful (not)... how about instead of dissing us you take a minute to explain what exactly is so inadequate about the arena and why you are willing to take on a tax increase to support a less then mediocre team?

Can anyone give definitive, logical, justifiable reasons why Arco is no longer adequate - without getting all pissy because you're a huge kings fan?

My goal was not to be helpful, but to jab a big stick in a few eyeballs. The details have been beaten to death over the years and, much like politics and religion, are not worth going over again. People that don't get it probably never will and it's a waste of time to debate the details over-and-over again. Probably because it is mostly a complex economic issue and most voters fail at understanding their own fifth-grade-level finances. The problems also have little to do with the personal experience of someone sitting in their seat at an event. Experience has shown me that the average human has difficulties comprehending anything beyond that.

Secondly, I never said I was for a tax increase. Even if there was one, you'll notice that most arenas paid for with taxes are mostly visitor taxes. It's a roundabout way to get business (those people some say should be paying for it since they benefit the most) to pay for the majority of it and vacationers to pick-up the rest. That way, the voter isn't the one paying, and we all know that people vote themselves stuff as long as they don't have to pay. Too bad those stupid props a couple years ago didn't take this approach.

Lastly, this isn't just about the Kings. Using the reason that "the Kings suck" and they don't deserve it is childish reasoning. For starters, they only use it 44-60 times a year. However, Arco is losing many events that it used to get because the venue is weak. Just off the top of my head, I can count a handful of concert tours each year that bypass Sacramento because Arco sucks.

The NCAA tourney alone generated about $4-5 Million for local businesses when they held two early rounds here a couple of years ago. Not $4-5 Million for the Maloofs, but $4-5 Million for local business. That's for only 2-days of Arco use and one open day in the middle where visitors hung out around Sacramento.

Last lastly, I care about this not because I am a Kings fan, but because I have lived in Sacramento my entire life and, barring an unforeseen windfall or tragedy, will probably remain here for the rest of it. I remember life in Sac when there was absolutely nothing to do and the way that Arco Arena has changed this city. I have a vested interest in making sure that Sacramento is a better city than Modesto.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:13 AM

If Sacramento needs a new Arena, then Sacramento should figure out a way to build one.

The failed leadership oF Sac City and the BOS is the reason why there isn't a new Arena. There are plenty of mechanisms to raise money to help finance a private/public venture to build this, yet the inherrently flawed philosophy of the general population of Sac City prevents this from happening and fortunately in one case, helped save us in Folsom from having our taxes raised.

Hopefully Mayor Kevin Johnson's leadership and vision can overcome these hurdles and get a new Arena built.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:19 AM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Sep 23 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... The failed leadership oF Sac City and the BOS is the reason why there isn't a new Arena. ...

tru dat
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:21 AM

QUOTE (curiousity @ Sep 23 2009, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having watched the monster trucks inside ARCO arena and watched them on TV at other venues, I can say ARCO is completely inadequate for a good monster truck jam.

As for the concerts, disney on ice, the circus and the walking with dinosaurs shows I've attended, ARCO seems perfectly capable of supporting those events.



Monster trucks should be outside anyway. Have them on a football field..
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:27 AM

I just wanted to add that my generalizations about the average person were not directed at you specifically, davburr. I know you are not the typical Elmer's connoisseur. Even if you did partake in a little paste on occasion, I know it would be one of fine quality. tongue.gif
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:27 AM

QUOTE (stevethedad @ Sep 23 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here here!

While I agree this is not a good time to be asking us to pay for it, the 'let THEM pay for it', and the 'let them leave' attitudes are short-sighted, at best.

The NCAA didn't demand a new arena. Knowing that it generates about $4 in local business, Sacramento ASKED the NCAA to return to ARCO for the March Madness tournament. The NCAA rejected the request because ARCO does not offer the state-of-the-art facilities that other arenas do.

ARCO is the oldest arena in the NBA.

A new arena would mean jobs (money), and increased tourism (money), and more concerts (money) and events (money) and convention business (money).

