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#1 UncleVinnys

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 06:54 AM

Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program

 

 

https://www.nytimes....harry-reid.html

 

The Defense Department has never before acknowledged the existence of the program, which it says it shut down in 2012. But its backers say that, while the Pentagon ended funding for the effort at that time, the program remains in existence. For the past five years, they say, officials with the program have continued to investigate episodes brought to them by service members, while also carrying out their other Defense Department duties.

 


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:01 PM

Yep, they always have, read that earlier today.  And ever see those infrared films of UFO's going into that volcano, while it was erupting, near Mexico City...?  Check it out below... Chris

 

https://youtu.be/cZdP_49FlIQ


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 02:25 PM

Yep, they always have, read that earlier today.  And ever see those infrared films of UFO's going into that volcano, while it was erupting, near Mexico City...?  Check it out below... Chris

 

https://youtu.be/cZdP_49FlIQ

Most people are so busy keeping their nose to the grind stone, they seldom look up to the sky. I saw a very fast and weird moving object in the sky when I was 10 years old. I never thought too much about it until I was older and then it dawned on me and I realized that the object I saw wasn't supposed to be able to move that way.  Was it ours?  Like a technology hidden by the government?  Or was it from another source? Like another country? Could we be monitored by another intelligence from another planet?  If so, no wonder they won't make contact....would you?  I wouldn't! 



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 05:01 PM

Rose, I saw one when I was about five years old.......   Not wanting to take a nap and I was looking out the window....   Along comes a silver saucer with a gold color top and legs for landing, tucked away under the craft........   Still etched in my mind like it was yesterday....   Never really told anybody until years later, talking with a friend up the street, a good 30 houses away.......   He said he saw the same thing at the same time, years ago just like me but never wanted to bring it up.   People think you are weird when you say you saw what you saw....   I am a believer, someday soon we will all know and it will rock religion, philosophy, God....    Rock your whole world, I mean universe.   Chris


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Posted 19 December 2017 - 11:20 PM

Maybe a little critical thinking would help the "tinfoil hat" folks to stop wondering if Martians are spying on us.  Consider these realities:

 

1)  The entire universe as we know it got its start all at about the same time from the Big Bang.  So, other planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, and space objects are all about the same age, give or take a couple million years.

 

2)  Just based on probability, there are no doubt life forms on other planets in other parts of the universe.  All life forms in the universe are at about the same level of development as we are.

 

3)  We are a long way from having the ability to explore other solar systems and other planets.  It's very likely that other life forms have the same limitations as we do.

 

4)  A couple fundamental laws of physics can't be violated, one being the speed of light.  It's a constant and nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.  In fact, it's difficult to get things to travel at even 1% the speed of light. the fastest travel we can create is the space station orbiting the earth which travels at about 17000 mph, which is 0.0025% the speed of light.

 

5)  It will take 100's or 1000's of years to travel to nearby stars.  At 10% the speed of light, 40 years to the nearest star.  Other life forms will encounter the same limitations.

 

6)  At the same time the universe is expanding at an ever accelerating rate, which means all objects in the universe are getting further from each other.  this will make exploration more difficult with time, despite our technical advances.

 

7)  So, while the probability of life somewhere out there in another part of the universe is infinitely high, the probability of us making contact with them is infinitesimally small.

 

If you've seen the pictures of Earth from the Voyager Probes as they speed away into deep space, you'll realize that we are but an insignificant speck of dust in relation to the schemes of the universe.  We're just not that important, if at all.     



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Posted 20 December 2017 - 10:30 AM

Some ideas and counterpoints to the Who....

 

My imagination is faster than the speed of light........   I can instantly imagine being a 100 light years out of this galaxy and looking back, in an instant.  

 

And, there are way too many instances of some kind of alien craft being seen or people even claiming to have been picked up by them....   Interactions with creatures not of this world.  Therefore, traveling past the speed of light must be possible if you accept the above, or, maybe we can just bypass the distance via worm holes, inter dimensional port holes, doors, windows....?

