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#31 supermom

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:03 AM

 

No horse in the race but a jab anyways. Easy to do if your house did (or still does) have wheels. But hey that's a way to live too.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:13 AM

The first paragraph really struck me, especially after reading the Telegraph article. Basically the city doesn't have to change the zoning in order to change how the the land is used. That is somewhat alarming. I think the way to handle this is exactly what you are doing, getting the word out, signing petitions. heck, maybe one of you can run for a city seat.

OTOH, do you really think you can change/stop this? Has any concerned Folsom citizen ever been able to stop a development such as this? IDK, I don't have this history here that some of the rest of you do. The Telegraph article said the city was listening, but do you think that they really are, or just giving lip service? since when do developers care about the established citizenry? Just asking....

I do have to admit that once they start building in my neighborhood again, I won't be happy, and I will probably join in the protests.


I doubt it has ever made a difference and I doubt that Steve banks, or any of the council members except for Ernie, care at all.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:17 AM

Bordercolliefan, there is nothing wrong with what I said. If the poster wishes to assume the title which i said it sounds like then so be it. If she doesnt identify with it, thats ok too. Truthfully now, her posts are targeting and emphasizing what type of housing is being zoned there. If you dont like the bs call then hey, thats your opinion. But as far as Im concerned; my post was right on.  You know most times you really dont get a choice in neighbors. You are stuck with whoever moves into the house next to you. Most people don't like change. They fight it kicking and screaming. Heck Ive seen people turn into toddlers having a breakdown over housing in Folsom. If you really are worried about type of people who will be attracted to the area by moving into the affordable housing; then get a job as the manager of the apartment complex and shuffle papers around to make sure undesirable people's applications are not accepted. Ofcourse you might be sued. 

And we all know the rents in those brand new apartments will be so high that few and far between ( your token few) will be section 8 applicants. And many will wonder how they are on section 8 if they can afford housing in Folsom.  So do I see this argument as valid? No. It is purely an emotional response. The poster feels threatened by change. There really isnt any legal reason t object to an apartment being built there. 

Unless you want to talk to talk about the rezone. Shall we keep the conversation to rezone? Or are we all gonna melt down and cry its just not fair to let the poor people in- like toddlers not wanting to share?



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:18 AM

Public input CAN make a difference. Two examples that come to mind are:

 

Natoma Station residents rallied to block a gas station and convenience store going in on the corner of Blue Ravine and Prairie City where Quick Quack and the smog place are currently located.

 

Briggs Ranch residents rallied to block the bowling alley from going in at the old Ralph's location on the corner of Natoma and Blue Ravine.

 

I'm sure there are a few others that were "won" by the residents and probably some that were "lost", but it's definitely worth it to let your opinion be known.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:31 AM

Public input CAN make a difference. Two examples that come to mind are:

 

Natoma Station residents rallied to block a gas station and convenience store going in on the corner of Blue Ravine and Prairie City where Quick Quack and the smog place are currently located.

 

Briggs Ranch residents rallied to block the bowling alley from going in at the old Ralph's location on the corner of Natoma and Blue Ravine.

 

I'm sure there are a few others that were "won" by the residents and probably some that were "lost", but it's definitely worth it to let your opinion be known.

 

I'd add that recently the Historic District residents were at least met with regarding the problems with parking, traffic, and the "college nights" on Sutter St.  I believe they are getting a stop sign at a problem intersection and parking restrictions in those neighborhoods are being studied.  



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:59 AM

Bordercolliefan, there is nothing wrong with what I said. If the poster wishes to assume the title which i said it sounds like then so be it. If she doesnt identify with it, thats ok too. Truthfully now, her posts are targeting and emphasizing what type of housing is being zoned there. If you dont like the bs call then hey, thats your opinion. But as far as Im concerned; my post was right on.  You know most times you really dont get a choice in neighbors. You are stuck with whoever moves into the house next to you. Most people don't like change. They fight it kicking and screaming. Heck Ive seen people turn into toddlers having a breakdown over housing in Folsom. If you really are worried about type of people who will be attracted to the area by moving into the affordable housing; then get a job as the manager of the apartment complex and shuffle papers around to make sure undesirable people's applications are not accepted. Ofcourse you might be sued. 

And we all know the rents in those brand new apartments will be so high that few and far between ( your token few) will be section 8 applicants. And many will wonder how they are on section 8 if they can afford housing in Folsom.  So do I see this argument as valid? No. It is purely an emotional response. The poster feels threatened by change. There really isnt any legal reason t object to an apartment being built there. 

