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[GrumpyOldGuy]

Joe - 

 

1)  Nothing is "copy & paste".  I am the original author of the post.

 

2)  References to support the effects of Sea Level Rise on military installations:

 

http://www.ucsusa.or...ive-summary.pdf

http://www.ucsusa.or...ey-findings.pdf

http://www.ucsusa.or...methodology.pdf

 

3)  References to support House Armed Services Committee makeup:

 

U.S. Constitution, Art I, Sec 7, http://www.archives....transcript.html

https://en.wikipedia..._Armed_Services

http://grist.org/cli...change-deniers/

http://billmoyers.co...limate-deniers/

 

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IPCC AR4, Glossary P-Z: "Projection", in IPCC AR4 WG1 2007.

 

 Morita et al., Chap. 2: Greenhouse Gas Emission Mitigation Scenarios and Implications, Section 2.2.1: Introduction to Scenarios, in IPCC TAR WG3 2001.

IPCC, Topic 3, Section 3.2.1: 21st century global changes, p. 45, in IPCC AR4 SYR 2007.

 

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I believe this covers everything mentioned in my post.

[2 Aces]

The entire global warming thing is a TOTAL FRAUD perpetrated by:

 

1) Leftist politicians who seek more power and control over us.
2) The dishonest and corrupt "scientists" who are *bribed* by the power-hungry Leftist politicians.
3) The cult-like, "sky is falling", global warming believers/alarmists.

 

How do I know this? It's simple. All you have to do is *follow the money*, as demonstrated in the illustration below.

 

Pretty basic, folks. Don't buy into the FRAUD - HOAX - LIE - SCAM of climate change. They have a political, financial, and power-grab agenda. You're supposed to see thru the BS.

 

Remember, liars lie. That's who they are. That's what they do.

 

And beware of people who *cut & paste* the IDENTICAL global warming "sky is falling" stuff, complete with cut & paste "references" that have been floating around on the internet for years. They are as credible as the *Nigerian Prince* that wants to give you $5 million. They are scammers.  FOLLOW THE MONEY !!

 

 

[The Average Joe]

Nice spamming. Of course I'm not going to read all those sources just to throw some common sense into this. I did read a couple though. Lot's of words like "could" and "might"

 

We know the sea is rising. So what? In my lifetime it has risen about 9 inches. In the last 100 years it has risen nearly a foot and a half. So what? The ports, roads, houses, etc have adapted over that long time span. In the NEXT 100 years, the oceans will likely continue to rise at the same rate (or as much as double that depending on how you parse the data) So another 1.5 to 3 feet in 100 years. Big deal. The lifespan of infrastructure like ports, airports, highways and the like is only 50-70 years until complete overhaul (with regular maintenance and major repairs). So we rebuilt them adapted for the higher sea level...just like folks have been doing for the last 6,000 years. So we rebuild the affected coastal infrastructure over a period of 100 years..Ohhh! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Yes, the sky is indeed falling.  The primary reason is our elected officials, who control policy and purse strings, are impeding efforts to adapt critical military facilities to the climate changes that are occurring now.  Mac Thornberry is the House Armed Services Committee chairman, and he stated on the House floor that the best solution to dealing with the effects of climate change is prayer.  Are...you...kidding...me??

[2 Aces]

Why do YOU care about military facilities? The goal of leftists such as yourself is to decimate our military to the point of sheer ineffectiveness. And it's happening as we speak.

You people have some weird death wish. You don't give a damn about the military. You only care about your fraudulent climate agenda. Nice try, troll.
 
 

[Chris]

Just realized GOG said he was no longer posting here on another thread. Censorship issues? I hope he reconsiders. I enjoyed his input despite his being taken in on all this Climate Change blah..Not sure what happened exactly but shake it off GOG..It's just an internet forum and each place has it's rules and personalities controlling them..Leaving is like giving in. Stay and fight for your views bro. I do know censorship can be very frustrating though. Just go back to the drawing board.

Well said Trails....!

[2 Aces]

Just remember folks, when the Ice Age ended thousands of years ago, there were no *man-made* SUVs, industries, etc, to contribute to that. Don't be snookered by the constant BS coming from the climate scammers, liars, and leftists. Most of you won't fall for that nonsense. You're smarter than that, right?