 

Laws of Physics, as we understand them, may not necessarily be "laws" in other places, dimensions, near black holes, near neutron stars, anti matter....?  Or, maybe some species of alien has found out how to "break the law".   Even the law or concept of "time" might be able to be moved through...?

 

And I don't think all civilizations are at the same level of development, what is the universe, about 10 billion years old....?   We humans are about 3-4 million years into development and really in only the last 50 thousand years or so we got "smart".   If you can call us smart that is...?  Maybe somebody has a billion year jump on us...?

 

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 02:03 PM

Maybe a little critical thinking would help the "tinfoil hat" folks to stop wondering if Martians are spying on us.  Consider these realities:

 

1)  The entire universe as we know it got its start all at about the same time from the Big Bang.  So, other planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, and space objects are all about the same age, give or take a couple million years.

 

2)  Just based on probability, there are no doubt life forms on other planets in other parts of the universe.  All life forms in the universe are at about the same level of development as we are.

 

Um, no. I agree there is probably life elsewhere. However, many galaxies have gone through much of their life cycle before ours was formed (about 4.6 billion years ago). Estimates for the age of the universe vary, but are at least 13 billion years. Remember, "we are made of star stuff." Every element heavier than hydrogen was created in stars..which then died and sluffed off that material (sometimes spectacularly). Point beingeven if your assertion was correct some systems would be a million or two years ahead in development. How far do you think we will evolve in a million years? Let alone the billions that our system is "behind."

 

3)  We are a long way from having the ability to explore other solar systems and other planets.  It's very likely that other life forms have the same limitations as we do.

 

No basis for the claim about others with limitations. (see above)

 

4)  A couple fundamental laws of physics can't be violated, one being the speed of light.  It's a constant and nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.  In fact, it's difficult to get things to travel at even 1% the speed of light. the fastest travel we can create is the space station orbiting the earth which travels at about 17000 mph, which is 0.0025% the speed of light.

 

Clarification. It is possible to travel faster than the speed of light. There are a multitude of theories about how to do so without violating the speed of light "law"  Most involve warping space or creating a bubble of static space-time.  AND, the Juno mission will reach speeds of 25 miles per second (or 90k mph)  There are a few other engines under development that MAY creep into percentage of light speed, but in the big picture, that is meaningless for interstellar.

 

5)  It will take 100's or 1000's of years to travel to nearby stars.  At 10% the speed of light, 40 years to the nearest star.  Other life forms will encounter the same limitations.

 

Again, not necessarily. Physics AS WE UNDERSTAND IT does not allow for that. Other cultures may have figured out more advanced forms of physics.

 

6)  At the same time the universe is expanding at an ever accelerating rate, which means all objects in the universe are getting further from each other.  this will make exploration more difficult with time, despite our technical advances.

 

The expansion is a drop in the bucket once you figure out how to move into another dimension, create a wormhole, warp space, etc.

 

7)  So, while the probability of life somewhere out there in another part of the universe is infinitely high, the probability of us making contact with them is infinitesimally small.

 

If you've seen the pictures of Earth from the Voyager Probes as they speed away into deep space, you'll realize that we are but an insignificant speck of dust in relation to the schemes of the universe.  We're just not that important, if at all.   

 

Most definitely. That's what I love about astronomy...it's a very humbling field of study.


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Posted 20 December 2017 - 02:09 PM

Maybe a little critical thinking would help the "tinfoil hat" folks to stop wondering if Martians are spying on us.  Consider these realities:

 

1)  The entire universe as we know it got its start all at about the same time from the Big Bang.  So, other planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, and space objects are all about the same age, give or take a couple million years.

 

Not True: In the 14 billion years since the Big Bang, trillions of stars have burned out, died, exploded in supernovas, and the debris reform into dust clouds that spawn NEW stars, so we have billions of 2nd, 3rd, 4th-generations stars and galaxies out there.

