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[Bakeman]

Where can one in Folsom who objects to the building of the Mosque for moral reasons or any other reason be heard? Where can a good conservative thinker protest the construction and infiltration? No matter how you may view the presence of Muslim people in this country, I have not yet heard one condemn the acts of terrorism against western civilization. This would make them the enemy and no less.

[Farley]

Where can one in Folsom who objects to the building of the Mosque for moral reasons or any other reason be heard? Where can a good conservative thinker protest the construction and infiltration? No matter how you may view the presence of Muslim people in this country, I have not yet heard one condemn the acts of terrorism against western civilization. This would make them the enemy and no less.

I find it difficult to believe an informed U.S. citizen has to ask where to be heard?

[Chad Vander Veen]

Where can one in Folsom who objects to the building of the Mosque for moral reasons or any other reason be heard? Where can a good conservative thinker protest the construction and infiltration? No matter how you may view the presence of Muslim people in this country, I have not yet heard one condemn the acts of terrorism against western civilization. This would make them the enemy and no less.

Well, right here is a place. You can protest at City Hall. You can gather signatures at Lowe's/Home Depot/wherever, you can stand on the corner of E. Bidwell and Blue Ravine and wave a giant protest sign...there are lots of ways.

[Bakeman]

Well, right here is a place. You can protest at City Hall. You can gather signatures at Lowe's/Home Depot/wherever, you can stand on the corner of E. Bidwell and Blue Ravine and wave a giant protest sign...there are lots of ways.

Thank you. I have always been a more "quiet" citizen going about my life with my wife and kids paying taxes and this subject has made me want to "do something." I guess my question should have been more direct. Are there any meetings or gatherings scheduled concerning this matter? I really feel like we are on the verge of what has happened in Great Brittain. We need to take a look as a people at thier mistakes and try to learn from them in order to prevent such an event.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

Where can one in Folsom who objects to the building of the Mosque for moral reasons or any other reason be heard? Where can a good conservative thinker protest the construction and infiltration? No matter how you may view the presence of Muslim people in this country, I have not yet heard one condemn the acts of terrorism against western civilization. This would make them the enemy and no less.

Muslims have been condemning terrorism, but perhaps these condemnations are falling on deaf ears. I've seen various clerics and Muslim leaders in the news speaking out against these acts since 9/11, yet the myth that they haven't continues to spread.

[Steve Heard]

Muslims have been condemning terrorism, but perhaps these condemnations are falling on deaf ears. I've seen various clerics and Muslim leaders in the news  speaking out against these acts since 9/11, yet the myth that they haven't continues to spread.

Agreed. I hear and see it all the time. There have been muslim rallies for peace, there have been declarations from Islamic leaders, and countless soundbites from muslims saying that they oppose terrorism and that it is not representative of Islam, yet I constantly hear the public saying that they don't.

I believe this mosque proposal was brought before the planning commission at one of their meetings, which are public, with posted agendas.

Muslims are here, they are meeting at the rotary club now, so preventing the mosque will not prevent Islam.

Now that you know muslims has condemned the acts of terrorism, does that change your mind about the mosque?

[Cloud9]

The answer to that last question Steve is... doubtful.

Some people prefer a simple life with simple rules about the world we live in. They will continue to deny that Muslim leaders are condeming these acts because it keeps their world simple.

[Farley]

Mosque Coming To Folsom -- Farley -- 5th July 2005 - 08:58 PM
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There has already been several pages of discussion on this topic on this forum. The discussion was closed by webmaster, but all the many posts are still available.

It is in the history under Folsom General Discussion....

[7-11]

You're right, Cloud. Complicated times and issues. Those who are informed know what's really going on. Yes, I am aware that the Muslim world has condemned the attacks. I am glad to see that, although if it is going to help remains to be seen.

[Chad Vander Veen]

The answer to that last question Steve is... doubtful. 

Some people prefer a simple life with simple rules about the world we live in.  They will continue to deny that Muslim leaders are condeming these acts because it keeps their world simple.

