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[asbestoshills]

Hahaha no, they're snobs because their priority in life is based on materialist needs (who has the biggest house, most expensive car, hottest trophy wife with the most plastic accessories etc etc), most of us low life Folsomites, value regular people much more then materialistic crap.

Thanks for letting me know I live in the ghetto, I had no idea....but ya know what? What you think is bad, I think is great - I love Folsom and no matter how much you put my city down, I will tell you straight up, you're full of BS because where I live in Folsom is nothing like your crazy way out negative descriptions.

First, I think you are my first groupie, as you feel a need to comment on all of my posts. Second, I didn't say Folsom was bad, you said EDHs is just full of snobs and just b/c your income isn't to par, doesn't mean you should bad mouth a nice area. Some think Folsom is a very high income area comparatively speaking to other parts of Sacto. I didn't say it was the ghetto. I said if HWY50 opens up and the new housing bleeds into this area and eventually White Rock and Elk Grove meet it will resemble Elk Grove then the small town it used to be.
So, if you can, re-read the post.
And no one bad mouthed Folsom. I said if the development occurs with lots of cheap housing, it will resemble a not so nice place to live. Also, Serrano and the other neighborhoods in EDHs are nice. BTW, maybe you are a trophy husband. You better keep that face and body going or you'll have to slum it in South Sacto!

[cw68]

just b/c your income isn't to par

Um, there are plenty of us Folsomites whose incomes could have comfortably supported purchases in EDH but didn't buy there because of, at least in part, the prevalence of attitudes just like this. Personally, I won't ever live in EDH. Zero desire to. Zilch. Regardless of my income. On top of the attitudes, I think gated McMansion neighborhoods full of big pretty houses and nice cars suck for many reasons. One of which is that people are what make neighborhoods. If you have to rely on an (overzealous) HOA to keep a neighborhood in line then, IMO, that's evidence that the people in the neighborhood suck. I have other reasons too, none of which will change regardless of my income.

You know, I'm really tired of the whole "You think I'm a snob because I make more money than you. I know that I do because people with money choose EDH (where I live) over Folsom (where you live)" attitude that people in both EDH and Folsom have. No, you're a snob because you judge on material things (including money) and place way too much value on them AND because you assume those who possess material things are superior. Gag me.

But this is an off-topic tangent. Sorry.

[asbestoshills]

You are right, but at the same time I wasn't the one bashing EDHs and he seems to have a chip on his shoulder. So for whatever reason he doesn't like EDHs, he can keep it to himself. Also, the whole point of the conversation was that Folsom will be not as desirable to some who have lived here a long time b/c they don't want it to become another Elk Grove.

[cw68]

You are right, but at the same time I wasn't the one bashing EDHs and he seems to have a chip on his shoulder. So for whatever reason he doesn't like EDHs, he can keep it to himself. Also, the whole point of the conversation was that Folsom will be not as desirable to some who have lived here a long time b/c they don't want it to become another Elk Grove.

One thing we have over Elk Grove is employment. Yes, Waste Connections left, but Intel, CalISO and others really help our city.

[MikeinFolsom]

I think N. Parkway drive was deemed low income housing way back when. Also, it's the Folsom way to be envious of your next door neighbor. Everyone needs to know what their neighbors make. How much is in the bank. How they afford a boat. What car they drive. If you think Folsom isn't this way, gimme a pair of your blinders. Everyone in this city keeps up with the Jones'. "I don't have it/get it.....why should you". - anonymous Folsomite ....circa ....everyday.

[Steve Heard]

Hopefully you learned your lesson and not believe everything you hear from a Realtor, without checking out the facts. First off there was NO affordable housing planned for ER or the Parkway. Secondly, both of these developments were part of the plan for Folsom for N50. The availablity of sevices and infrastucture were already planned for without having financial impacts on existing residents. ( excluding the fact we all paid for the expansion of the water teatment plant)

There was a time when many people used to say that Detroit was one of the best places to live and raise a family too.

It wasn't that long ago, Folsom was getting recognition for its quality of life and as a place to live in national magazines, but we have been surpassed on that list by neighboring communities. You would think that might be a wake call to most, but obvisously not everyone is openminded enough to consider that.

If you are one of those who are happy that your regional sanitation rates are going to triple over the next few years, while the landowners S50 aren't paying more for their impacts, I guess that is your right. If you want to ignore that the City of Folsom is only funding about 57% of its obligated pension costs with no plan how to make up the shortfall and be in denial on how that is going to affect our future services, that too is your right. There were plenty of people who live in Vallejo who were saying the same thing you are saying a few years ago.

