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#61 iJason

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Posted 11 December 2006 - 09:13 PM

I think the Ravens definitely have a good shot. It seems like every year the Super Bowl champion is a quiet team. The 3 remaining games on their schedule aren't too tough so they should easily be a 1st place team.

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE(Robert Giacometti @ Dec 11 2006, 08:33 AM) View Post
How many 9er fans still think Nolan made the right choice, by kicking the field goal against the Rams instead of going for the first down a few weeks ago?

Up to that point, Nolan had the 9ers playing beyond their abilities and since then, they are playing like one of the poorer teams in the NFL. They had a legitimate shot at a playoff spot IF he goes for the first down and beats the Rams....now they are in line for a top 10 draft pick ( which they truly need on DEFENSE).

Oh well...there is always next year!


Did you see last nights game? Holmgren went for it on 4th and inches and failed to get the first down with the league MVP on the field. The turnover on downs was a major contibuting factor to the Seahawks loss. That's why Nolan elected to kick the field goal against the Rams. It's funny how all of the people who no little about football are still upset that Nolan did not go for it. While coaches, players, and TV analysists all agree that Nolan made the right descision by putting 3 points on the board and asking your D to win the game.

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE(B&G @ Dec 15 2006, 01:27 PM) View Post
Did you see last nights game? Holmgren went for it on 4th and inches and failed to get the first down with the league MVP on the field. The turnover on downs was a major contibuting factor to the Seahawks loss. That's why Nolan elected to kick the field goal against the Rams. It's funny how all of the people who no little about football are still upset that Nolan did not go for it. While coaches, players, and TV analysists all agree that Nolan made the right descision by putting 3 points on the board and asking your D to win the game.


I did see last night's game. The circumstances were very different, however. The 49ers were running allover the Rams, were a few yards shy of the goal line, and only needed an inch.

Had the 49ers failed, the Rams would have had to march the length of the field to win.

The Seahawks were closer to mid field, making their choice riskier. They didn't have their MVP carrying the ball. They used their tank, Mac Strong, who is usually reliable in that situation.

Experts have been split, however, on Nolan's decision, as conventional wisdom says 'take the points', but tone of the game, with the 9ers dominating on the ground, and the momentum the offense had, suggested that they put the nail in the coffin. It also can imply a lack of confidence, an essential element in winning football games.

Wasn't it last weekend when the 9ers did go for it on 4th and 1, and made it? The color guy announced, "That shows confidence in your offense when you make a call like that."

It doesn't matter now, wondering 'what if', but I do like a coach who takes a chance (unless, of course, he fails, in which case I call him an idiot).

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#64 DrKoz23

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Dec 15 2006, 02:00 PM) View Post
Had the 49ers failed, the Rams would have had to march the length of the field to win.


Not true. The Rams would have only needed a field goal to win. Wilkins is rather good from long distances... so if they could have gotten to the SF 35 it might have been good enough.


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Posted 15 December 2006 - 02:53 PM

How do the 49ers beat the Seahawks but lose to the Packers. I don't understand this team.

#66 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 04:16 PM

QUOTE(B&G @ Dec 15 2006, 01:27 PM) View Post
Did you see last nights game? Holmgren went for it on 4th and inches and failed to get the first down with the league MVP on the field. The turnover on downs was a major contibuting factor to the Seahawks loss. That's why Nolan elected to kick the field goal against the Rams. It's funny how all of the people who no little about football are still upset that Nolan did not go for it. While coaches, players, and TV analysists all agree that Nolan made the right descision by putting 3 points on the board and asking your D to win the game.


I didn't see last nights game so I don't know the circumstances.

I was watching Rams game and Nolan kicked the field goal instead of going for it and the 9ers lost the game. It really doesn't matter who is saying what....the one thing we all know is the 9ers LOST! I always thought you played the game to win. We all know the old saying about opinon's.....but that doesn't change the fact the 9ers LOST.

IF the 9ers stop the Rams after the field goal, then Nolan made the right choice. The 9ers didn't stop them so he made the wrong choice, its NOT that complicated. Vince Lombardi said it best..."winning isn't everything....its the ONLY thing". Coaches get the credit when they win and get the blame when they loose, it comes with the territory.

Besides, Steve & I agree on this one....so that has got to make it right!

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 05:01 PM

QUOTE(Robert Giacometti @ Dec 15 2006, 04:16 PM) View Post
I didn't see last nights game so I don't know the circumstances.

I was watching Rams game and Nolan kicked the field goal instead of going for it and the 9ers lost the game. It really doesn't matter who is saying what....the one thing we all know is the 9ers LOST! I always thought you played the game to win. We all know the old saying about opinon's.....but that doesn't change the fact the 9ers LOST.

IF the 9ers stop the Rams after the field goal, then Nolan made the right choice. The 9ers didn't stop them so he made the wrong choice, its NOT that complicated. Vince Lombardi said it best..."winning isn't everything....its the ONLY thing". Coaches get the credit when they win and get the blame when they loose, it comes with the territory.

Besides, Steve & I agree on this one....so that has got to make it right!


I guess it is just a matter of coaching philosophy. Just like debates on politics or anything else, not everyone is going to agree with a certain decision. I would consider myself more of a conservative coach. I like to play ball control, defense, and force the opposition to go the length of the field. Much of my college years were spent playing Madden football on the PS1. While my buddies were always going for it on 4th down, I was the guy making the smart decision to kick a field goal or punt.
For us die hard niner fans it could turn out to be a long off-season as the "to kick it, or not to kick it" may end up costing us the NFC West.

