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#1 UncleVinnys

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 05:59 PM

Is it art, or just a cake? Supreme Court to hear case about bakery
refusing service to gay couple

 

 

https://www.seattlet...-to-gay-couple/

 

A Supreme Court case about a decorater refusing to make a gay couple a wedding cake because it would violate his religious beliefs will feature lawyers arguing about whether edible artistry is protected under the First Amendment or whether it’s just, well, cake.


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:41 PM

Dumb case and a dumb thread. Knowing you, we know exactly how you feel about this.. you Socialists thrive on forcing people to do things. BTW, the business owner offered to sell them a cake.. he/they just didn't want to be involved in assisting them to decorate the cake. You're aware of that, right?

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 08:33 PM

I am always thinking 14th Amendment, equal treatment under the law.......  Then again I am thinking religious freedom.  Have all these gay activists ever bothered to visit a Muslim bakery to ask them to make them a cake....?   A Kosher bakery in New York....?    I think not.......   I think they have targeted very Christian bakers in an effort to bring court cases and break these bakers, financially of course, with their deep pocket backing, put them out of business.....   And then again I think no cakes for black people, no cakes for Catholics.....?   This is gonna be a tough one.........  Got to be a middle ground somewhere.........?   Interesting case.   Chris


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 04:54 PM

He offered to bake them other items (as he has with other gay customers).   What ever happened to "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone?"  AND, as far as those gay couples who get all butthurt, why would you want all the drama of FORCING someone to cater to your beliefs on your special day?  FIND ANOTHER BAKER!  For pete's sake people, it doesn't have to be this hard.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 07:18 AM

Thought I would post a thread without offering my own opinion

- - - just to see how folks add their own layer of opinion.

What filters do they use to reach their conclusions?

 

It's apparent, and sad, to see the level of anger, hatred and frustration in our brothers.   :(

Not a healthy lifestyle.   :headbang:

In the words of that great philosopher, Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"

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Oh, and by the way, the guy is a CAKE DECORATOR!    :eehee:      :wub:
And he's got issues with gays?!

Get a clue there, man!  :haha:


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:41 PM

Thought I would post a thread without offering my own opinion

- - - just to see how folks add their own layer of opinion.

What filters do they use to reach their conclusions?

 

Not a healthy lifestyle.   It's apparent, and sad, to see the level of anger, hatred and frustration in our brothers.   

In the words of that great philosopher, Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"

   

 

Oh, and by the way, the guy is a CAKE DECORATOR!   
And he's got issues with gays?!

Get a clue there, man!  :haha:

  I am thinking I gave you a pretty good response...........?    Again, in case you failed to read or understand it...?   Rights are for all of us, religious too, not just sexuality takes dominance on religiosity...   The SCOTUS needs to see where the line is drawn....   Go ahead, critique my response, or it looks like you totally rejected it because it did not agree 100% with how you "feel".....?   Actually, I think I made some good points that you could ponder, no muslim bakers targeted, the backing of big buck leftist organizations, money, lawyers, free lawyers, and big lawyers designed to break these mom and pop Christian bakers......   Drive them into bankruptcy and submission.   Kosher bakers...?  No Muslims or Jewish bakers challenged, no..?  Just Christian ones....?   There is an agenda here, recognize it....

 

 

I am always thinking 14th Amendment, equal treatment under the law.......  Then again I am thinking religious freedom.  Have all these gay activists ever bothered to visit a Muslim bakery to ask them to make them a cake....?   A Kosher bakery in New York....?    I think not.......   I think they have targeted very Christian bakers in an effort to bring court cases and break these bakers, financially of course, with their deep pocket backing, put them out of business.....   And then again I think no cakes for black people, no cakes for Catholics.....?   This is gonna be a tough one.........  Got to be a middle ground somewhere.........?   Interesting case.   Chris


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 08:27 PM

People always seem to make life more complex than necessary.   To evaluate most things fairly, it's a good idea to look at the fundamentals. 

 

The proprietor has a bakery business.  The fundamental purpose of the business is to create a profitable income for him and his family so they can live a comfortable life.  So why refuse to serve anyone?  If a customer wants to purchase something and it doesn't cause any harm, injury, or problems for someone else, then sell it to them.  this act fulfills the fundamental purpose of the business.  A business should be operated as an amoral entity.  In other words, with no regard to the morals or motivations of the seller or buyer.

 

If the USSC rules in favor of the bakery, what will be next?  You walk into the local In-n-Out Burger, they hand you a six page form asking you about various moral and lifestyle issues and tell you to fill it out before they'll hand you that burger.  Can you imagine how long the line will be then?   



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:50 PM

I am always thinking 14th Amendment, equal treatment under the law.......  Then again I am thinking religious freedom.  Have all these gay activists ever bothered to visit a Muslim bakery to ask them to make them a cake....?   A Kosher bakery in New York....?    I think not.......   I think they have targeted very Christian bakers in an effort to bring court cases and break these bakers, financially of course, with their deep pocket backing, put them out of business.....   And then again I think no cakes for black people, no cakes for Catholics.....?   This is gonna be a tough one.........  Got to be a middle ground somewhere.........?   Interesting case.   Chris

 

Looks like distorted perceptions to me, Chris.
The gay couple that went to the baker were not "activists." They were looking for a cake.
They were truly surprised to be rejected because the cake decorator felt offended.

What?! Offended that a gay couple don't deserve his wonderful creation?
That somehow the offering of his service offends his religion?
No, this is a clear, prima facie case of hatred and intolerance on the part of the baker.

 

Yes, an interesting case.
So, where would you draw the line?

An evangelical Christian car salesman doesn't want to sell a Subaru to a gay couple?

A Jewish grocer doesn't want to sell pork to a Christian?

An Arab rug salesman doesn't want to sell a carpet to a Jewish customer?

 

Besides, the basic argument is flawed.
If the cake is a product: equal treatment means he should sell it to anyone.
If the cake is a work of art, intended to be framed, not eaten, does that make a difference?
An art collector who wants the work should not be denied because he is gay or a Hindu, or whatever.

 

 

Meanwhile, all these references to "big buck leftists" is really ironic, considering

it's the GOP that flexes it's financial muscles.
Here we are on the brink of the GOP caving in to the big buck lobbyists to change

the tax code to favor the wealthiest Americans, to give welfare to the fattest

corporations, and that screws the middle class big time to favor the top 1%.
60% of the tax benefits in this bill go to the top 1%.
40% goes to the top 1/10th of 1%.
Elite argument falls apart.

 


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 07:03 AM

Bake and design your own dammm "wedding" cake if it's that important to you. Or find a different bakery. SCOTUS will rightfully side with the bakery here instead of the Nazi-style, hetero-challenged "couple". Guaranteed.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 04:33 PM

In my business, I don't really care what race, religion, sexuality, etc they are.  I DO however, say no to business that (based on 35 years of experience) will be a pain in the arse.   I am under ZERO obligation to provide a service to you.  The baker did not (and does not) deny service to gay people. He declines to participate in a celebration of gay marriage which is against his religious/personal beliefs. I think it is silly, and YOU may think it is silly, but I also think it is silly for the couple to push the issue. Just find another baker for pete's sake.  YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYONE'S SERVICES  Art, or product, it matters not.


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