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#1 swmr545

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Posted 31 August 2005 - 03:48 PM

At what age should a child have a cell phone?

At the local elementary school I volunteer at I've seen students as young as second grade walking to the sidewalk with their cell phones asking their mom or dad where they were and why they weren't there yet.

Also, I've been noticing more and more that younger children are disregarding the practice or showing respect to adults and their peers. When these children are diciplined for this (either by me or another supervisor) we're immediately repremanded by their parent saying "little susy didn't know better". But if she's not being diciplined for her actions, how will she ever know?

I was at Borders and a girl (around 8) told her mom to "F**k off" (her actual words) and the mom listened and apologized. I just find this shocking that a parent wouldn't scold their own child for using such language at such an early age.

Anyone else experience anything like this?
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Posted 31 August 2005 - 04:01 PM

That is appaling!!If my daughter EVER said that to me...I would take her to the nearest restroom and stick some soap in her mouth!

I have noticed this...they have no regard for elders...


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Posted 31 August 2005 - 07:28 PM

little kids do have pretty big mouths these days, ive definatly noticed that.

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 06:13 AM

I just bought a Mr. Potatohead set for my daughter and one of the hands has a cell phone in it.

If my kid ever told me to FO I would be upside her head so fast, she wouldn't know what hit her.
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 07:28 AM

its kind of scary to think that these kids represent the next generation of leadership and are being molded by parents that just don't get it.

I like the soap in the mouth idea, thought that went out when I was growing up. It sure worked with my sister. I was too scared of spankings to have much of a mouth.

I liked the idea of telling a kid they earned a spanking and send them out in the woods to cut the swiitch that was going to be used. It usually resulted in a rather thin switch but my dad told me the real punishment was in the selection and I agree today.

cell phones for kids is foolish, but its monkey see monkey do again. the only good thing is they instant message and run up a big phone bill that has to be paid by the stupid parent.

just had a pleasant thought, the good lord will have taken me long before these little snots take over...

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 07:45 AM

QUOTE(old soldier @ Sep 1 2005, 07:28 AM)


I like the soap in the mouth idea, thought that went out when I was growing up.  It sure worked with my sister.  I was too scared of spankings to have much of a mouth.




I works! I admit I have done it...My 4 yo was having 2 issues...lying (about stupid stuff such as cleaning her room) and back talk (with a snotty undertone)...
I would first give her a few warnings, then if she continued, I would put dish soap on my finger and rub it in her mouth...You bet the snot-iness & lying stopped! Some may think it's harsh, but I think it is better than spanking her.

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 07:52 AM

QUOTE(swmr545 @ Aug 31 2005, 03:48 PM)
At what age should a child have a cell phone?

At the local elementary school I volunteer at I've seen students as young as second grade walking to the sidewalk with their cell phones asking their mom or dad where they were and why they weren't there yet.

Also, I've been noticing more and more that younger children are disregarding the practice or showing respect to adults and their peers.  When these children are diciplined for this (either by me or another supervisor) we're immediately repremanded by their parent saying "little susy didn't know better".  But if she's not being diciplined for her actions, how will she ever know?

I was at Borders and a girl (around 8) told her mom to "F**k off" (her actual words) and the mom listened and apologized.  I just find this shocking that a parent wouldn't scold their own child for using such language at such an early age.

Anyone else experience anything like this?

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That is terrible - I think a disrespectful child like that is the result of being spoiled rotten and from lack of parenting - the parent "pays" their kid with gifts not to bother them or brushes them off...I see it all the time around here.... it seems to me that the rich spoiled kids are the worse - in fact I don't even want my kids hanging out with any of them they are so bad. I place the blame entirely on those parents who seemed to only have kids cause it was the "in" thing or they wanted to keep up with the joneses - they didn't have their child out of love - they had one to have as an accessory.

As for cell phones - that is seriously stupid to give any young child a cell phone....mine asked for them so much and I always said no - until they go to their teens then I got them a phone that they are only to use to contact us in case of emergencies, if they need to talk to friends, they can do it on the home phone and besides, cell phones should not be allowed at schools anyways - they are a distraction.

The parent who gave a 2nd grader a phone IMO must be a complete idiot and look at how that kid was talking to their parent...thats shameful and they should be embarrased that their kid is turning out to be a brat like that.

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:12 AM

QUOTE(swmr545 @ Aug 31 2005, 03:48 PM)
I was at Borders and a girl (around 8) told her mom to "F**k off" (her actual words) and the mom listened and apologized.  I just find this shocking that a parent wouldn't scold their own child for using such language at such an early age.

Anyone else experience anything like this?

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WOW! Hopefully my children will never even get to a point where something like this crosses their minds, much less goes out their mouths. I was trained by my stepfather to never, ever disrespect my parents and that is something I am so thankful for. When I was a kid, having my parents' disapproval was worse than physical punishment...then again, it appears that some kids these days have no shame. Luckily, from the postings on this board, it appears that these kids are in the minority...
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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:14 AM

QUOTE(davburr @ Sep 1 2005, 07:52 AM)
That is terrible - I think a disrespectful child like that is the result of being spoiled rotten and from lack of parenting - the parent "pays" their kid with gifts not to bother them or brushes them off...I see it all the time around here.... it seems to me that the rich spoiled kids are the worse - in fact I don't even want my kids hanging out with any of them they are so bad.    I place the blame entirely on those parents who seemed to only have kids cause it was the "in" thing or they wanted to keep up with the joneses - they didn't have their child out of love - they had one to have as an accessory.

