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#1 GrumpyOldGuy

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 05:17 PM

The MyFolsom.com administrator decided to alter posts I've done regarding climate change. They're now lumped together under a single heading, and moved from "Open Topic" to "Politics" (TOS says they can do it).   Although minor changes, it's censorship.  As such, this is my final post in any of these forums.  I wish everyone good luck.



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Posted 27 September 2016 - 05:27 PM

Well, you are not the first Anthropogenic Global Warming fan boy to take his marbles and go home........   Probably not the last.   Yes, the mods can do that, you are not the first one, and I agree with their reasoning in moving it to politics.  

And I hate to see you go.  I so much enjoy it when everyone in the room has different opinions and does not agree.  Makes life much more interesting and every once in awhile you learn something.   Anyway, maybe just put yourself on a time out for a month or so and then come back....?   I promise not to make fun of you if you do.....   Chris


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Posted 27 September 2016 - 05:34 PM

Good riddance. Your incessant ranting about the climate change fraud was driving people away from this forum.

We wish you well with your *sky is falling* global warming cult.


 

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 05:45 PM

GOG!! I hate to see you go. It was not censorship, as none of your posts were altered. I just merged them all together in one cohesive spot. It makes it easier for readers to follow, and takes up less 'list' space when looking at all of the topics. 

 

As far a putting it in politics, if that wasn't a political topic, I don't know what is! 

 

So, it's still there in its entirety for discussion, but now you can argue in the politics section, where it belongs.  


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#5 The Average Joe

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Posted 27 September 2016 - 05:59 PM

I'm sad to see Gog go. Although I generally don't agree with his viewpoints, he usually added something to the discussion. I wish all posters could say the same.

And GoG, It was definitely not censorship, it was organization of a topic that belonged in the politics section. Most of MyFolsom doesn't care for the politics section due to a few bad actors that seem to be unable to separate ideas from people. They certainly don't want it in open topic. It is too bad that what should be a scientific discourse has turned into a political topic filled with agendas.

 

"Your incessant ranting ...was driving people away from this forum."

 

Seriously? You nearly caused me to leave after 10 years and approximately 5000 posts. Far worse than the many liberal ideologues that have come and gone (or been banned) over the years who could at least carry a conversation.  You hurt your cause far more than help it I'm afraid....


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Posted 27 September 2016 - 06:05 PM

I am glad that Joe is reading my posts. He said a while ago that he was going to ignore my opinions. Welcome back, Joe and quit being intolerant of other's opinions which are well stated and factual. You should be better than that.



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Posted 27 September 2016 - 06:20 PM

I only see your posts if I click a topic before I log in.  This happened to be one of those times...I am not intolerant of opinions, and I.m not ignoring your ideas (some of which I lean towards agreeing with), I was ignoring YOU. Carry on.


"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive" -- C.S. Lewis

 

If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous

 

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one" — Thomas Paine, 𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 (1776)

 


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Posted 27 September 2016 - 06:25 PM

i don't see climate change as politics.  more like science.  the deniers are making it out to be political, but the science of what is happening isn't.  


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Posted 27 September 2016 - 07:43 PM

i don't see climate change as politics.  more like science.  the deniers are making it out to be political, but the science of what is happening isn't.  

It should not be but AGW advocates pick and chose data, ignore, hide, and alter data that does not support their theory, which after all that is what it is, just a theory.   And they make money doing it....!   It is a business and currently a US and UN progressive government agenda.  It is also used as a political tool by the left to extort more money from corporations by taxation and "penalties" and give unions more power.  And you know something is afoul when the scientists who disagree and ask for proof are called "deniers".  It is absolutely a political issue.....!    Chris


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Posted 28 September 2016 - 06:43 AM

i don't see climate change as politics.  more like science.  the deniers are making it out to be political, but the science of what is happening isn't.  

 

Hey, 4thGen, you usually are fairly reasonable. If the whole climate change thing isn't politically-driven by the left, then why would they have to *lie about it*?? Come on now, 4thGen. Once people start lying about something, that's when you know something fishy is going on.