Steve, reading what you are saying, you must know how the cost for building all the infrastructure for the water is going to get paid for S50 or like the rest of us you'd be concerend about the impacts on those of us N50. Maybe you could share with us how that is going get taken care without our quality of life being reduced?

We are facing some serious issues that need legitimate solutions. Most of us are waiting to hear what these are BEFORE we keep going blinldy forward with out asking questions, because we've seen what happens when these issues are papered over or pooh poohed like its nothing.

Sometimes I think your goal in life is to find a reason to argue with me. Maybe I'm just paranoid.

You can keep your dim view Realtors, public servants, city employees and people with opinions which differ from yours.

I'll stand by my statement that Folsom (and El Dorado Hills) are great places to live, despite any flaws real or imagined, today or rumored for the future.

That's all the time I have right now. I'm on my way to show a house in El Dorado Hills to a family who is very anxious to buy a home, despite all the gloom and doom.

[MikeinFolsom]

I agree Steve.....filter them out.....let them rant.....and move on. They need people to feed off them and give them an audience. Sad. BTW......that isn't aimed at anyone in particular.

[asbestoshills]

Wow, you really proved The Dude correct, didn't ya ?

I don't know about that, but what are you his bodyguard? If you read the post, you would see that I was talking about the future of Folsom, not what it is now. I said if the 50 development expands you will see neighborhoods with major issues b/c of the cheap housing that is on its way.
If you don't think building thousands of cookie cutter homes off of 50 won't turn Folsom for the worst, you are sadly mistaken. We will keep our home for a rental, but I won't live here in a few years. I can't imagine making money on our home if we sold in the next few years, esp. if there are thousands of new homes for half or 3/4 the price. In EDHs and Folsom you can get 3500 sq feet for about $450,000. These houses went for 700-750 before the crash. So you can imagine a new builder coming in and selling these houses for $350 and you won't have a chance in hell to sell your house for a profit. While millions have ruined their credit with foreclosures and short sales, millions are just entering the housing market and they are quite fortunate. Cheap interest rates and big homes for next to nothing comparatively is a good thing for the 20-30 somethings.

[old soldier]

I don't know about that, but what are you his bodyguard? If you read the post, you would see that I was talking about the future of Folsom, not what it is now. I said if the 50 development expands you will see neighborhoods with major issues b/c of the cheap housing that is on its way.
If you don't think building thousands of cookie cutter homes off of 50 won't turn Folsom for the worst, you are sadly mistaken. We will keep our home for a rental, but I won't live here in a few years. I can't imagine making money on our home if we sold in the next few years, esp. if there are thousands of new homes for half or 3/4 the price. In EDHs and Folsom you can get 3500 sq feet for about $450,000. These houses went for 700-750 before the crash. So you can imagine a new builder coming in and selling these houses for $350 and you won't have a chance in hell to sell your house for a profit. While millions have ruined their credit with foreclosures and short sales, millions are just entering the housing market and they are quite fortunate. Cheap interest rates and big homes for next to nothing comparatively is a good thing for the 20-30 somethings.

yea a good deal for the 20-30 group if they have jobs or want to work...welfare is cool but not for big house payments. old soldier has watched this s50 for years and now when the building is on the horizom he can see no reason for ever going over to s50. it will be another world over there, we might name it south folsom, other than the city needs to tax us n50 folks to pay for things.

I agree with steve that folsom is a great place to live, and also think EDH folks might be uppety, but when I drive around up there see the big houses on small lots, the ccr's and homeowner expense and I think they are on PGE with their higher rates. the other thing is I get home quicker from downtown and get a warm cudly feeling when I pull off 50 for folsom and see the line of cars poking along up 50

life is good with only f five minute drive to get to winco, costco, and trader joes...

[Robert Giacometti]

Sometimes I think your goal in life is to find a reason to argue with me. Maybe I'm just paranoid.

You can keep your dim view Realtors, public servants, city employees and people with opinions which differ from yours.

I'll stand by my statement that Folsom (and El Dorado Hills) are great places to live, despite any flaws real or imagined, today or rumored for the future.

That's all the time I have right now. I'm on my way to show a house in El Dorado Hills to a family who is very anxious to buy a home, despite all the gloom and doom.

I have a real passion for my community and preserving the quality of life we have. I'm proud of my activities and committment to community service during the 22 years I've been in Folsom. Unfortunatley, I've seen our quality of life decline these past years and it troubles me greatly!

It is an undeniable fact that Folsom was listed in a national magazine as a desirable place to live a few years back and NOW we are no longer listed. This should be a huge red flag to all of us as to what do these people see that most of us don't?