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE(B&G @ Dec 15 2006, 05:01 PM) View Post
I guess it is just a matter of coaching philosophy. Just like debates on politics or anything else, not everyone is going to agree with a certain decision. I would consider myself more of a conservative coach. I like to play ball control, defense, and force the opposition to go the length of the field. Much of my college years were spent playing Madden football on the PS1. While my buddies were always going for it on 4th down, I was the guy making the smart decision to kick a field goal or punt.
For us die hard niner fans it could turn out to be a long off-season as the "to kick it, or not to kick it" may end up costing us the NFC West.


I'm more of a calculated risk taker.

Even if the 9ers did win that one, they've been so inconsistent, they don't deserve to wint he division, and odds are pretty good that they wouldn't get past the first quarter of the first game.

The've played too poorly in too many games in too many situations.

There is much hope for the future, however, as we have some young talent developing. Smith is getting there, Gore is already there (needs work on hanging on to the ball), secondary is improving each game. Need to put more pressure on the quarterback, and maybe a shiny new linebacker or two. Okay, they need a lot of work, but they'll get there.

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#69 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 09:17 PM

The 9ers are showing some promise, but they definitely need some help. A monster defensive lineman and a stud linebacker, so they can put some pressure on others could put them over the hump. Everyone's DB's seem to be better when the other QB is on his back with a 325 lber laying on him. The offense should get better playing together this year.

Even if they don't kick it against the Rams and win the game and then win the division, as Steve says they aint going anywhere so this way they may get a better draft choice and be a true contender next year.

A couple of thoughts on why I felt Nolan should have gone for it rather than kick the field goal. I thought I heard where Bulger has had 11 2minute or less winning TD drives in his career to that point. If Nolan knew that after the field goal when the Rams got the ball back, they were going into their prevent defense, then the 9ers were playing right into Bulgers strengths and should have never given up the ball. There was over 3 1/2 minutes left, way too much time for a good & experienced QB to work their way downfield. If there was a minute or less left then kicking the field goal was a no brainer, IMHO. Realistically the 9ers were playing about as good as they could defensively up to that point, but they just don't have the athletes on the defensive side or the experience to play a prevent for 3 1/2 minutes and stop the other team. When they went into the prevent the dynamics and momentum changed and they lost.

I agree there are different philosophies in football and they work differently depending on the personnel. Politics on the other hand is impossible!

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 09:56 AM

QUOTE(Robert Giacometti @ Dec 15 2006, 09:17 PM) View Post
The 9ers are showing some promise, but they definitely need some help. A monster defensive lineman and a stud linebacker, so they can put some pressure on others could put them over the hump. Everyone's DB's seem to be better when the other QB is on his back with a 325 lber laying on him. The offense should get better playing together this year.

Even if they don't kick it against the Rams and win the game and then win the division, as Steve says they aint going anywhere so this way they may get a better draft choice and be a true contender next year.

A couple of thoughts on why I felt Nolan should have gone for it rather than kick the field goal. I thought I heard where Bulger has had 11 2minute or less winning TD drives in his career to that point. If Nolan knew that after the field goal when the Rams got the ball back, they were going into their prevent defense, then the 9ers were playing right into Bulgers strengths and should have never given up the ball. There was over 3 1/2 minutes left, way too much time for a good & experienced QB to work their way downfield. If there was a minute or less left then kicking the field goal was a no brainer, IMHO. Realistically the 9ers were playing about as good as they could defensively up to that point, but they just don't have the athletes on the defensive side or the experience to play a prevent for 3 1/2 minutes and stop the other team. When they went into the prevent the dynamics and momentum changed and they lost.

I agree there are different philosophies in football and they work differently depending on the personnel. Politics on the other hand is impossible!


I have no respect for any 49er fan that says a loss is good so that we get a higher draft pick. If you think that way then go find another team...the faithful don't need you or want you.

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Posted 24 December 2006 - 10:55 PM

Bad way to give away a chance at the divsion title... a loss to the Cardinals!

Pretty pathetic. Too bad... it would have made next weeks game that more interesting to watch!

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Posted 01 January 2007 - 08:07 AM

QUOTE(DrKoz23 @ Dec 24 2006, 10:55 PM) View Post
Bad way to give away a chance at the divsion title... a loss to the Cardinals!

Pretty pathetic. Too bad... it would have made next weeks game that more interesting to watch!

Nice way to end the season with a win at Denver to knock them out of the post-season. Imagine the possibilities if we had played consistent all season. I look for the niners to go defense through the draft, dump Antonio "T.O. Jr" Bryant", and replace him with a quality, reliable, deep threat type receiver.

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Posted 01 January 2007 - 06:21 PM

Count me as one of those who were surprised the 9ers won yesterday! They are on the right track and with a couple of key additions CAN make the playoffs next season. The problem will be MOST of the teams in their division will also be getting better.

Did anyone see B.Y. 's comments in the paper on how the season changed after loosing the game against the Rams?

IMHO, they need a D.E. who creates havoc as a pass rusher ( doesn't every team out of the playoffs)and a big possesion type receiver and a reliable deep threat to stretch the defense.





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