 

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Posted 28 September 2016 - 03:07 PM

I have asked others (and heard others ask) What do you think is the "science" portion of climate change?  The typical response usually began with some scattered data of rising water levels and melting glaciers (It used to be polar ice caps until it was shown that Antarctica is growing).  After a few more leading questions "What do you think is the cause?" "What would you propose as the fix?" etc., I would ask "How do you know?" and inevitably it was "science says so!" despite the fact that we have been tracking weather data of any accuracy (regarding the few degrees that most are screaming about) for < a couple hundred years of the 4.5 BILLION (roughly .000004%) of it's existence

 

"You believe that's solid science?" 
"SURE!" 
"You realize that is called forecasting?  You feed what data you have and the factors that YOU believe influence or directly impact that and PREDICT an outcome.  You understand that right?"

"YUP"

"And that's the solid science?"
"YUP"
"It is the same science that meteorologists use for weather.  The same science that, despite significant recent data and satellite imagery that SHOWS whats coming from around the entire globe, STILL struggles to predict the weather for tomorrow within 5 degrees?  Or predict a hurricane, tornado or thunder storm until it actually exists.  Why do you think that is?"
"Well it's the weather!  You can't expect them to be right about it all the time!  I mean things change!  There are so many variables and unknowns, I mean they are lucky to get within a few degrees"
"EXACTLY!"

 

- I am all for alternative energy, but the fear mongering of politicians to suggest that data shows that WE MUST ACT NOW! or seal the doom of the planet for our future is simply another way to put themselves in control.  You poor simpletons will destroy the planet if you don't let the government step in and save you from yourselves! (Now excuse us while we go write some more nonsense regulations to insure the endless pot of imaginary $$$$ keeps pouring in to the pockets of our supporters that we call "stimulus $")



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Posted 29 September 2016 - 05:19 PM

what if they are right?


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Posted 29 September 2016 - 05:41 PM

The vast amount of evidence disproving global warming suggests they are wrong. And the LIES just magnify the hoax. Please consult the data, and remember my courtroom comparison: if they lie even once, then you can/must disregard everything they say.

Don't be ignorant about this. That's not how you usually are, 4thGen. What happened to you?



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Posted 29 September 2016 - 05:57 PM

what if they are right?

They have to prove it, which they have not....!   And use "Scientific Method" to do so.   And they have not....!  Trust me, as someone who is trained in science (BA Geology in 1985) and who has worked in Biotechnology these last 30+ years, in the lab, doing cutting edge science every day,  saving lives...........    I can tell you the AGW fan boys have nothing to stand on, no data, no proof.....!   A theory is all they have, and a political motivated one at that.  Prove it with data and I will believe.   It's all about the science and believe me the science is not there.....!   Show me, prove it, and I will be on your side.  The numbers don't lie.......      Chris 


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Posted 30 September 2016 - 06:45 AM

That is the perfect question 4th gen.  However, when you start looking at the numbers and how they are manipulated, red flags start to go up. Then when you see how alternative viewpoints get hidden/dismissed/crucuified and hoiw scientists with stelar reputations get blacklisted for suggesting there might be another possibility, you start to understand that this has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with money. I too love science. Proponents of AGW are abusing the scientific method horrifically when they use it at all.

Squashing dissent is not science!  Manipulating data that doesn't fit your theory is not science!  Turning corollary into causation is not science!

 

Here is the bottom line. If you cannot answer the following three questions, you cannot claim global warming is man made and a crisis.

 

What percentage of warming is attributable to natural causes?  This is the crucial number, and no one has any idea. It could be 50%, it could be 100%

 

Why is this current temperature and co2 level  the "ideal" one? Plants thrive with more co2, and society has flourished due to warming as opposed to times like the little ice age.

 

It has been much colder and much warmer on Earth in the past (and is fairly cyclical), why is a short term (geologically speaking) spike any different from other short term spikes in the past?

 

See, the theory bases everything on "evil" co2.  The link between warming and co2 is a theory, and a not very well supported one at that! It has morphed in a cultlike belief system where disbelievers must be punished.

 

Let me ask you this, if you had 95% of your computer modeling for a theory fail to produce accurate results, would you increase your confidence in them?  That is what the IPCC has done. Policy makers look to the IPCC to set policies. The IPCC has been guilty of so much malfeasance that I won't go into it all here.  This is about destroying cheap accessible energy. Ask Europe how their green schemes are working out. Ask Australia about their blackout. And don't forget the reparations. A huge cash grab from developed countries to undeveloped ones.  This is not about saving man from himself, this is about money, control and power.


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If the only way to combat "global warming" was to lower taxes, we would never hear of the issue again. - Anonymous

 

"Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one" — Thomas Paine, 𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 (1776)

 





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