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#31 supermom

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 02:36 PM

QUOTE(ducky @ Feb 8 2008, 12:04 PM) View Post
What?? We have to do the servants' quarters, too? You mean a piece of blue construction paper isn't good enough to pass for fake fountain water? If you're setting the bar that high, supermom, you're making the rest of us moms look bad.

I'm thinking of having the kid slap some stucco patch onto cardboard, which I will then help assemble and add to my collection of glue gun scars. The hardest part of this project will probably be getting it to school in one piece.

Ducky, what mission is your kid doing?

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 02:37 PM

My daughter was in the fourth grade last year at Goldridge, and she did not have this project.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 02:40 PM

Back on topic. This is a fascinating arugment regarding the Kids + the amount of Homework, The quality vs quantity.

I have always wondered what the habitsin India, Japan and Sweden are? Those countries consistently are amonth the top 10 in theo world. Here is an interesting artcle from 5 years ago:

http://www.brookings...31001brown.aspx


and from the article above, another great refernce for parents:

http://www.brookings.edu/brown.aspx


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Posted 08 February 2008 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE(palango @ Feb 8 2008, 02:40 PM) View Post
Here is an interesting artcle from 5 years ago:

http://www.brookings...31001brown.aspx


Only a third of 17 year olds spend an hour or more each day? Geez, I had an hour of homework in EACH CLASS by the time I was 17!
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE(palango @ Feb 8 2008, 02:40 PM) View Post
Back on topic. This is a fascinating arugment regarding the Kids + the amount of Homework, The quality vs quantity.

I have always wondered what the habitsin India, Japan and Sweden are? Those countries consistently are amonth the top 10 in theo world. Here is an interesting artcle from 5 years ago:

http://www.brookings...31001brown.aspx
and from the article above, another great refernce for parents:

http://www.brookings.edu/brown.aspx

Try something a little more updated: http://www.physorg.com/news4333.html

or this: http://www.aboutkids...oryID=news-poh2

or this: http://books.google....bLh8w#PPA121,M1


Overwhelmingly it shows that the more drivel given to students the worse it is for giving the kids.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:00 PM

QUOTE(ducky @ Feb 8 2008, 07:12 AM) View Post
I can precisely intellectualize the subject quandary you are conveying. I call it edu-speak.

I don't blame the teachers. It probably comes down from administration. I think it is meant to make parents feel inferior so they may never question the education establishment. tongue.gif

I also think more than an hour of homework that is exclusive of reading time is too much for a first grader. I wouldn't skimp on the reading time in the younger grades.

I thought that 1-3 grades are only supposed to have 20-30 minutes of homework a night?
My fourth grader is supposed to be able to finish his himework in 30-45 minutes a night ( plus the 30 minute reading )
but he is challenged to tearful, fall apart misery every night.

Therefore, lately he sits at the table until bedtime. **shrug***

I got a stubborn boy.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:17 PM

My MAJOR assumption is that the educational system in Korea, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, etc. is so much better while the kids are actually AT school (more qualifies teachers, better curriculim, better pay), that by the time the kids come home, they either don't need homework or have less.

I read a story a few years back that ranked California towards THE BOTTOM in the ENTIRE US when it comes to education. It was so hard to believe that the 8th largest economy in the world would have such a poor track record. Funding mechnisms, in ADDITION to the Regular taxes, Lotterey funds, Casino shares, Propositions, school bonds, and Melloo Roos have doen very little to rank CA on the top.

I have no idea what the solution is, but I KNOW that India, Sweden, Japan are doing something right.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:20 PM

QUOTE(sat @ Feb 8 2008, 02:37 PM) View Post
My daughter was in the fourth grade last year at Goldridge, and she did not have this project.


I was wondering...

My daughter is 4th grade at GR and we haven't heard a word on it.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:25 PM

QUOTE(palango @ Feb 8 2008, 03:17 PM) View Post
My MAJOR assumption is that the educational system in Korea, Singapore, Japan, Sweden, etc. is so much better while the kids are actually AT school (more qualifies teachers, better curriculim, better pay), that by the time the kids come home, they either don't need homework or have less.

I read a story a few years back that ranked California towards THE BOTTOM in the ENTIRE US when it comes to education. It was so hard to believe that the 8th largest economy in the world would have such a poor track record. Funding mechnisms, in ADDITION to the Regular taxes, Lotterey funds, Casino shares, Propositions, school bonds, and Melloo Roos have doen very little to rank CA on the top.

