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#1 Steve Heard

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 10:28 AM

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Los Angeles (AFP) - A federal judge in San Francisco has ordered California to pay for a sex-change operation for a biologically male prisoner that could cost as much as $100,000.

 

US District Court Judge Jon Tigar ruled Thursday that Michelle-Lael B. Norsworthy, who was born Jeffrey Bryan Norsworthy, should undergo gender-reassignment surgery at the state's expense to ensure her constitutional rights are met.

 

"Defendants shall take all of the actions reasonably necessary to provide Norsworthy sex-reassignment surgery as promptly as possible," the judge wrote.

 

Norsworthy has been in prison since 1987 and is serving 17 years to life for the 1985 shooting death of an acquaintance, according to the Orange County Register newspaper.

Norsworthy, 51, started to identify as a woman in the 1990s and was diagnosed in January 2000 with gender dysphoria, or gender identity disorder.

 

"She is seeking access to the medical treatment prescribed by her treating provider and denied for administrative, rather than medical, reasons," the judge said in his ruling.

 

California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation spokeswoman Terry Thornton told AFP the state was reviewing all options, "including whether or not to appeal."

 

According to the Los Angeles Times, the operation could cost about $100,000.

 

 

 


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Posted 06 April 2015 - 10:45 AM

I would like to know exactly what is meant by "sex change operation." Is the penis being cut off? That would seem to be necessary if the gender is being changed to female.

I consider myself liberal and I strongly favor gay rights and loosening our gender expectations to embrace more masculine females and more feminie males. In fact, I'd like to discard the concepts of "feminine" and "masculine," as I believe they can be damaging stereotypes in lots of ways.

That said, I can't support bodily mutilation. I know it is a slippery slope--and yes, I'm ok with a nose job if someone is really bothered by their nose... I'm less okay with boob jobs because I feel they're the product of unhealthy messages about women's bodies... and I am not ok with cutting off penises. I suppose I can take a "live and let live" attitude towards it, but I most definitely cannot conceive how a court could conclude that genital mutilation is a human right the taxpayers must subsidize.

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 10:47 AM

Saw the headline, saw Federal Judge in SF and knew right away where this was headed. Garbage city, garbage judge, typical outcome. 



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Posted 06 April 2015 - 10:50 AM

I'll cut it off and only charge $50,000.



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Posted 06 April 2015 - 10:53 AM

I don't think any prisoner should get better or more extensive medical care than that provided under MediCal.


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Posted 06 April 2015 - 10:53 AM

This nonsense is right up there with the Taxpayers paying $4,200 rent on a Vacaville home for a sex offender. 



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Posted 06 April 2015 - 11:43 AM

I don't think any prisoner should get better or more extensive medical care than that provided under MediCal.

 

Exactly.


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Posted 06 April 2015 - 12:52 PM

How does anyone see this as even remotely acceptable? Liberal, Conservative, Whatever. This is completely insane. That judge in San Fransicko is out of his mind.

 

Why is this MURDERER getting special treatment? How is this being justified? Our system is out of control, it's past time for reform. The current leadership in this state is grossly out of touch with reality.

 

If we have to pay for a CONVICTED MURDERERs sex change does that mean we will soon have to pay for anyone who wants a sex change? Is this covered under Obama Care?


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Posted 06 April 2015 - 12:56 PM

How does anyone see this as even remotely acceptable? Liberal, Conservative, Whatever. This is completely insane. That judge in San Fransicko is out of his mind.

 

Why is this MURDERER getting special treatment? How is this being justified? Our system is out of control, it's past time for reform. The current leadership in this state is grossly out of touch with reality.

 

If we have to pay for a CONVICTED MURDERERs sex change does that mean we will soon have to pay for anyone who wants a sex change? Is this covered under Obama Care?

 

It happened because a doctor deemed the operation 'medically necessary', for his gender identification.

 

One supporter said, 'If they say no to him, they can say no to the state paying for ANY gender reassignment surgery!'

 

I was like, 'duh'!


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Posted 06 April 2015 - 01:20 PM

exactly!

