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#1 Steve Heard

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 02:20 PM

The Folsom City Council unanimously voted to see Sacramento County over the planned expansion of Mather Airport.

 

If the plan goes through, Mather would become a major hub for cargo carriers, and there is concern over flyover noise.

 

“If the master plan proceeds as planned and Mather is converted to a significant cargo hub, the impacts on the residents of Folsom will be significant into perpetuity, and that is unacceptable,” Folsom Mayor Kerri Howell said.

 

The county Board of Supervisors last month voted for a master plan calling for $107 million in improvements to the airport. Airport officials say the improvements are needed to bring the former U.S. Air Force base up to current standards.

 

Supervisors voted 3-1 in favor of the plan and related environmental documents. Supervisor Roberta MacGlashan, who represents Folsom, was opposed. Supervisor Susan Peters abstained because she owns property next to the airport.

 

Howell’s statement and a previous letter from the City Attorney’s Office indicate that the city will challenge the county under the California Environmental Quality Act. The city has accused the county of not making necessary legal findings before approving environmental documents for the Mather expansion.

 

County spokesman Chris Andis said it is against county policy to speak about pending lawsuits.

The lawsuit will mark the second time Folsom has sued the county over Mather operations. Folsom challenged an earlier Mather expansion in 2007.

 

“If the master plan proceeds as planned and Mather is converted to a significant cargo hub, the impacts on the residents of Folsom will be significant into perpetuity, and that is unacceptable,” Folsom Mayor Kerri Howell said

 

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:49 PM

Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with projected property values south of 50?


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 07:37 PM

Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with projected property values south of 50?

 

You would think the value of houses would be lower if the planes are flying over early morning, during the day and into the evening.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 08:05 PM

 

You would think the value of houses would be lower if the planes are flying over early morning, during the day and into the evening.

And hence the sudden keen interest by the city to sue.....



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 08:53 PM

And hence the sudden keen interest by the city to sue.....

 

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 08:58 PM

Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with projected property values south of 50?

 

Over 10 years ago when I worked at Steve Miklos' office, people would come in and call in to complain about the noise of planes flying over.

 

Those were real complaints from residents.

 

I don't know the details of it, but apparently there was some regulation or agreement that planes wouldn't approach over Folsom.

 

Having said that, yes, noise can affect home values. Don't we want our home values protected? Don't we want the city to do what it can to protect those values?

 

I'm sure that residents south of 50 would have the same concerns as those of us on the north side.


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 09:28 PM

These types of first world problems are usually the most entertaining to watch unfold.



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Posted 17 September 2014 - 09:57 PM

Well if people build south of 50 I am sure they will know about the planes flying over them. If they

buy knowing that, so be it.


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 06:13 AM

I think the mayor explained the issue perfectly.  concise and on target.  all of us listening to the fire fighting planes fly over all day are getting a  preview of what that kind of air traffic would be like.  I'm all for it in a fire fight, but I sure don't want to hear that for the rest of my life so people can get their amazon deliveries.


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 08:37 AM

This is a political ploy by Howell to save her seat. To swing the residents to her side and stop those big bad planes from making noise. Anyone in the know will tell you air cargo is dead. There is not going to be any huge expansion. Shippers and end users are not willing to pay higher prices to get their product tomorrow. FedEx and UPS are having a real tough time selling their premium overnight air services. FedEx is spending hundreds of millions upgrading their ground network. That's where the growth is...on the ground, not in the air. Will there still be air cargo? of course. Will Mather turn into a huge regional air cargo hub? Not in our lifetime. Once this election is over this subject will go quietly away. 



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 08:49 AM

This is a political ploy by Howell to save her seat. To swing the residents to her side and stop those big bad planes from making noise. Anyone in the know will tell you air cargo is dead. There is not going to be any huge expansion. Shippers and end users are not willing to pay higher prices to get their product tomorrow. FedEx and UPS are having a real tough time selling their premium overnight air services. FedEx is spending hundreds of millions upgrading their ground network. That's where the growth is...on the ground, not in the air. Will there still be air cargo? of course. Will Mather turn into a huge regional air cargo hub? Not in our lifetime. Once this election is over this subject will go quietly away. 

 

I know that we've come to suspect the timing of moves made by politicians, but I don't think this is an election ploy. The council unanimously voted to sue, and this includes Ernie Sheldon, who has already said he won't be running again. Also, the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors made their own announcement that they too are suing.

 

This is actually the second time the city has sued over this, having previously done it 7 years ago, which was not an election year. 

 

The world has become so cynical, which is sad, but often with good reason.

 

It's funny that some have suggested the move was made for votes, and others have suggested it's to sell houses South of 50.

 

Can't it be as a response to expansion plans by Mather Field?


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:10 AM

 

I know that we've come to suspect the timing of moves made by politicians, but I don't think this is an election ploy. The council unanimously voted to sue, and this includes Ernie Sheldon, who has already said he won't be running again. Also, the El Dorado County Board of Supervisors made their own announcement that they too are suing.

 

This is actually the second time the city has sued over this, having previously done it 7 years ago, which was not an election year. 

 

The world has become so cynical, which is sad, but often with good reason.

 

It's funny that some have suggested the move was made for votes, and others have suggested it's to sell houses South of 50.

 

Can't it be as a response to expansion plans by Mather Field?

The problem is there are no expansion plans. The revenue isn't there to support expansion. There is not going to be an explosion of cargo planes out there, because that market is shrinking. MHR is losing money year over year. Its all a non story. I know sac county was trying to put in Cat 3 so planes could land in bad weather or fog. What a waste of money. FedEx has HUD in their planes and doesn't need cat 3 anymore. I am sure most modern day carriers do also. To me there is something more to this story that hasn't been told. MHR doesn't have the money for expansion and the volume isn't there to support it. If anything we should be mad that Sac County wants to spend money it doesn't have on a upgrading a resource that will not produce. 



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 09:47 AM

I may be on the unpopular side, but I think using Mather as the region's cargo hub makes sense.  With Sac International much more likely to be fogged in than Mather, why not let the planes go where that would be less of a problem.  I live in Natoma Station and don't see any problem with the planes flying over.  They are normally very quiet since they are landing.  I also love watching the plain fly over.



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 10:52 AM

Flight path is not anywhere near Natoma Station.  I lived there for 10 years and planes all fly well to the South of there.  Go onto Google earth and draw a straight line from the Mather runway and you will see what part of Folsom is affected by incoming flights.  Its mostly the East side of Folsom near the area of the Palladio.

 

Parcel service is growing at a good rate despite whats being stated here.  Big box stores are hurting and online sales are growing year over year so of course parcel service is going to follow.  UPS just announced they are planning to hire nearly 100K holiday workforce which tells you something



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Posted 18 September 2014 - 12:42 PM

 

 

Parcel service is growing at a good rate despite whats being stated here.  Big box stores are hurting and online sales are growing year over year so of course parcel service is going to follow.  UPS just announced they are planning to hire nearly 100K holiday workforce which tells you something

Exactly.....For GROUND....Not air. Thats why shipping is cheap or free. It is not being flown. The FedEx GROUND division is at full capacity. They are rapidly expanding it to handle the ever increasing volume. The dispute is not about delivery companies shrinking, but the method in which they move their freight. That is what is being stated here. Trucking freight can now be done over much larger areas in faster transit times for much cheaper than what you can put a bird in the air for. Customers have spoken loud and clear that they would rather have it cheaper than faster. The FedEx flight leaves every night from SMF at 7:10pm. Do you want to venture a guess what the percentage is on the flight of US postal freight vs the freight FedEx is carrying for their other customers?






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