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[supermom]

Cops driving around this weekend stopping teens who were walking on a sidewalk from a park they were leaving, forced them at threat of taking their guns out at the kids and told them to stand and wait while they called another police car to come by with a witness to a "crime" that had happened in the area. 

 

They would not allow the teens to leave. They insisted the kids tell them where they live and who their frineds, were, what their address was, what school they go to. They wanted to know what their parents do for a living. They did not have a reason to arrest them or detain them other than they were teens. 

 

This incident happened at 830 ish 9pm. 

 

This is your tax dollars at work-- breaking the civil rights of children in your town. This is not tolerable. Burn the cop shop to the ground if they get qualified people to run it.

 

The cops need to be fired and so does the city chief. 

 

Get them out of here before a kid gets shot.

 

 

[Terry]

You answered your own question - they stopped these "persons of interest" because of a crime in the area.  As someone who respects the property of my neighbors, I would guess that a Folsom resident reported an incident in the area to police, and police responded, saw these teens in the area and stopped to ask them what they were up to.   If you weren't there, you don't know exactly what was said, to whom, or what the teens' responses were.  I'm also assuming the teens didn't have identification on them with which officers to check their identities/possible criminal records.  As I've posted before, I have always supported Folsom PD, and had my own poor experience with them during an investigation against our property, but unless you were there, you DON'T KNOW for sure what the conversations were.

[supermom]

Wrong-- you cant just go and stop any adult male you see when cops have been told an adult male suspect is in the area. 

 

The cops took advantage of the fact they were kids and badly misrepresented the law and the police department with their behavior, and how they treated those kids during the conversation.

[ducky]

Supermom, which park were they leaving?  There wouldn't be any curfew issue if they were under 18 because it was before 10:30 p.m., but I believe most city parks close at dusk.  If it happened at 8:30 or 9:00-ish that would be well after dark. 

 

Cops driving around this weekend stopping teens who were walking on a sidewalk from a park they were leaving, forced them at threat of taking their guns out at the kids and told them to stand and wait while they called another police car to come by with a witness to a "crime" that had happened in the area. 

 

They would not allow the teens to leave. They insisted the kids tell them where they live and who their frineds, were, what their address was, what school they go to. They wanted to know what their parents do for a living. They did not have a reason to arrest them or detain them other than they were teens. 

 

This incident happened at 830 ish 9pm. 

 

This is your tax dollars at work-- breaking the civil rights of children in your town. This is not tolerable. Burn the cop shop to the ground if they get qualified people to run it.

 

The cops need to be fired and so does the city chief. 

 

Get them out of here before a kid gets shot.

 

 

[nomad]

Cops driving around this weekend stopping teens who were walking on a sidewalk from a park they were leaving, forced them at threat of taking their guns out at the kids and told them to stand and wait while they called another police car to come by with a witness to a "crime" that had happened in the area. 

 

They would not allow the teens to leave. They insisted the kids tell them where they live and who their frineds, were, what their address was, what school they go to. They wanted to know what their parents do for a living. They did not have a reason to arrest them or detain them other than they were teens. 

 

This incident happened at 830 ish 9pm. 

 

This is your tax dollars at work-- breaking the civil rights of children in your town. This is not tolerable. Burn the cop shop to the ground if they get qualified people to run it.

 

The cops need to be fired and so does the city chief. 

 

Get them out of here before a kid gets shot.

 

 

 

Harsh words from someone who is always on the side of the "coppers."

[Chris]

This happened to me many times back in the 70's and 80's.....   You get used to it.   Some cops treat you badly and some were ok.....   Just keep your mouth shut, no sudden moves, don't give them lip and you are on your way with a warning or at worst told to "get out of town".   Even hassled in my car because it looked like the other car with the idiots in it but they thought it was me and my friends.   You only get shot when you fight back or do something really stupid.  Mouth shut, comply with their orders, live another day and be on your way, simple as that.  Worst things were "fix it tickets" given out in spite by them for some bull s---t thing.  Chris

[mac_convert]

Cops driving around this weekend stopping teens who were walking on a sidewalk from a park they were leaving, forced them at threat of taking their guns out at the kids and told them to stand and wait while they called another police car to come by with a witness to a "crime" that had happened in the area. 