 

I heard he has been putting off his parole hearings too in hopes he will get approved for the surgery before he might get out.

 

 

I think we better start watching Bruce Jenner more carefully now.   ;)


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Posted 06 April 2015 - 01:22 PM

I dont follow that person's comment whether it was meant towards covered ca, medi-Cal, state employees, or prisoners

 

My thinking on this:

 

A) any person who is in prison has there medical and/or covered ca cancelled at moment of incarceration.  Their policy-therefore-changes. 

 

I see this the same way as I see a person who changes the option to paid insurance levels (upgrading from silver bronze or gold...)

 

B) Medi-Cal patients -albeit usually quite poor or retired and on fixed incomes (usually means they are quite poor compared to people receiving regular paychecks)...have very little choices in their medi-cal options for surgeries...they must live within their means like other responsible human beings who pay bills (remember--the retirees already proved they are law abiding and worked 20+ years in order to receive their pensions...others on Medi-Cal because they are medically needing assistance that otherwise couldnt be possible.)

 

C) I see Prison medical expenses as necessary for preventative purposes in order to compel rehabilitation (mental health drugs), or to compel mass health and safety (shots-showers-nutritious meals, exercise)

 

What Im failing to see is the state mandate that prisoners medical needs are our responsibility because they want a sex change. 

To me... it falls to reason that if sterilization is considered inhumane -- then other forms of sexual manipulation of organ parts should also be considered inhumane while a prison is in our custody.

 

Im not even talking about the brevity of many studies on prisoners that show their mental and emotional stability steeply declines while incarcerated. This then is grounds for a major lawsuit if a prisoner is ever released from custody and they then scream we took their sexuality from them--that it was known their mental health was not stable at time of request for surgery. Further... How do we know that they did not have a sudden decline in mental health prior to entering the "system", or that they are defrauding the government and committing crimes in order to get surgeries that otherwise a good and decent law abiding person would have to work tremendously hard in order to pay for what ever premiums their medical insurance company would not normally consider medicallly necessary?

 

So to go back to the above quote that Steve posted....

 

No, I do think that State workers should have that privilege just as any other employer sponsored insurance would pay for a sex change.  For Medi-Cal too. They are playing by the states rules, being good citizens.... so if covered cal and medical is for indigent then they should have their own tier of medically necessary for sex changes, as well.

 

But prisoners...sex is illegal in prison. condoms are only there to discourage the reckless promulgation of STDs among criminals who are not gong to follow the rules anyway. But I don't see why we are paying for their sex change. What are they doing as employees of the state of California to earn the same medical insurance as law abiding citizens?

 

The inhumanity of this decision is the person on the streets who does follow the laws and cant get a sex change. That is insanely inhumane. The state need to stop punishing good people for bad people's choices.



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Posted 06 April 2015 - 01:58 PM

It is their "right" to identify as female. Heck, I would even allow that if they choose to get the surgery an argument could be made for allowing that. HOWEVER, I see no reason the taxpayer should be  required to pay for such a procedure. You all realize that not only is there the 100k to the hospital, there is the mandated escort from corrections. How much is that going to cost? So sick of liberal judges and their ridiculous rulings. Not to mention the ridiculous liberal laws that require such actions in the first place.


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Posted 06 April 2015 - 02:41 PM

I don't think any prisoner should get better or more extensive medical care than that provided under MediCal.

Medi-Cal actually pays for gender reassignment surgery on a case-by-case basis. Not defending this, just saying.



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Posted 06 April 2015 - 02:59 PM

soo, just out of curiousity...

does she/it get tranferred to a women's facility after the operation? Or is there going to be a certain period of adjustment at taxpayers expwnse to house this prisoner and teach him to be a her?

 

You know like how to squat.. how to have pms for special treatment, how to bat his eyes and try to get a guard horny?

 

Really... just what in the fluff are we doing messing with people's sexuality when they are aren't even supposed to be sexual in prison? Crap this P Me O the more I think about this. 

 

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 04:02 PM

That friggin pic above, too much like this...

 

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