Unless you want to talk to talk about the rezone. Shall we keep the conversation to rezone? Or are we all gonna melt down and cry its just not fair to let the poor people in- like toddlers not wanting to share?

 

Try buying a house some day, they are a tad more expensive and permanent then renting an apartment.  

 

Then maybe you'll cease with the condensing "crying" comments on someone who cares about the well being of the city and their neighborhood that they are invested in.

 

You can't possibly understand what it's like to invest in a home/neighborhood then watch developers come in and build low income housing near you.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:59 AM

I won't get drawn into the personal attacks.  I got involved in this thread to pass along the facts about these two developments and encourage people to get involved if they share my views (or even if they don't for that matter).

 

First and foremost, affordable housing is just an excuse the developers are using to be able to build higher density developments.  Folsom is well ahead of its mandated targets in the area of affordable housing, so please do not be tricked into believing this claim.  They want high density construction because they are done with these neighborhoods and they want to squeeze out every last ounce of treasure.  The more homes per acre, the higher the profits--its just that simple.

 

And yes, you most certainly can make a difference.  I was involved with a group who successfully fought overhead powerlines along East Natoma 10 years ago.  The complex at Golf Links and E Natoma has been fought since back then as well, so we've at least put up a fight and kept it from going up this long.

 

With regard to members of council and their views, we shouldn't speculate, we should all write to them expressing our opposition and specifically asking them theirs, and ask them what steps they are taking to oppose these developments.  You will likely get a response from those who share your views, and you can assume from a lack of response that they probably don't share your views.  I don't know what Steve Bank's views are, but he has to remain pretty neutral, and in fairness he has been ultra responsive to my requests for information--often responding within minutes.

 

So, here's a call to action:  if you oppose either or both of these projects, write to the planners for each project and the members of council expressing opposition and asking their positions.  Join and promote the Facebook pages below.  Print out and pass out flyers containing the below information in your neighborhoods, on cars in the parking lot at the grocery stores etc, and attend all public meetings.  We can fight these things, but it does take a "Village"!!

 

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:15 AM

I found this article interesting as far as the low-income housing.  I don't remember seeing anything like it in our paper.

 

mercedsunstar.com/2013/03/17/2884166/folsom-considers-low-income-housing.html



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:48 AM

Great find--but just to be clear, Folsom is above its mandated target, and these projects are not needed to meet the mandate.

 

That facts are:

The corner of Golf Links and E Natoma is zoned commercial, but over the past 10+ years the developer has been unable to figure out a way to profitably develop it as commercial, so they went after a "special use permit" as a way to end-around the zoning they had been granted many years ago and build a 3-story apartment building.

 

The lot on Silberhorn is 5 acres, zoned Single Family, and the developer does not like the financials that come along with only building a few lots on this 5 acres, so they are requesting a permit to build 56 units on these 5 acres instead.

 

There's no noble causes here.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:04 PM

Another factor to consider here is all these zoning changes to higher density and how it affects our water supply, especially in drought years.

I have concerns that the projections they made for the supply this side of 50 needs were based on single-family residential on those plots.  Has anyone re-calculated the effect of what doubling or tripling the populations on these parcels has on the N50 water supply, especially now that they have sold water to Aerojet and the S50 area?



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:20 PM

Housing is always a big topic in Folsom because of our developer-controlled city council.  Essentially they build whatever they want wherever they want, and no one can apparently stop them.  That might seem like an oversimplification, but it also seems true.  I'm not intimately familiar with the area in question, but it seems to fit the pattern of maximizing developer profit, whatever the externalized cost to residents.  So I wish you well, LexingtonRez, but this town is run by the developers, whose defenders will accuse you of "not embracing change" whenever another horribly conceived project is slapped up.

 

As for those who pretend there's nothing wrong with Section 8 housing, how come we don't find any in gated communities?  And when do I get to move to Beverly Hills in a Section 8 mansion?  You mean I don't have the "right" to live anywhere I want and only pay what I can afford?  Effing classists!



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:54 PM

Housing is always a big topic in Folsom because of our developer-controlled city council.  Essentially they build whatever they want wherever they want, and no one can apparently stop them.  That might seem like an oversimplification, but it also seems true.  I'm not intimately familiar with the area in question, but it seems to fit the pattern of maximizing developer profit, whatever the externalized cost to residents.  So I wish you well, LexingtonRez, but this town is run by the developers, whose defenders will accuse you of "not embracing change" whenever another horribly conceived project is slapped up.

 

As for those who pretend there's nothing wrong with Section 8 housing, how come we don't find any in gated communities?  And when do I get to move to Beverly Hills in a Section 8 mansion?  You mean I don't have the "right" to live anywhere I want and only pay what I can afford?  Effing classists!