I have no idea what the solution is, but I KNOW that India, Sweden, Japan are doing something right.

Well, the article also says that singapore gives an average of 5 hours of homework in Just math every week. However, they also go on to say that Singapores math grades/ratio has been dropping.

Apparently all work and no play for too many years and those students are falling apart. Just like in Japan.
In South Korea--I've seen a bit of their education system---They do not report those with poor grades--most females and those in private schools. That is about 1/2 the country. They are the most corrupt country I've ever seen.

Pretty much the same thing in India--from what I've heard--though I've never been there.

uhhh---where was I--oh, right we were trying to compare the state school levels across the board and yet the Americans are just about the only ones who actually grade all their students regardless of race, gender, religion.......

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:29 PM

actually, I can tell you from my experience that the stuff they learn in India in HIGH School is what we learn here in Advance College. (Mainly Math and Science).

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE(supermom @ Feb 8 2008, 02:36 PM) View Post
Ducky, what mission is your kid doing?


Why? Have you got black market, underground mom blueprints?

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 10:57 PM

The deal is.....get your children in the right frame of mind early and school will become a breeze for them.....let the flail hopelessly in the wind, and you will pay for it later. Ever wonder why kids nowadays seem to be lazy and lethargic? Because their parents were brought up like that and now have passed it onto their kids!!!!! Parents don't spank their kids anymore. They don't ground them. They want to be best friends with their kids instead of being parents. I can't wait to hear the defending points of view on this one......

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:21 AM

QUOTE(palango @ Feb 8 2008, 03:29 PM) View Post
actually, I can tell you from my experience that the stuff they learn in India in HIGH School is what we learn here in Advance College. (Mainly Math and Science).


The main drawback to all that "super" education is these folks (mainly Indian from my experience) are very book smart but are really lacking in creativity and just plain problem solving. At Intel the group in India is very well educated but they are so by the book it really limits them to be efficient and solve problems in a timely manner. Mayber they need to build more Missions or take an Art class.

So, although the stats may look good as to the education level, just cramming tons of math and science into a person doesn't necessarily make them a better problem solver.
...Saying what people are thinking but are afraid to say....

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 08:29 AM

QUOTE(Darthvader @ Feb 9 2008, 12:21 AM) View Post
The main drawback to all that "super" education is these folks (mainly Indian from my experience) are very book smart but are really lacking in creativity and just plain problem solving. At Intel the group in India is very well educated but they are so by the book it really limits them to be efficient and solve problems in a timely manner. Mayber they need to build more Missions or take an Art class.

So, although the stats may look good as to the education level, just cramming tons of math and science into a person doesn't necessarily make them a better problem solver.


So true. Being able to apply all that book smart is something these people can't do. They can quote stuff and recite equations but can't use it in the real world. I never went to college and work as a mechanical engineer. We have guys at work with full blown degrees that can tell you all about the stuff but when it comes down to designing things they don't have the first clue. It's kind of funny when they come to me for help and then they find out I don't have a degree. ohmy.gif

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 09:17 AM

Two words for some of you, "HELICOPTER PARENTS!" Please don't tow the road and "do"most of your child's project...It takes away from your child's competency and creates a standard that is not achievable without buying all the crap at Michaels...How sick is that a corporation actually has a section at their store for 4th grade missions...Maybe we should just have all the stores get the curriculum and provide it for the schools....How bad is Ca. curriculum if every student has to make a mission..Cookie cutter education is the Mcdonaldization of our country...Go anywhere and get the same mono unchallenging educational atmosphere.......Ughh!
BTW, we live . close to INtel and you would think every child could have a laptop supplied by the company at a discount...It seems like only the poor districts get this kind of technology...I recently found out a dirty little secret about school districts...The lower performing schools actually get more funding per student and the students get more academic goodies that you would think communities such as Folsom would receive..In Rancho Cordova, some of the classes have tablets that you write on and it translates the work to a laptop....Nice if you know how to utilize the technology....It's seems like in Sacramento if you do worse on your test scores you get more money per student...WHat about the high achieving schools? Shouldn't they get rewarded for their achievements with some new laptops or some kind of kudos...Just a thought...
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