As for cell phones - that is seriously stupid to give any young child a cell phone....mine asked for them so much and I always said no - until they go to their teens then I got them a phone that they are only to use to contact us in case of emergencies, if they need to talk to friends, they can do it on the home phone and besides, cell phones should not be allowed at schools anyways - they are a distraction.

The parent who gave a 2nd grader a phone IMO must be a complete idiot and look at how that kid was talking to their parent...thats shameful and they should be embarrased that their kid is turning out to be a brat like that.

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I have allowed my kids to say certain things to me that I never would have said to my parents, but F off isn't one of them. That would cost them a few parts.

I got my eldest daughter a cell phone when she was 15. It is a great tool for reaching, checking in, etc. Of course kids quickly learn that cell phone batteries die and coverage is bad, so you might get those as excuses. "Come where? I can't hear you Daddy. You're breaking up! I'll call you later!"

Then you've got to set the 'use ANY phone' rule, and threaten to take the cellie away.



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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:30 AM

This is very sad to hear that kids in this country have no respect for their parents. I witness from time to time such disrespect.

QUOTE(swmr545 @ Aug 31 2005, 03:48 PM)


I was at Borders and a girl (around 8) told her mom to "F**k off" (her actual words) and the mom listened and apologized.  I just find this shocking that a parent wouldn't scold their own child for using such language at such an early age.

Anyone else experience anything like this?

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:32 AM

But I blame it on the parents for not properly teaching their kids. In my traditional Asian culture, these things would not happen.

QUOTE(Mommy2Sydni @ Aug 31 2005, 04:01 PM)

I have noticed this...they have no regard for elders...

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 08:33 AM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Sep 1 2005, 08:14 AM)
That would cost them a few parts.



Agreed on that point!!

As for cell phones, did you know that my son is the ONLY 13 year-old in the ENTIRE City of Folsom ( or is it the ENTIRE country) who does not have a cell phone?!! eek.gif

At this point, my husband and I don't think he has the need for a phone. We still bring him everywhere he needs to go. We coordinate drop-off and pick-up plans for his activities everyday, and he's had to learn to live with those plans. He is never in a place without access to a phone, even if it is a pay phone. As our son's activities change, and as he grows in responsibiity, we will reevaluate a cell phone.



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Posted 01 September 2005 - 10:17 AM

QUOTE(cybertrano @ Sep 1 2005, 09:32 AM)
But I blame it on the parents for not properly teaching their kids.  In my traditional Asian culture, these things would not happen.

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I also think that kids learn disrespectful habits from each other, and it's up to the parent to teach them otherwise.
I've noticed big improvement in my son after a year of Tae Kwon Do. Maybe it just brings up the opportunity to discuss and practice the whole concept of respect.

(My husband was so happy about our son's improved attitude that he rewarded him with his own cell phone after his last belt test. I thought he was a bit young, but so far he has followed our rules about it. Maybe it helps that it was privilege that he had to work hard to earn.)

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 10:24 AM

QUOTE(stevethedad @ Sep 1 2005, 08:14 AM)
I have allowed my kids to say certain things to me that I never would have said to my parents, but F off isn't one of them. That would cost them a few parts.

I got my eldest daughter a cell phone when she was 15. It is a great tool for reaching, checking in, etc. Of course kids quickly learn that cell phone batteries die and coverage is bad, so you might get those as excuses. "Come where? I can't hear you Daddy. You're breaking up! I'll call you later!"

Then you've got to set the 'use ANY phone' rule, and threaten to take the cellie away.

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Same here, my son and I joke around a lot but never ever would any of my kids dare say something bad like that kid did - especially in anger twords me - I think they know they would have heck to pay if they did that...plus the part I think is best is that they have and know all about respect and manners and so on.

I too got my son a cell when he was 15 and my daughter one at 12 for the same reasons...so they can call me for a ride, or in emergencies or if I take them somewhere I have them leave it on so I can call and check in occassionally - I fully believe cell phones are good for sensible reasons like that but they know to use the home phone for regular calls to friends and stuff. I got them those virgin mobile phones that you kinda "gas up" to use so they have limits on them.


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Posted 01 September 2005 - 10:27 AM

QUOTE(forumreader @ Sep 1 2005, 08:33 AM)
Agreed on that point!!

As for cell phones, did you know that my son is the ONLY 13 year-old in the ENTIRE City of Folsom ( or is it the ENTIRE country) who does not have a cell phone?!! eek.gif

At this point, my husband and I don't think he has the need for a phone.  We still bring him everywhere he needs to go.  We coordinate drop-off and pick-up plans for his activities everyday, and he's had to learn to live with those plans.  He is never in a place without access to a phone, even if it is a pay phone.  As our son's activities change, and as he grows in responsibiity, we will reevaluate a cell phone.

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That's funny! My youngest is the ONLY 12 year old in Folsom without a cell phone!

We are horrible parents.


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