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[Steve Heard]

Would it really matter?

Steve, when I was a teen my friends and I would come here from Fair Oaks to go swimming and get some ice cream afterwards from Snooks, when they were closer to the river. It was an outing that we looked forward to every summer.

I don't think it's unusual for people to come to Folsom from other areas for the attractions we have, and we have many.

Bottom line, just as with any town that has the attractions Folsom does, it brings the good and the bad. No getting around it!

Most criminals won't rob in their own neighborhood because they would risk being spotted by people who see them often at stores and other places around where they live.

It's just natural that a criminal would go where they could find the biggest booty and not be recognized by the locals.....mostly the cops.

Keep in mind that our Folsom police force KNOWS our local criminals and they are the first to be looked at by the Folsom cops when a crime is committed. Why on earth would a local criminal commit a crime in their own back yard?

Folsom has been a target for crime from people outside our area as long as I have known Folsom existed. WE are the hub of a lot of Sacramento's recreation.

We may as well get used to it and apply some safety measures and common sense....like locking our doors, cars and everything else.

No, it wouldn't matter to me, but many seem to believe that crime in Folsom comes from outsiders. It's a common thread on this forum.

As you noted, Folsom cops know local criminals. That's because the local criminals commit local crimes. Criminals go to where the opportunity is. What makes a dangerous neighborhood? Crime. The crimes committed in the bad neighborhood are most often committed by locals. Same with the good neighborhoods. I can't tell you how many times home and auto burglaries have ended up being local teens or meth-heads.

I know there are plenty of bad guys who can come to town to commit crimes, and some do, but many folks constantly blame outsiders, when as you said yourself it shouldn't matter where they come from.

As I've mentioned before, I went to a lecture some years ago on Folsom history, and one of the speakers was a guy about 90 years old, who was at one time the mayor. He said that Folsomites have always been afraid of outsiders.

He recalled that in 1947 when the Folsom Dam was in the planning stages, citizens expressed concern that the construction workers would bring an increase in crime. He said the same thing happened when plans to bring Intel to town were revealed in the 80's.

I don't get it.

[caligirlz]

no guns around children, ever, period.. AND if you do have guns and children in the house - use a trigger lock, always!

but guns are extremely dangerous and I always take them very seriously 24/7, as should everyone.

I disagree with your statement "guns are extremely dangerous"...that excuse is so common amongst the anti-gun crowd who want to take away our 2nd ammendment rights. As if the gun could stand up & shoot all on it's own. A gun is an object. It only becomes dangerous when someone picks it up who has no "gun knowledge no-how", common sense OR malicious intent.

My dad taught me proper gun etiquette when I was a youngester, wayyy before I became a teen. I don't even remember where the gun was stored, only that it was kept in the case, and only my dad had access. I never had a desire to look for it, or use it when I wasn't with him. It was one of those activities I did with my dad. He taught me how to care for it (& everything associated with use of a gun) and we used to go for shooting practice at the local range.

And trigger locks weren't even in use in the 60's when I was growing up. People actually practiced self-responsibility without relying on governmental nanny-state controls.

I do agree that guns need to be taken seriously, but especially the PEOPLE need to be serious, knowledgable, use (real old fashioned) common sense and practice gun safety.

I was shooting before I was a teen.

My children are shooting and have a few years to go to become teens.

Rule#1 Don't talk about owning guns to your friends.
Rule#2 Don't talk about owning guns to your teachers.
Rule#3 Don't ever mention guns at school.
Rule#4 Don't ever forget rules 1 through 3.
Violating the above rules can get you expelled from school.

Now let's talk about Gun Safety, ...

I agree with you Harold. You missed a rule though.....
Rule#5 Don't talk to your doctor about owning guns

Ya know...I just love the sound of a good ole pump shotgun..perfect for scaring off thieves.

[Redone]

If we use the thought process Sacramento almost tried with ambulance billing, we should be billing Kevin Johnson and his compadres for all the Sacramento based criminal activity we've had recently.

FPD could get the proceeds.

[jafount]

When second count, the police are only minutes away.

Trigger locks suck. They take too long...where's the key.

Mount a couple of these in your house in strategic locations and you're better protected AND responsible:



Keep your face out of the stupid cell phone and pay attention to things that matter around you and you can probably save yourself from being a victim.

