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#61 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 12:25 PM

QUOTE(Terry @ Jul 11 2006, 01:10 PM) View Post

I would expect to see several of the posters here to be on the ballot for the fall's election for vacant City Council seats since there seem to be so many interested in really making changes and making their voices heard.


I disagree.... one doesn't have to be on the ballot to work to make changes.

If you look at the Folsom's history regarding city council elections, I can only recall once where an incumbant did NOT win relection. During that election there were only a couple of candidates in the race at the time.

If everybody who is unhappy or those who want change throw their hat into the city council race....all you are doing is guaranteeing that those you want to be removed....will be relected by the most votes...but without a majority.

The first step is to truly find out who on the council is telling the truth and who is misleading the public, then unite around those that are being forthright with the residents. None of us will ever agree with everyone anyway... so we might as well support someone who we believe in and is telling us the truth!



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Posted 11 July 2006 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE(Robert Giacometti @ Jul 11 2006, 01:25 PM) View Post

I disagree.... one doesn't have to be on the ballot to work to make changes.

If you look at the Folsom's history regarding city council elections, I can only recall once where an incumbant did NOT win relection. During that election there were only a couple of candidates in the race at the time.

If everybody who is unhappy or those who want change throw their hat into the city council race....all you are doing is guaranteeing that those you want to be removed....will be relected by the most votes...but without a majority.

The first step is to truly find out who on the council is telling the truth and who is misleading the public, then unite around those that are being forthright with the residents. None of us will ever agree with everyone anyway... so we might as well support someone who we believe in and is telling us the truth!


I certainly didn't intent for EVERYONE to file to run for office, but come on, there should be a few (including yourself) who would be willing to give up your free time, get bashed on a weekly if not daily basis for decisions you are thought to have made) and then be blamed for everything that's wrong with Folsom, and then ultimately never be allowed to do anything for pay for the City of Folsom forever after. Any takers?


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Posted 11 July 2006 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE(Terry @ Jul 11 2006, 05:55 PM) View Post

and then ultimately never be allowed to do anything for pay for the City of Folsom forever after.



Terry,

You’re kidding. Right? You have been around long enough to know better. You do not have to work FOR the City afterward to profit from having been a Council Member. Obviously most (the ethical ones) do not, but some have, and in a very unseemly manner.

Bob Holderness? Marilyn Gautschi? Post Council service has been very profitable for both. I have no problem with either of them (Holderness as land use attorney to the land speculators south of 50 and Gautschi to real estate investors), as this was there profession before, during and after their runs as Council members. However, what is of concern is their continued (in my opinion extremely unethical) manipulation of issues in this City to their own financial gain at the expense of the rest of us.

Yes, I have MANY examples and Terry, you know of all of them and more. So I assume you were just trying to be amusing.

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Posted 11 July 2006 - 10:12 PM

QUOTE(Bob @ Jul 11 2006, 10:00 PM) View Post

Terry,

You’re kidding. Right? You have been around long enough to know better. You do not have to work FOR the City afterward to profit from having been a Council Member. Obviously most (the ethical ones) do not, but some have, and in a very unseemly manner.

Bob Holderness? Marilyn Gautschi? Post Council service has been very profitable for both. I have no problem with either of them (Holderness as land use attorney to the land speculators south of 50 and Gautschi to real estate investors), as this was there profession before, during and after their runs as Council members. However, what is of concern is their continued (in my opinion extremely unethical) manipulation of issues in this City to their own financial gain at the expense of the rest of us.

Yes, I have MANY examples and Terry, you know of all of them and more. So I assume you were just trying to be amusing.

Bob


I suppose it's "manipulation of issues in this city" from your veiwpoint, but if it was your profession, it would just be the business of doing business. And no I wasn't trying to be amusing.


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Posted 12 July 2006 - 09:16 PM

QUOTE(tallon @ Jul 10 2006, 10:02 PM) View Post

That's funny. After reading your post I remembered an email I sent to the Mayor and the city council

This was sent to city council members and the mayor on may 16, 2005.


Oh then the petition the council received from staff in June cannot have come as a complete surprise to them.


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Posted 12 July 2006 - 09:39 PM

If anyone feels that they would like me to forward the email to them I would be happy. It is exactly what you read, but just in case anyone feels they need a copy of their own. I also propose to Daveman that he contact who sent an email to Kerri Howell and suggest they do the same, or at least post the email so the rest of us may read it. Just message me your email (I wont spam, and I will send it on to you).

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE(tallon @ Jul 12 2006, 10:39 PM) View Post

If anyone feels that they would like me to forward the email to them I would be happy. It is exactly what you read, but just in case anyone feels they need a copy of their own. I also propose to Daveman that he contact who sent an email to Kerri Howell and suggest they do the same, or at least post the email so the rest of us may read it. Just message me your email (I wont spam, and I will send it on to you).


I spoke with my friend who sent the letter and they sent me a copy. I have edited phone numbers and some other information due to confidentiality reasons, but the majority of the text is still intact. It is rather interesting. (Read from the bottom up).

Ms. Howell:

I understand your position and that you cannot get
involved a great deal. One of the main concerns is
simply the ability of the management. One of the
letters even mentions that Diane Knight needs
management classes to be an effective leader, this is
a trait that should already exist, she is not a
manager in training. Evert Palmer lacks a Library
Science Degree and "listens to staff to guide his
decisions" which means he truly is not fit to be that
in charge of the library. The September 8th 2003
Library Commission meeting introduced him as being in
charge of the administrative functions and Diane
Knight as the operations manager. If that is the case
then should she not run these weekly meetings instead
of the Administrator whom needs to listen to his
employees for direction, yet only takes what he likes
an fill in the rest.