 

2)  Just based on probability, there are no doubt life forms on other planets in other parts of the universe.  All life forms in the universe are at about the same level of development as we are.

Not True. Just like here on Earth, some cultures develop faster than others.
Guesses are that some galactic civilizations are many light years ahead of us.
(No pun intended.)

 

 

 

3)  We are a long way from having the ability to explore other solar systems and other planets.  It's very likely that other life forms have the same limitations as we do.

Not True. There are already theories about how to bend the space-time continuum which would allow people to, in effect, travel through worm-holes.

 

 

 

4)  A couple fundamental laws of physics can't be violated, one being the speed of light.  It's a constant and nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.  In fact, it's difficult to get things to travel at even 1% the speed of light. the fastest travel we can create is the space station orbiting the earth which travels at about 17000 mph, which is 0.0025% the speed of light.

 

Not True: See all of the above.

 

 

5)  It will take 100's or 1000's of years to travel to nearby stars.  At 10% the speed of light, 40 years to the nearest star.  Other life forms will encounter the same limitations.

Not True: See all of the above.

 

6)  At the same time the universe is expanding at an ever accelerating rate, which means all objects in the universe are getting further from each other.  this will make exploration more difficult with time, despite our technical advances.

 

7)  So, while the probability of life somewhere out there in another part of the universe is infinitely high, the probability of us making contact with them is infinitesimally small.

 

If you've seen the pictures of Earth from the Voyager Probes as they speed away into deep space, you'll realize that we are but an insignificant speck of dust in relation to the schemes of the universe.  We're just not that important, if at all.     


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Posted 20 December 2017 - 02:12 PM

Talk to anyone who has actually seen a UFO, including astronauts, pilots, law enforcement officials.
Try to tell THEM they are crazy for reporting what they have seen.

I believe we are on the brink of a massive quantum leap in consciousness when this thing finally blow open.

 

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 03:15 PM

Despite all the petty counterpoints above (mine included) do you guys realize we are all agreeing on something...?   This is a first...!   We all agree aliens exist....!   Awesome guys, there is hope for us yet.  Chris


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Posted 21 December 2017 - 03:29 PM

 

 

Clarification. It is possible to travel faster than the speed of light. There are a multitude of theories about how to do so without violating the speed of light "law"  Most involve warping space or creating a bubble of static space-time.  AND, the Juno mission will reach speeds of 25 miles per second (or 90k mph)  There are a few other engines under development that MAY creep into percentage of light speed, but in the big picture, that is meaningless for interstellar.

 

 

Perspective - 90k mph = 0.0134% the speed of light.  And it's not possible to get a mass to achieve the speed of light, never mind exceed it.  To accelerate a mass to reach the speed of light, an infinite amount of energy is required (do the math).  And an infinite amount of energy doesn't exist.  some phenomena can exceed the speed of light, but mass cannot.  And the phenomena that can exceed the speed of light can't carry any information, so the effect is useless.



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Posted 21 December 2017 - 04:13 PM

Apparently the aliens have taken more math classes than the rest of us here on Earth.   There is a way, we just don't know it yet....   Might take us another 500 to 1000 years...?  Maybe just 50 to 100....    And I think back to maybe 1000 years ago, people looked across that vast ocean...    They did it, they populated the Pacific Islands, made it to Guam, Hawaii, Easter Island....  The Europeans finally made it to Greenland, and North America....   The Vikings, then Columbus........   We humans, we will find a way, current "math" and facts be damned.....!   Chris


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 08:55 AM

Despite all the petty counterpoints above (mine included) do you guys realize we are all agreeing on something...?   This is a first...!   We all agree aliens exist....!   Awesome guys, there is hope for us yet.  Chris

 

Yep! Merry Christmas!   :drunk2:


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 10:55 AM

Heck, 70 years ago, it was "impossible" to break the sound barrier. 150 years ago heavier than air flight was considered "impossible." Robert Goddard had scathing criticism of his spaceflight rocket idea. Less than 100 years ago, Einstein thought nuclear energy was impossible.