We can tell everyone to pound sand, but there is a reason that cities build arenas and stadiums, and no, it's not just so rich men can get richer watching their rich employees play a game.

It's because people want to go to the games, the events, the tournaments, and sometimes, just to see the facility. It's because when planning vactions, reunions, conventions, conferences and expos, relocting a business or relocating a family, people look for destinations with entertainment options, job stability, good business climate, and every other positive thing that a new stadium will bring.

Don't complain that they're laying off police, that the city is deteriorating, that it's a cow town, etc., if the Kings leave, if we lose convention business, and promoters stop holding events.

I went to the 49er game last Sunday. I ran into or met up with a dozen or so Folsomites, as well as friends from various cities around the Bay. When the 49ers leave because Santa Clara is smart enough to build them a new stadium, the thousands upon thousands of people who go to the games will be spending their money in Santa Clara, not San Francisco. Some folks in San Francisco think the 49ers won't be missed. Others know better.



OK, so tear down the present one and build another one there. That is an excellent location for an arena. Easy in and easy out. Good traffic flow.

From what I had heard in the past was that the locker rooms were the worst for the visiting teams. Folding chairs, etc. where the local team had great locker rooms. I don't know if that is correct, just what I had heard in the past. I went to a San Jose Sharks, pre-season game and also a couple of concerts and had no problem.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:27 AM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Sep 23 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Sacramento needs a new Arena, then Sacramento should figure out a way to build one.

The failed leadership oF Sac City and the BOS is the reason why there isn't a new Arena. There are plenty of mechanisms to raise money to help finance a private/public venture to build this, yet the inherrently flawed philosophy of the general population of Sac City prevents this from happening and fortunately in one case, helped save us in Folsom from having our taxes raised.

Hopefully Mayor Kevin Johnson's leadership and vision can overcome these hurdles and get a new Arena built.

I'm with you there. I'm hopeful KJ can get something done. Though I do think it's more than "Just Sacramento".


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Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (camay2327 @ Sep 23 2009, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK, so tear down the present one and build another one there. That is an excellent location for an arena. Easy in and easy out. Good traffic flow.

From what I had heard in the past was that the locker rooms were the worst for the visiting teams. Folding chairs, etc. where the local team had great locker rooms. I don't know if that is correct, just what I had heard in the past. I went to a San Jose Sharks, pre-season game and also a couple of concerts and had no problem.

I think tearing down a perfectly good arena for many venues is a waste of money.

However, I have no problems with the idea of building a newer, larger and more modern arena as well. It also would be nice if it was closer to the center of the greater Sac metropolis, but I'm not sure if there is any vacant land available for that, maybe somewhere south of 50 near mather field
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 11:06 AM

Just don't build a white elephant!
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE (john @ Sep 23 2009, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm with you there. I'm hopeful KJ can get something done. Though I do think it's more than "Just Sacramento".


Since Sacramento will be the major beneficary of the Arena, then its really on them to figure out away to build it. Adding surcharges on tickets/ parking or adding a tax on hotels/restuarants/rental cars in the area is fair and reasonnable way to contribute towards building this.

If the decision makers in Sacramento put these taxes in place 4 years ago, they would have a nice chunk of money today to start the process in building this Arena.






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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE (Robert Giacometti @ Sep 23 2009, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since Sacramento will be the major beneficary of the Arena, then its really on them to figure out away to build it. Adding surcharges on tickets/ parking or adding a tax on hotels/restuarants/rental cars in the area is fair and reasonnable way to contribute towards building this.

If the decision makers in Sacramento put these taxes in place 4 years ago, they would have a nice chunk of money today to start the process in building this Arena.

I hate hotel taxes, why can't I get a hotel room quoted as to what it really will cost, hotel taxes add 10-12 % on to most of my hotel bills.

and hotel room charges are a scam, with the right discount, you can stay at close to 1/2 price, you just need to know what special code (e.g. what business negotiated a group discount) and you are in like flynn.
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