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[Thor2074]

My brother works for a very large company in the east as a Chief Inspector on bridge construction and my dad is long retired. Definitely not drinkers.

No intention to offend. I went to college in the nineties, and all the smart, nerdy engineer students were mechanical and electrical. All the crazy party drunks were civil. Very true for Sac State and Chico State, two great schools for civil.

[asbestoshills]

There are plenty of laws that prevent corporations from polluting the groundwater. The fact that wells are taken out of service is evidence of that, which is totally contrary to what you are saying.

And there are simply no studies showing perchlorate causes cancer in humans.

You are such a simpleton and very uninformed or just work for Aerojet......Guess what, people with cancer don't usually take statistics of their plight.......Years later the EPA picks up the dust if the databases are correct, which many times they aren't......AND yes there are many studies.....Let me guess, you are an attorney for Aerojet and your little 150,000 dollar a year job is just enough payola to deny people are dying...Or are you a lobbyist?
There are hundreds more links to recent studies...In the future, you will see the proof...Cancer statistics take decades to really show a cluster or pattern.......I don't think I want to wait that long.....You sound like a lobbyist for the smoking corporations that showed PResident Reagan touting the HEALTH benefits of nicotine...So, if it doesn't cause cancer, let me bring you some tainted water to drink......



A recent study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that more than one third of American women are deficient in iodine, and that for these women, exposure to the rocket fuel contaminant perchlorate in food or water can cause a significant and dose dependent decline in thyroid hormone levels. Low thyroid levels, or subclinical hypothyroidism, is an established risk factor in fetal development and can cause IQ deficits, developmental delays, and in severe cases, cretinism.

An Environmental Working Group analysis of the CDC data found that for more than 2 million iodine deficient women nationwide, exposure to perchlorate in drinking water and the food supply, at levels equal to or lower than proposed national and state standards, could lower thyroid hormone levels to the extent that they would require medical treatment to avoid developmental damage to their babies.

[Warren G]

No intention to offend. I went to college in the nineties, and all the smart, nerdy engineer students were mechanical and electrical. All the crazy party drunks were civil. Very true for Sac State and Chico State, two great schools for civil.

No offense taken. I know a half dozen engineers from Sac State, and I agree about those civils, except they're well below the level of people who were at the top of their class at a good University.

The mechanical guys told me this joke. What's the difference between mechanical engineers and civil engineers...?

Mechanical engineers make weapons systems. Civil engineers make targets.

[Bill Z]

Mechanical engineers make weapons systems. Civil engineers make targets.

And electrical engineers make the guidance systems so the weapon systems can hit their targets.


Hey, I'm an MSEE, you didn't think I could let that go unmodified, did you?

[Warren G]

An Environmental Working Group analysis of the CDC data found that for more than 2 million iodine deficient women nationwide, exposure to perchlorate in drinking water and the food supply, at levels equal to or lower than proposed national and state standards, could lower thyroid hormone levels

Are we to assume that you are equally upset with the doctors/HMO's who don't treat the iodine deficiencies in all those women (~1.5% of the total population, by your account), nor the low thyroid levels?

This thread has gotten political. And here I thought it was a thread about how we don't like the fact that we don't have basements in CA. I blame that on the the conservatives who own the backhoes that won't dig a basement for me, and the weak-kneed liberals who can't get enough illegal immigrants in here to make the concrete forms for cheap. And if those independents could stop blaming everybody else for the problems maybe they could get me 200 yards of concrete for a reasonable price.

[asbestoshills]

YEAH, but doctors didn't give those women low thyroids; perchlorate will......
It's not just low thyroid...Many cancers are triggered by this pollutant and it will be a hot button once more data surfaces about how many kinds of cancers can be shown to be caused by low levels of perchlorate ingestion.......I didn't want to get political, but when someone argues with facts, I find it hard to resist to not show the truth...

[brown]

You are such a simpleton and very uninformed or just work for Aerojet......Guess what, people with cancer don't usually take statistics of their plight.......Years later the EPA picks up the dust if the databases are correct, which many times they aren't......AND yes there are many studies.....Let me guess, you are an attorney for Aerojet and your little 150,000 dollar a year job is just enough payola to deny people are dying...Or are you a lobbyist?
There are hundreds more links to recent studies...In the future, you will see the proof...Cancer statistics take decades to really show a cluster or pattern.......I don't think I want to wait that long.....You sound like a lobbyist for the smoking corporations that showed PResident Reagan touting the HEALTH benefits of nicotine...So, if it doesn't cause cancer, let me bring you some tainted water to drink......

So that's the best you've got? You can't back up your statements so you attack?

[rlsliger]

I didn't want to get political, but when someone argues with facts, I find it hard to resist to not show the truth...

can you show it without resorting to name calling?

[Steve Heard]

Back on topic, I love Cali, but wish there was something that could or would be done about the problem of illegal immigration.

There is great impact on schools, health care, housing, police and the justice system.

I can appreciate someone coming from another land to get the American dream, but allowing thousand of illegals to enter our state each month is ridiculous.

[ducky]

Why don't we have basements?

I've always asked that, too. I would love a basement. My house is tiny so I could sure use the extra space. I remember visiting my aunt in New York in the summer and the basement was a great place to escape the heat and humidity.

I remember looking at the new house models in Natoma Station off of what I think was Seaton and some of those homes had sunken dens. I'm not sure you could call them basements, but they were really nice.

I really shouldn't be posting here because I love living in California. I only wish we would do more to protect our open space and agriculture.

[Bill Z]

And here I thought it was a thread about how we don't like the fact that we don't have basements in CA. I blame that on the the conservatives who own the backhoes that won't dig a basement for me, and the weak-kneed liberals who can't get enough illegal immigrants in here to make the concrete forms for cheap.

There is a sub-division in Folsom that offered basements. I remember touring the models when they were open, but i don't recall exactly where it was in Folsom.

[ducky]

There is a sub-division in Folsom that offered basements. I remember touring the models when they were open, but i don't recall exactly where it was in Folsom.

Apparently, they did call them basement homes. Cresleigh was the builder.

http://www.tomatopag...showtopic=19921

[Dave Burrell]

Back on topic, I love Cali, but wish there was something that could or would be done about the problem of illegal immigration.

There is great impact on schools, health care, housing, police and the justice system.

I can appreciate someone coming from another land to get the American dream, but allowing thousand of illegals to enter our state each month is ridiculous.

I completely agree and being from So Cal I honestly feel these illegals are ruining our state not only by trashing it but by using up all our resources without contributing anything back into the systems (taxes) - the way I see it - illegals are stealing from us

[Warren G]

There is a sub-division in Folsom that offered basements. I remember touring the models when they were open, but i don't recall exactly where it was in Folsom.

The thing that would be difficult for a builder to overcome here is that feeling of a basement feeling kind of like a dungeon. It's difficult to get enough natural light without ending up with a "raised ranch", and walls that don't feel cold. Make it into a large rec room and a place for the kids where they can be noisy and run around without tripping over storage boxes... Then some people will buy the idea of a basement, even if it does add $20-$40k to the price of the house.

[brown]

Back on topic, I love Cali, but wish there was something that could or would be done about the problem of illegal immigration.

There is great impact on schools, health care, housing, police and the justice system.

I can appreciate someone coming from another land to get the American dream, but allowing thousand of illegals to enter our state each month is ridiculous.

Agreed...IMO definitely the biggest problem we face.