 

Just because we don't know HOW, doesn't mean it can't be done.  Most of the things we ignore as common today would seem like spooky magic just a few hundred years ago. Who knows what the future will bring.

 

And btw, quantum entanglement is nearly  instantaneous over any distance (10,000 times the speed of light). Entangled electrons CAN carry information. so yes, information can travel faster than the speed of light.


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Posted 22 December 2017 - 11:03 PM



Heck, 70 years ago, it was "impossible" to break the sound barrier. 150 years ago heavier than air flight was considered "impossible." Robert Goddard had scathing criticism of his spaceflight rocket idea. Less than 100 years ago, Einstein thought nuclear energy was impossible.

 

Just because we don't know HOW, doesn't mean it can't be done.  Most of the things we ignore as common today would seem like spooky magic just a few hundred years ago. Who knows what the future will bring.

 

And btw, quantum entanglement is nearly  instantaneous over any distance (10,000 times the speed of light). Entangled electrons CAN carry information. so yes, information can travel faster than the speed of light.

 

No information can be transmitted faster than the speed of light:

 

Certain phenomena in quantum mechanics, such as quantum entanglement, might give the superficial impression of allowing communication of information faster than light. According to the no-communication theorem these phenomena do not allow true communication; they only let two observers in different locations see the same system simultaneously, without any way of controlling what either sees. Wavefunction collapse can be viewed as an epiphenomenon of quantum decoherence, which in turn is nothing more than an effect of the underlying local time evolution of the wavefunction of a system and all of its environment. Since the underlying behaviour does not violate local causality or allow FTL it follows that neither does the additional effect of wavefunction collapse, whether real or apparent.

The uncertainty principle implies that individual photons may travel for short distances at speeds somewhat faster (or slower) than c, even in a vacuum; this possibility must be taken into account when enumerating Feynman diagrams for a particle interaction.[30] However, it was shown in 2011 that a single photon may not travel faster than c.[31] In quantum mechanics, virtual particles may travel faster than light, and this phenomenon is related to the fact that static field effects (which are mediated by virtual particles in quantum terms) may travel faster than light (see section on static fields above). However, macroscopically these fluctuations average out, so that photons do travel in straight lines over long (i.e., non-quantum) distances, and they do travel at the speed of light on average. Therefore, this does not imply the possibility of superluminal information transmission.

There have been various reports in the popular press of experiments on faster-than-light transmission in optics — most often in the context of a kind of quantum tunnelling phenomenon. Usually, such reports deal with a phase velocity or group velocity faster than the vacuum velocity of light.[32][33] However, as stated above, a superluminal phase velocity cannot be used for faster-than-light transmission of information.

 

Again, it's impossible to accelerate a mass to the speed of light.  Einstein predicted (and later proved by experiment) that as an object is accelerated, its mass increases, and as the mass increases it takes more energy to accelerate the mass to an even higher velocity.   As the object approaches the speed of light, its mass approaches an infinite value, and to accelerate an infinite mass to actually travel at the speed of light requires an infinite amount of energy.  And an infinite amount of energy doesn't exist, so the object can never achieve the speed of light.  And this effect occurs anywhere in the universe, so other life forms will encounter the same restrictions to interstellar travel that we encounter.  Your alien welcome mat won't be needed in the near, or far, future.

 

One more thought - you all seem to place a tremendous amount of trust in the idea that all this highly theoretical thinking about space travel is fact, reality, demonstrated, and completely true.  On top of that, you certainly don't understand any of it.  But for some unexplainable reason, you don't buy the idea that climate change is caused by human activity, even when the empirical evidence is poking you in the eye.  Humans are indeed irrational.  







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