Housing is always a big topi, everywhere. 

 

I've heard people who are opposed to development say that the city council is controlled by and benefits from developers, but no one every has any evidence.

 

Once when asked for evidence, one guy suggested that Steve Miklos is pro-developer because he does mortgages, but that doesn't make sense. Most builders have their own lenders, and some, such as Elliott will not allow you to buy one of their homes unless you use their preferred lender. Additionally, most don't pay Realtor commissions for bringing them buyers. 

 

The same guy also claimed that Jeff Starsky's company sells air conditioners and he gets to benefit because builders buy air conditioners. 

 

What about Kerri Howell? She's an engineer. Andy Morin owns a restaurant, and it's not even in Folsom any more. Does Ernie Sheldon get a bump when the new families enroll the kids in park and rec classes?

 

The only other way they could have control is through bribery, and surely no one is claiming that.

 

The city itself gets fees from builders, so that could be a motivating factor, but that doesn't go into anyone's pockets. 

 

And yes, developers want to maximize profit. Don't you? Doesn't every business?

 

There can be lots of reasons to object to more development, including strain on infrastructure, crowding of schools, roads, parks, blocking of views, pollution and more, and I'm not for paving over the town, but I just don't get the 'council is controlled by developers' argument. 


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:11 PM

Housing is always a big topic in Folsom because of our developer-controlled city council.  Essentially they build whatever they want wherever they want, and no one can apparently stop them.  That might seem like an oversimplification, but it also seems true.  I'm not intimately familiar with the area in question, but it seems to fit the pattern of maximizing developer profit, whatever the externalized cost to residents.  So I wish you well, LexingtonRez, but this town is run by the developers, whose defenders will accuse you of "not embracing change" whenever another horribly conceived project is slapped up.

 

As for those who pretend there's nothing wrong with Section 8 housing, how come we don't find any in gated communities?  And when do I get to move to Beverly Hills in a Section 8 mansion?  You mean I don't have the "right" to live anywhere I want and only pay what I can afford?  Effing classists!

 

So only the Central District deserves to enjoy the benefits of Section 8 housing?  I've put a lot of work into maintaining and improving my property, too.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:01 PM

ducky, on 19 Nov 2013 - 6:11 PM, said:

 

So only the Central District deserves to enjoy the benefits of Section 8 housing?  I've put a lot of work into maintaining and improving my property, too.

 

No, if there was a proposed 3-story apartment building proposed next to your house I'd be just as opposed.  Now, I might not be as motivated to take up the fight since I don't live in that immediate vicinity, but I certainly wouldn't be against you doing so.  That's been my point in all this--the appropriateness of the projects in light of the immediate surroundings, as well as traffic and other resource contention.  I wouldn't want a gas station next to my house.  I also wouldn't want a 15,000 sq ft mansion next to my house.  Nor would I want a 3-story apartment complex next to my house, or yours for that matter.

 

The council can only fight so many battles as well, regardless of whether they agree or disagree with the projects/developers.  This is why I say we need to get informed and get involved.  Silence is implied consent.  It may make one feel like they're being heard posting on here, but this is just an exchange of information--to really have an impact we need to stay up on what is happening at City Hall, spread the word, vote accordingly, and when it warrants, ratchet up the pressure to let them know its something we're passionate about.  Otherwise, we have no right to complain, and arguing on here serves literally no purpose.  We all complain about what happens in DC, but let's face it, we have no control there.  Here in your local city you can have an impact-but it takes effort.

 

RE: the post about members of council, I generally agree with you on that point.  Its unfair to make the accusations without some sort of evidence.  To be sure, there have been periods of extreme developer friendliness, examples of easily verified financial ties, all sorts of shenanigans relating to broken promises about parks and land-use etc. but I'm not saying those apply to this council.

 

However, there is a petition signed by over 500 people on the Serenade project, and it has 100+ Facebook followers.  This project's Facebook has around 100 followers in 5 days.  So, if either of these projects are approved against the will of the immediate neighbors, then I think that speaks volumes about who they represent.  The fact that Serenade has gotten as far as it has, and was kept so quiet leaves me starting in a position of feeling fairly suspicious, I'll admit.  But, I certainly won't call them out until I have seen where they come down on these issues which is why I earlier encouraged people to write to them and simply ask where they stand on these projects, and what they are doing to support us.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:28 PM

LexingtonRez, I have to say I find your posts refreshing and inspiring that there are still residents out there who think of our town as a whole.

 

Another question about the three-story project.  What will the fire department response time be for such a large structure?






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