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[Adamal]

Human nature being what it is, we want to down play this and rationalize it with other nonrelated things.

The fact is, it doesn't take too many to kill or wound dozens of people.

Think Fort Hood. Nobody thought that after this man had joined the service and been educated he would choose to act in such a violent way....but he did. Why?

If being here, being educated and in the service didn't prevent his getting out his gun and shooting at fellow officers, what will it take?

There is in fact, pockets of Muslins that our government is watching because of the threat they pose. Why give them more numbers for us to have to watch?

There IS a valid concern here, when so much violence is connected to this religion.

By that rational we should be watching anyone with overly religious tendencies. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian fanatic, should we be watching all Christian's too?

Don't let fear ever be a deciding factor in any rational decision. Besides you're way more likely to get killed in a car crash or even struck by lightning that being killed by a terrorist.

[The Average Joe]

By that rational we should be watching anyone with overly religious tendencies. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian fanatic, should we be watching all Christian's too?

Just so we're clear...you equate worldwide jihadism with Timothy McVeigh...mmmm, ok.

" Not much different than any other other ethnic neighborhood in a society."

Except that little Italy isn't fostering anti-Democracy hate and recruiting suicide bombers...

I'm not worrying about getting killed my Muslims, I'm concerned because their religious/political ideology is one and the same...AND it is insinuating itself into "free" countries in an incremental fashion. Unfortunately, when doing so, it DOES NOT recognize the rights of others (non-believers) as equal. It does not recognize the separation of church and state.

Don't you find it odd that to question Mohamed, draw pictures of him, etc results in riots, death threats, and calls for jihad..while Christians and Jews can be lampooned, questioned and diminished without repercussion? It's called social-philosophical maturity. A mature belief system does not call for ones head when it is questioned. A mature belief system does not include honor killings, or extreme repression of women. Shall I go on?

All belief systems are not equal. All morals are not equal. All ideologies are not equal.

And no, I am not a member of any organized religion...

[Adamal]

By that rational we should be watching anyone with overly religious tendencies. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian fanatic, should we be watching all Christian's too?

Just so we're clear...you equate worldwide jihadism with Timothy McVeigh...mmmm, ok.

Just so we're clear... you equate a religion with terrorist organizations that use said religion for recruitment.

There are secs within Christianity and other major religions that are equally as messed up. No religion's holy book is any more moral than any others. People pick and choose which parts of their holy books they want to believe anyways and it is usually the one that fits with their pre-existing world view.

[The Average Joe]

Just so we're clear... you equate a religion with terrorist organizations that use said religion for recruitment.

Answer...yes. I equate this religion with terrorist organizations worldwide. They don't USE the religion for recruitment. Look up fundamentalist sometime...here, I'll do it for you:

Fundamentalism refers to a belief in a strict adherence to a set of basic principles...

"Islamic fundamentalism" is most often used to describe Muslim individuals and groups which advocate Islamism, a political ideology calling for the replacement of state secular laws with Islamic law.


There are secs within Christianity and other major religions that are equally as messed up.

True to a point. Fundamental Christians are not waging a worldwide jihad against anyone. And, they do not compromise the huge percentages of the fundamentalist sect of Islam. Look into how many fundamentalist people get elected in Muslim countries (hint, it's typically over 50%)

No religion's holy book is any more moral than any others. People pick and choose which parts of their holy books they want to believe anyways and it is usually the one that fits with their pre-existing world view.

Unfortunately, the "pre-existing worldview" of fundamentalist Muslims is the problem.

[Adamal]

Good example of how things are going. Lovely....no wonder Americans are drinking more these days!

Yeah I guess it has nothing to do with the bad economy. I always thought one of the strengths of early America is that we took the best parts of the cultures that made us up and made them our own. And really do you think that there would be a big enough migration to make any difference here in America? In Europe sure, its a problem, but here no so much.

[swmr545]

That was the case, until they started over breeding and taking over and making us adhere to their cultural rules while throwing ours to the side. it's easy to do when so many bleeding hearts want to cater to them to appease them. We will soon be minorities in our own country, praise Allah, God and Christianity will soon become banned words, enjoy them while you still can.

I thought Allah was God

[Adamal]

That was the case, until they started over breeding and taking over and making us adhere to their cultural rules while throwing ours to the side. it's easy to do when so many bleeding hearts want to cater to them to appease them. We will soon be minorities in our own country, praise Allah, God and Christianity will soon become banned words, enjoy them while you still can.

Chicken little the sky is not falling. I agree with you that within 50 years there is a good chance white anglos will be a minority in this country. However, the current population of Muslims in this country is so low that they would all have to have at least 20 kids per pair to even have a chance of overtaking anyone. Sorry but I think the Mormons have them beat

Since it is a religion and not a "race" I guess they could always convert us. I wouldn't convert, would you? I fear the power of our government and the current economic outlook for America orders of magnitude more than I fear any religion or "race".

[ducky]

Chicken little the sky is not falling. I agree with you that within 50 years there is a good chance white anglos will be a minority in this country. However, the current population of Muslims in this country is so low that they would all have to have at least 20 kids per pair to even have a chance of overtaking anyone. Sorry but I think the Mormons have them beat

Since it is a religion and not a "race" I guess they could always convert us. I wouldn't convert, would you? I fear the power of our government and the current economic outlook for America orders of magnitude more than I fear any religion or "race".

I guess as a woman who loves her freedom I have more fear of the extremist version of this religion than any other religion that comes to mind. I don't like the idea of a separate religious law that would allow a husband to beat his wife. I don't want to cover up to walk outside. I know there doesn't seem to be a likelihood this would ever happen in our country that loves freedom, unless maybe if we look away long enough.

I'm trying to think of a Christian, Buddhist, or Mormon or example of another religion that has leaders all over the globe teaching extreme versions of those religions that are specifically targeting and trying to kill as many civilians as possible or that strap bombs to their women and children and I just can't come up with one.

[Adamal]

I guess as a woman who loves her freedom I have more fear of the extremist version of this religion than any other religion that comes to mind. I don't like the idea of a separate religious law that would allow a husband to beat his wife. I don't want to cover up to walk outside. I know there doesn't seem to be a likelihood this would ever happen in our country that loves freedom, unless maybe if we look away long enough.

I'm trying to think of a Christian, Buddhist, or Mormon or example of another religion that has leaders all over the globe teaching extreme versions of those religions that are specifically targeting and trying to kill as many civilians as possible or that strap bombs to their women and children and I just can't come up with one.

How are they going to force their version of religion over you. First you're protected from any kind of invasion by the best army in the world. Second there their laws and morals are such against our own they would never even get enough votes to change a single law in a single location in this country. Seriously if you loose any sleep over these peoples and their views don't leave your house or get out of bed. It is far more likely you'll be hit by a bus or hurt in numerous other ways. And by far more likely I mean you would be more likely to win the California lottery twice then ever meeting one of these guys in the US.

[ducky]

How are they going to force their version of religion over you. First you're protected from any kind of invasion by the best army in the world. Second there their laws and morals are such against our own they would never even get enough votes to change a single law in a single location in this country. Seriously if you loose any sleep over these peoples and their views don't leave your house or get out of bed. It is far more likely you'll be hit by a bus or hurt in numerous other ways. And by far more likely I mean you would be more likely to win the California lottery twice then ever meeting one of these guys in the US.

Exaggerate much? The only thing you left out is if I'm over 40 and single I'd be more likely to be attacked by a terrorist than get married

I never said I lose any sleep. I do think about it, though, especially every time I fly on a plane.