[Harold]

OK, I gotta ask.... why would gun ownership ever come up in a conversation with a doc and why would it be a problem? (just curious)

It usually crops up on questionaires for parents when taking their kids in to see the doctor.

[caligirlz]

Hahah you're saying this to a card carrying member of the NRA who owns numerous guns, too funny....

OK, I gotta ask.... why would gun ownership ever come up in a conversation with a doc and why would it be a problem? (just curious)

Never would have known you were a "card carrying member of the NRA who owns numerous guns" based on your comments. Good decoy!

It usually crops up on questionaires for parents when taking their kids in to see the doctor.

Exactly! And once a child reaches the age of 11/12, mom & dad are no longer allowed to participate in answering the quetionaire or dicussing the same.

I see ER records all the time in which it is noted IF a patient owns guns. It's a routine question that physicians and hospitals are being required (by government, accreditating agencies & payors) to ask. Data gathering occurs at multiple entry points. I did see an article recently in which many physicians are rebelling against this type of discussion, especially if there is no gun related injury that has occurred.

[jafount]

It usually crops up on questionaires for parents when taking their kids in to see the doctor.

Yes. When I was still working the streets--and the pediatrician knew what I do for a living--I was asked this question. I looked at her as if she had lobsters crawling out of her face and said...."uhhh...yeah". She then began lecturing me on firearms safety and children and how I should consider leaving it at work. I told her I wouldn't tell her how to take a kids temperature, if she wouldn't tell me where to store my gun that I wear every day. Discussion was over at that point. I got a new pediatrician.

[ducky]

It usually crops up on questionaires for parents when taking their kids in to see the doctor.

I left it blank and I believe Kaiser had another question or two that I also felt was none of their concern. The doctor never asked about the blanks or "NOYB" answers.

[caligirlz]

I left it blank and I believe Kaiser had another question or two that I also felt was none of their concern. The doctor never asked about the blanks or "NOYB" answers.

If the physician did not ask you about a blank then he was not properly using the form.

These forms were originally rolled out to those patients recieving (& provider treating) fed or state aide (SCHIP, CHDP, Medi-Cal, Healthy Families), and the providers are REQUIRED to use them properly. They are audited to do so, and can receive bonuses if they do so.

Because the form is so cumbersome, is payor-specific and slows down the process of getting a patient in & out the door (some providers actually like them) many providers & medical systems choose to roll them out across the board to ALL patients.

[ducky]

If the physician did not ask you about a blank then he was not properly using the form.

These forms were originally rolled out to those patients recieving (& provider treating) fed or state aide (SCHIP, CHDP, Medi-Cal, Healthy Families), and the providers are REQUIRED to use them properly. They are audited to do so, and can receive bonuses if they do so.

Because the form is so cumbersome, is payor-specific and slows down the process of getting a patient in & out the door (some providers actually like them) many providers & medical systems choose to roll them out across the board to ALL patients.

I'm not sure what you are saying, but we fall under none of those programs you listed and never have. We've always paid for our own health insurance. I don't really care who decided they need that information or what "they" decide is required. If it doesn't relate to the reason for the visit, they don't need to know it. Reminds me of the school that had the question of how a child was delivered at birth on their school enrollment forms.

[caligirlz]

many providers & medical systems choose to roll them out across the board to ALL patients.

regardless of insurance coverage (type of payer).

I'm not sure what you are saying, but we fall under none of those programs you listed and never have. We've always paid for our own health insurance. I don't really care who decided they need that information or what "they" decide is required. If it doesn't relate to the reason for the visit, they don't need to know it. Reminds me of the school that had the question of how a child was delivered at birth on their school enrollment forms.

I believe that Kaiser is one of the healthcare systems that choose to implement those forms system-wide (all payors, including cash), and not just to the payor programs I mentioned.

It's very likely that your doctor choose not to ask questions. Maybe he/she doesn't believe in the value of the form. Or didn't have time to follow up in his alloted 7-15 minutes with you. On the otherhand, there are many doctors who value it as the screening tool it was meant to be.

I used to work sort of as a subcontractor to the state, for a private company, and taught providers how to use the forms, and audit them on their use. Yep, those were the days....kinda like the fly on the wall.

I don't agree with "them" (the village/ nanny state) thinking they know what's best for me either.