Folsom Teacher Put On Leave For Bringing Confederate Flag In Classroom
#16 (Folsom Trails)
Posted 19 January 2017 - 07:22 PM
It's unfortunate that people who have war time pride in battles of old have to share those sentiments with racists. The racists cast a huge shadow over the prideful historians. Just look at Jokers response. Right away putting blacks down. Let him wave it in his house. Kids of color shouldn't have to sit there and have it shoved at them.
I know BCF said some had fun. I don't know the racial make up of the classroom but I'll bet all did not have fun. Would a Jewish kid have had fun with the Yellow Star reenactment?
The kids have text books and I have no problem with them learning history that way. History must be learned so as not to repeat it. Reenactments used to be fun but not in today's world. They should save that stuff for drama club or plays.
#17
Posted 19 January 2017 - 07:41 PM
STEVE, ARE YOU WILLING TO CRITICIZE DEMOCRATS FOR SUPPORTING SLAVERY AND CREATING THE KKK.
DON'T MAKE ME PROVE IT TO YOU.
#18
Posted 19 January 2017 - 08:32 PM
Doesn't the teacher have tenure? I'm guessing he isn't going anywhere.
I don't know one way or the other; I'd be curious what former students have to say about him. He could be a great teacher and still a racist.
He strikes me as having filter issues. Maybe he should run for public office.
#19
Posted 19 January 2017 - 08:37 PM
If the OP is against the teacher, based on post history and without knowing the details here, I would likely side with the teacher, giving him the benefit of the doubt.
It's apparent that the OP and the SJW from the article don't even know the full symbolism behind the flag. Just the superficial and emotional associations. Typical.
#20
Posted 19 January 2017 - 08:54 PM
STEVE, ARE YOU WILLING TO CRITICIZE DEMOCRATS FOR SUPPORTING SLAVERY AND CREATING THE KKK.
DON'T MAKE ME PROVE IT TO YOU.
Sure I am. I'd be a hypocrite not to, wouldn't I?
The Democratic party of yesteryear was a conservative, whites-only party, dedicated promoting and protecting that segregationist way of life, while the Republicans were the radical progressives of the day. They wanted hope and change.
In time, conservative Democrats, Dixiecrats and 'States Rights' Democrats jumped ship and went to the Republican party. Strom Thurmond and David Duke are notable examples. Others, like Robert Byrd and Al Gore Sr., though segregationist, remained Democrats.
Today, it seems that most admitted white racists are republican, and I think it's probably fair to say that most black racists lean Democrat.
You don't have to prove anything to me. I paid attention in school, and educated myself further.
I won't ask that you criticize anyone.
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#21
Posted 19 January 2017 - 09:00 PM
Sounds like another over reaction by school administrators before the facts were in. No wonder teachers are afraid to go out of the box. ALL history needs to be taught. Sounds like a great teacher.
Everybody's gut reaction seemed to be completely wrong about this guy. I know a local teacher that wears his "State of Jefferson" shirt in his classroom. I have a bigger problem with that than a confederate flags used in role playing for teaching.
#22 (Folsom Trails)
Posted 20 January 2017 - 05:11 AM
I don't care how many kids had "fun" either. Kids can be cruel too and I will bet after class some of them taunted and bullied kids of color. I went to school too. In today's world we have learned for the most part our mistakes from the past and act accordingly.
Why are so many kids walking out of their classrooms today when this racist clown is being sworn in? So that they don't have to put up with crap in their classrooms like this teacher in Folsom brought. I will bet he was emboldened by Trumps win like many racists are. Just look at this forum and you see how racists have come out of the shadows. Taken their white sheeted hoods off. Folsom did the right thing pushing this teacher out.
Btw, hey there Ghost. Good to see you sniping from the cheap seats again. Miss you in the politics section.lol
#23
Posted 20 January 2017 - 08:18 AM
The losers here are our kids in middle school, our town, and our country. We no longer have a dynamic, well loved and respected teacher to inspire and challenge our children. This is no victory, having him retire early. This is a loss to out of control political correctness in this country. Chris
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#24
Posted 20 January 2017 - 08:21 AM
I won't ask that you criticize anyone.
STEVE, THE ONLY PEOPLE I CRITICIZE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO OBSESS OVER RACE IN OUR SOCIETY (I.E: OBAMA, SHARPTON, JACKSON, BLACK LIVES MATTER, LA RAZA, MOST DEMOCRATS, AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA).
AND FINALLY, ANYONE WHO HAS A *MELTDOWN* OVER THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IS SIMPLY A *DRAMA QUEEN* SEEKING ATTENTION.
#25
Posted 20 January 2017 - 08:30 AM
I am sad that FCUSD doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between BEING racist and TEACHING about racism. What lesson are other teachers to draw from this? That all negative or uncomfortable history must be swept under the carpet; that lessons must be BORING BORING BORING exercises in plodding through the textbook rather than active engagement; and that FCUSD will not have your back if, in 15+ years of teaching, you make one clumsy and unintentional comment. Very troubling. And by the way, I am a liberal and passionate Obama supporter--but I believe in teaching actual history (not a sanitized version) in a stimulating, thought-provoking fashion. My daughter (also liberal) had Mr. Hart, greatly enjoyed his class, and saw nothing inappropriate.
#26 (Folsom Trails)
Posted 20 January 2017 - 08:49 AM
#27
Posted 20 January 2017 - 08:57 AM
It is the historical facts themselves that are uncomfortable--not whether they are taught by reading the book, lecturing, or having the kids role play or write essays.
Are you really willing to stop teaching these facts so that the black kids, or the girls, or the Jewish kids, won't feel uncomfortable?
Now I do agree that active engagement and visual aids can go too far. If the teacher brought in a mini-gallows and pretended to hang black dolls as a demo of lynching, that would go too far because it is too explicit of the violence and horror. If the teacher herded the kids into a utility closet and told them to pretend they were being gassed in a Nazi gas chamber, that would go too far because it makes the trauma too real.
Hanging flags--the same flags depicted in the textbook--so the kids could divide up into Union and Confederate and express the point of view of each side? That sounds pretty tame.
#28 (Folsom Trails)
Posted 20 January 2017 - 09:15 AM
#29
Posted 20 January 2017 - 09:17 AM
#30
Posted 20 January 2017 - 09:25 AM
If you don't feel uncomfortable when taught history, you have no soul. If you are unwilling to teach history in all its ugly reality, then we are doing a great disservice to us and our children. My hope is that with a good understanding of history we can say "never again," mean it, and then follow through.
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