Could you maybe post some quaotes from Muslim leaders who condem terror?

[ngilbert]

Could you maybe post some quaotes from Muslim leaders who condem terror?

Apologies in advance for the long post

There was an interesting article in last week's Newsweek from Fareed Zakaria where he talked about this (i his story about the London bombings).

The full text is at http://www.msnbc.msn...#storyContinued

Page 2 of the article is interesting - talking about condemntation from international islamic groups of religious leaders:

"The response outside Britain has also been much stronger than ever before. The grand imam of Al-Azhar, Sheik Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi, condemned the bombers but went further, rejecting the argument that this attack could be justified as an attempt to force Britain out of Iraq. "This is illogical and cannot be the motive for killing innocent civilians," he said. More striking have been the condemnations from radical groups like Hamas, Hizbullah and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, all of which have denounced the bombings. Many of them have, of course, coupled their attacks on the terrorists with denunciations of American and British policies in the Middle East, particularly regarding Iraq and the Palestinian territories. But that kind of rhetoric is old news. What is new here is the fact that no one, not even Hamas, can continue to condone or even stay silent about these barbarities.

September 11 shocked the Arab psyche. For months afterward, Arabs and many Muslims went through phases recognizable to psychologists: shock, denial, anger. (Remember those absurd claims that 9/11 was a Mossad plot?) They are finally, slowly, moving toward recognizing that there is a great dysfunction in the world of Islam, which has allowed Muslims to concoct wild conspiracy theories, blame others for their problems and, worst of all, condone grotesque violence.

Now things are changing. The day before the London bombs, a conference of 180 top Muslim sheiks and imams, brought together under the auspices of Jordan's King Abdullah, issued a statement forbidding that any Muslim be declared takfir—an apostate. This is a frontal attack on Al Qaeda's theological methods. Declaring someone takfir—and thus sanctioning his or her death—is a favorite tactic of bin Laden and his ally in Iraq, Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi. The conference's statement was endorsed by 10 fatwas from such big conservative scholars as Tantawi; Iraq's Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani; Egypt's mufti, Ali Jumaa, and the influential Al-Jazeera TV-sheik, Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Signed by adherents of all schools of fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence), it also allows only qualified Muslim scholars to issue edicts. The Islamic Conference's statement, the first of its kind, is a rare show of unity among the religious establishment against terrorists and their scholarly allies."

[Chad Vander Veen]

Thanks ngilbert. I thought the response in Egypt was telling that maybe there is a thaw going on in the Muslim world, people are starting to get tired of terror.

[camay2327]

Bakeman,

There is a meeting of the Folsom City Council tomorrow evening (Tuesday) at city hall. The meeting starts at 6:30PM.

The meeting starts off with the Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem; they then approve the minutes of previous meetings, and then they have Business from the Floor.

Anybody can get up during business from the floor and you have 3 minutes to make your statement. When you get there fill out a blue card with your name and subject matter on it and take it to the front of the room.

You have your 3 minutes. Make your statement.

[folsom500]

Where can one in Folsom who objects to the building of the Mosque for moral reasons or any other reason be heard? Where can a good conservative thinker protest the construction and infiltration?

You can start with the President and work your way down from there. They have had a mosque in this city for Years and Years without complaint...

No matter how you may view the presence of Muslim people in this country, I have not yet heard one condemn the acts of terrorism against western civilization. This would make them the enemy and no less.

I beg to differ with you- in every case the general western muslim population and their leaders have condemned each and every attack and the general act of terrorism against non-muslims....
You just need to read a bit more....


Cheers
F500

[Gina99]

'I have not yet heard one condemn the acts of terrorism against western civilization. '

Where have you been getting (or not getting) your information about Muslim Americans and their reactions and feelings to terrorism?

I think the period to appeal the mosque has passed based on the SacBee article but I am curious as to what you think is morally wrong with a group of current Folsom and area citizens who are already practicing their religion building a new space where they can continue? Do you think they will be planning attacks or communicating with terrorists in the new Mosque?