 

They would not allow the teens to leave. They insisted the kids tell them where they live and who their frineds, were, what their address was, what school they go to. They wanted to know what their parents do for a living. They did not have a reason to arrest them or detain them other than they were teens. 

 

This incident happened at 830 ish 9pm. 

 

This is your tax dollars at work-- breaking the civil rights of children in your town. This is not tolerable. Burn the cop shop to the ground if they get qualified people to run it.

 

The cops need to be fired and so does the city chief. 

 

Get them out of here before a kid gets shot.

 

 

Other than the asking what the kids' parents did for a living, not sure why that matters to them, I don't see problem with stopping a group of kids who should not have been at the park after dark and were in the area of where a crime took place. I am glad the law enforcement I am helping to pay for is out trying to keep the peace and investigate areas where crime is occurring or has occurred. 

[supermom]

so if you were just outside strolling around and cops stopped you, demanded to know who you are and insisted you stand around wait for a witness to acrime you have idea if it was even real-- you dont see that as illegal detainment or even harrassment?

 

Good to know.

Becuase when you give up your rights so easily you cant complain when they take it a next step further.

 

Being a teenager on a sidewalk is not a reason to stop them. There is no probable cause. 

Those three cops need to be fired. 

They should be building up the trust of the people in a small neighborhood, not harrassing the s--- out of them. 

 

And any of you who don't have a huge funking problem with cops talking to your kids while they have their hands on their guns, has got a screw loose.

[ducky]

so if you were just outside strolling around and cops stopped you, demanded to know who you are and insisted you stand around wait for a witness to acrime you have idea if it was even real-- you dont see that as illegal detainment or even harrassment?

 

Good to know.

Becuase when you give up your rights so easily you cant complain when they take it a next step further.

 

Being a teenager on a sidewalk is not a reason to stop them. There is no probable cause. 

Those three cops need to be fired. 

They should be building up the trust of the people in a small neighborhood, not harrassing the s--- out of them. 

 

And any of you who don't have a huge funking problem with cops talking to your kids while they have their hands on their guns, has got a screw loose.

 

Why do you automatically assume it wasn't real and there was no reason to detain the teens?

I'd have more of a problem if the cops drove past a group of teens that fit the description of suspects in the area that had committed a crime.

 

I agree that a young person walking on a sidewalk is not a reason to stop them.  One young man in our neighborhood used to get stopped a lot for a while because he walked to his job at a local coffeehouse in the early a.m. before the sun was out.  He'd wear a hoodie with the hood up because it was usually cold.  The police finally got to know that's just so-and-so on his way to work.  I'm sure it was annoying, but they were just doing their job.  There had been overnight thefts such as items taken out of people's cars in the neighborhood at the time.

 

As for having their hands on their guns, yes, that is alarming.  I'd be questioning my teen at what point and what was he doing exactly when that happened.  I'd be making sure he and his friends were cooperating fully with what the officers were asking them to do.  If I were fully satisfied he wasn't exaggerating, I'd go to the chief of police and state my concerns.  

[Rich_T]

Sounds like good police work to me, and the rest is projection on your part.

[Howdy]

You have to remember we are only getting half the story. Maybe not even that much considering the OP wan't even there and it was just relayed to her. There is truth in there somewhere, just not quite sure where it is and how bad it really was. I have had 4 interactions with Folsom PD over the last 17 years. Two guys were cool and the lady and other guy were power tripping d-bags. The one jerk pulled me over on the freeway late one night. We both left downtown Sacramento. Me from work and him from probably dropping someone off at the main jail. We basically paralleled each other up Hwy 50 until we hit the Hazel exit. He backed off the gas and let me pass, got behind me and pulled me over. He proceeded to rip me a new one about not respecting him and passing him. Though I would not have passed him if he did not get out of the throttle. When I brought that to his attention it just ramped up his rage.   How dare I go down the freeway the same speed as him!  After 7 minutes of listening to his tirade and running my license he cut me loose. Police work at it finest. 