These weekly meetings have become a farce. Evert
Palmer will not recognize that management does not
communicate. In an email to employees Evert Palmer
informed employees that they must respond to his
emails, when the staff pointed out that this is
ridiculous to respond to all emails, many staff
members received varying responses. Some received a
response that only the emails that require a response
should be responded to, while others were told that
the future would tell which ones they needed to
respond to and that they must comply with this
directive. It was then decided in the meeting that
only emails with a need for a response be responded to
(which after all is how email works). This is just an
example of the runaround that employees feel that they
are getting from Evert Palmer.

Many have pondered why the Library is under the
Administrative Service Department instead of being its
own department. When looking into the budget though,
all departments under Administrative Services are also
under its budget, the Library is separate. This would
make one assume that the Library is indeed a separate
entity that needs to be under its own departments.
(There is also only one other indication that the
library is under Evert Palmer, the link off to the
left side of Administrative Services web page).
Furthermore, Administrative Services function to
support the inner workings of the cities departments,
however, the Library more resembles Parks and
Recreation. If one were to look at the mission
statements of the two departments one rings true with
the library.

The employees find it hard to watch Diane Knight
follow the lead of Evert Palmer whom has little
experience with libraries (he has admitted that he has
no schooling in Library Science). Evert Palmer who
states that he was the liaison from the library to the
city starting in around 1999 when I believe Mr. Price
was the Library Director at the time. At this time
also, Evert Palmer was, as far as I know, not the
Director of Administrative services. From my
understanding he worked in the IT department and was
the IT person that helped the library. If my
information is correct it was not until 2003 that
Evert Palmer actually was involved in the Library,
which was due to Mr. Price resigning. The staff also
does not understand why the City never went forth and
tried to hire a Library Director but put the library
under the Administrative Services Department.

I am staying anonymous so as to protect myself (yes,
__________ is a made up name, but only to protect
myself). I hope that this is alright with you. I
chose to speak with you as after seeing you on the
council I see that you are one of the more
opened-minded council members, and having no one to
turn to I needed someone that may be able to provide
advice.

--- "Kerri M. Howell"
wrote:

> Dear __________,
>
> I understand that the Library Staff is not happy.
> Are there any specific
> complaints that have been forwarded to Evert that
> have not been acted upon?
> Have any of the Staff attempted to speak with the
> City Manager? I would be
> happy to talk to you on the phone, if you like, you
> can call me at home
> _________ in the evening or on my cell phone
> ________. However, it is
> important to keep in mind that the City Council has
> responsibility for the
> City Manager, and she has responsibility for all the
> remaining City Staff,
> though I would be happy to give you some feedback, I
> will be cautious not to
> step over the line for what is and is not
> appropriate for Council Members to
> get involved with.
>
> Kerri Howell
> >
>
> > Ms. Howell,
> >
> > Are you or any of the others on the City council
> aware
> > that there is major problems going on with the
> > management of the Folsom Public Library? Evert
> Palmer
> > was given 13 letters from 13 staff members that
> > detailed problems that they had with the current
> > management. The major issues were managements
> lack of
> > communication, managements lack of education
> (Evert
> > Palmer who is mostly overseeing the library while
> the
> > Library Manager, Diane Knight sits to the
> sidelines,
> > has no Library Science degree yet pretends he
> > understands libraries). Meetings are now held
> once a
> > week yet staff is becoming more frustrated. Evert
> > Palmer continues to say that the issues are
> "normal"
> > yet from the staff point of view they are not.
> >
> > Thank you

That email was dated January 3rd 2006.


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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:18 AM

QUOTE(daveman @ Jul 13 2006, 10:11 AM) View Post


One of the main concerns is simply the ability of the management..."listens to staff to guide his
decisions"..."These weekly meetings have become a farce...."Many have pondered why the Library is under the Administrative Service Department instead of being its own department."

That email was dated January 3rd 2006.


Seems like these statements could be true of other city entities than just the Library. Certainly the Arts and Cultural Commission fits a similar pattern. Compared with cities of comparable size and character, arts and culture enjoy a much larger share of the money and support. Small towns in Montana.

If the concerns mentioned in the email are true for other departments, the overwhelming question is, "Why not provide the highest quality possible in those who lead our city?"

I'm going to throw out my favorite conspiracy theory: if ya want ta hold on ta da money, ya gotta be schmatta dan da competition.

Of course, eliminating the competition, is the best approach.

It's just a theory, but the same complaints keep poppin' up over and over.

What to do, what to do? Yikes. sad.gif

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 07:19 PM

Heard that channel 3 news at 11:00....may be doing an investigative report tonight about the Fireman's concerns.

Might be interesting to watch!

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 10:38 PM

QUOTE(Robert Giacometti @ Aug 2 2006, 08:19 PM) View Post

Heard that channel 3 news at 11:00....may be doing an investigative report tonight about the Fireman's concerns.

Might be interesting to watch!



Watched it and.......WOW!!!!!

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 06:50 AM

I tried to watch but fell asleep before the news came on. What did the story say?

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Posted 03 August 2006 - 08:32 AM

FYI:::


http://cms.firehouse...mp;sectionId=46


Also what the Deputy Fire Chief makes in Folsom

http://dailydispatch...?newstype=jobs
A VETERAN Whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount "up to and including their life". That is HONOR, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it. -Author unknown-




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