There seems to be more violent crime, traffic is worse and our utility costs have increased substantially at higher rates than the cost of inflation. Putting on our thinking caps, I question How are we going to be able to continue our existing quality of life facing the issues we are facing. Currently we are funding only about 57% of the pension obligations, we haven't heard any explanation on how the cost for the water infrastructure for S50 is going to get paid and the city council recently approved cuts to after school programs and an increase of fees to youth sports. These actions will affect more of at risk youth in the community, than anyone else. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that having more at risk youths be priced out of programs, will lead to more problems.

When I look back at other communities that were desirable in the late 60's or 70's and see them today, they aren't the place I'd choose to live or take my date, I don't want that to happen to my community! These changes don't hapen over night. Instead they happen over time with a collective eroding away of standards, that we are seeing occuring now in Folsom.

Please don't feel special, because if you or ANYONE is going to dismiss any of the legitimate issues that are raised or share inaccurate information, I'm going to speak out and ask question of WHOEVER is doing this.

It seems your response to my asking you questions is to personally attack me with innuendos, instead of answering my questions? Rest assured, I'm going to stay on the curb and stick to the issues instead of turning this into some sort of personal innuendo between us. I try to do the same with everyone.

S50 is definitely ALREADY affecting our quality of life in Folsom. We subsidized most of the planning costs and exhausted a significant portion of our reserves in doing so, we are using general fund money to defend another lawsuit so that the landowners don't have to build affordable housing in their development. ( In additon we are dumping more and more affordable housing into the HD and history shows us what these projects look like in 30 years)

You are entitled to your opinion and when you express it, I'm entitled to challenge your logic as to why you arrived at your beliefs. You have the same right to do this with mine. Unfortunately, you haven't done that. Instead you have made innuendos about me personally, that are innaccurate.

I'm going to take the high road and NOT go there with you or anyone!

[Robert Giacometti]

I don't know about that, but what are you his bodyguard? If you read the post, you would see that I was talking about the future of Folsom, not what it is now. I said if the 50 development expands you will see neighborhoods with major issues b/c of the cheap housing that is on its way.
If you don't think building thousands of cookie cutter homes off of 50 won't turn Folsom for the worst, you are sadly mistaken. We will keep our home for a rental, but I won't live here in a few years. I can't imagine making money on our home if we sold in the next few years, esp. if there are thousands of new homes for half or 3/4 the price. In EDHs and Folsom you can get 3500 sq feet for about $450,000. These houses went for 700-750 before the crash. So you can imagine a new builder coming in and selling these houses for $350 and you won't have a chance in hell to sell your house for a profit. While millions have ruined their credit with foreclosures and short sales, millions are just entering the housing market and they are quite fortunate. Cheap interest rates and big homes for next to nothing comparatively is a good thing for the 20-30 somethings.

You may not write with the most politically correct verbose on the forum, but I appreciate the fact you understand the big picture regarding the future of our community!

[gbfolsom]

This may be getting slightly off topic, but there sure seems to be an awful lot of growth/building South of 50 in El Dorado Hills. Every time I make a trip to wine country up Latrobe there are more and more houses and retail businesses popping up. Aren't there any of the same concerns with that population growth? Just wondering....

[asbestoshills]

No concerns, b/c it's a high income area and the rift raft can't move in I'm guessing.

[Pony]

It wasn't that long ago, Folsom was getting recognition for its quality of life and as a place to live in national magazines, but we have been surpassed on that list by neighboring communities.

CNNMoney Best place to live 2006:
Folsom, CA
Top 100 rank: 34

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2006/snapshots/PL0624638.html

[Jlwmills]

I think N. Parkway drive was deemed low income housing way back when. Also, it's the Folsom way to be envious of your next door neighbor. Everyone needs to know what their neighbors make. How much is in the bank. How they afford a boat. What car they drive. If you think Folsom isn't this way, gimme a pair of your blinders. Everyone in this city keeps up with the Jones'. "I don't have it/get it.....why should you". - anonymous Folsomite ....circa ....everyday.

I live there and it was not low income housing, it was medium density housing- if houses that sold for 400K+ are considered low income housing, then I am apparently poor at not cracking the 200k/year mark and living in a measly home. This area just happened to be the last frontier in the Parkway and it was burned by the economic collapse (keep in mind this was the single largest $ land transaction in Folsom history at the time). As a matter of fact, I have had to bust my butt to ensure that the place didn't fall apart (because the Parkway wouldn't do anything). We fought to make sure low income housing did not get put on the table and now you can see building again with single family homes only.