[Chris]

Hey Supermom, I was at a beach once going to my minivan parked by the side of the road.  Cops stopped me just as we were getting back to my van, made me stand there for almost an hour by my van because some lady got flashed by some perv right by my van, looked like me supposedly....?  Hard part was that I had a six month old and a two year old with me and my wife......    Had to stand there for an anonymous drive by of the "victim".   One cop was ok, the other was an Aaahole.......  It happens, that is how they do their jobs.  Sometimes you are inconvenienced and offended in life....   Get over it and move on.  Chris

[Steve Heard]

If I had a dollar for every time I was detained by the cops in my youth...

 

One thing I learned was to be polite, answer their questions, and remain calm.

[TruthSeeker]

so if you were just outside strolling around and cops stopped you, demanded to know who you are and insisted you stand around wait for a witness to acrime you have idea if it was even real-- you dont see that as illegal detainment or even harrassment?

 

Good to know.

Becuase when you give up your rights so easily you cant complain when they take it a next step further.

 

Being a teenager on a sidewalk is not a reason to stop them. There is no probable cause. 

Those three cops need to be fired. 

They should be building up the trust of the people in a small neighborhood, not harrassing the s--- out of them. 

 

And any of you who don't have a huge funking problem with cops talking to your kids while they have their hands on their guns, has got a screw loose.

 

As Terry noted, they were "persons of interest" because of a crime in the area.  Pretty easy to understand IMO.

 

Were the kids harmed in any way whatsoever?,  other then having to wait until things were cleared up?

Are you telling us they were bullied by the police? 

 

I see this as more entitlement generation whining.

You might want to ask yourself why was your group of teenagers hanging out in a park in the dark after 9pm? It does cause suspicions.

I know when I was a teen hanging out at a park at 9pm I sure as heck wasn't playing hop-scotch or doing bible study. 

 

 

 

Michael Brown as called a "kid" too.

[SacKen]

Cops driving around this weekend stopping teens who were walking on a sidewalk from a park they were leaving, forced them at threat of taking their guns out at the kids and told them to stand and wait while they called another police car to come by with a witness to a "crime" that had happened in the area. 

 

They would not allow the teens to leave. They insisted the kids tell them where they live and who their frineds, were, what their address was, what school they go to. They wanted to know what their parents do for a living. They did not have a reason to arrest them or detain them other than they were teens. 

 

This incident happened at 830 ish 9pm. 

 

This is your tax dollars at work-- breaking the civil rights of children in your town. This is not tolerable. Burn the cop shop to the ground if they get qualified people to run it.

 

The cops need to be fired and so does the city chief. 

 

Get them out of here before a kid gets shot.

 

 

 

Obviously, we don't know all the details.  I fail to see in your description where civil rights were violated and anything that warrants "burning the cop shop to the ground" and firing everyone.  I also don't understand why you say that they had no reason to detain them other than them being teens since you also stated that there was a crime nearby and a witness to that crime.

 

If they were walking near the scene of the crime, especially if they were going away from that scene or seem out of place, and fit the description that the victim provided and it is reasonably possible that they could be the person they are looking for, then probable cause is usually met and no civil rights were violated just because they were detained long enough to get an id from the victim.

 

Unless you know what the crime was and where it occurred, I don't see how you can claim for sure that this was not a valid stop.  Given that the cops were a little jumpy, I'm guessing that it was a violent crime of some sort or a weapon was involved and not some graffiti at the park.

 

If you don't want your kids to get shot, teach them the proper way to behave in that situation so they don't freak out an officer that is already a little on edge.